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Posted 13 September 2013 - 05:23 PM

Well guys, no matter if it does not look like it: We are making progress, not so long ago some interested parties were denying that such a thing as climate change even existed. Now they are saying it is over...

so much for "density"

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 05:23 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 13 September 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

This is what scares all Socialists.  That Capitalism can save the planet and make a profit on it at the same time.  A true win-win scenario.

It would be nice to power the entire nation on hydroelectric power but our demands are too great.

We need the GE and Siemens Gas Turbine Power Plants.

Lockheed Martin introduced an entirely new power plant solution.

100 MW !



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 05:27 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 13 September 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Yeh, but that is besides the point, Enron has declared that GW is over, so it must be over. :innocent:
You make no sense.  Do you have a source?  AGW never existed, but GW/GC has always been the norm since before Man existed.  So having Enron or anyone else say that GW is over is pretty dumb.  Most AGW apologists will claim that GC is over and that is just as dumb.  We may get a bit warmer or we may get a bit cooler.  Itís hard to say.  But one thing is for sure and that is that it will do one or the other.


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 05:29 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 13 September 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

You make no sense.  Do you have a source?  AGW never existed, but GW/GC has always been the norm since before Man existed.  So having Enron or anyone else say that GW is over is pretty dumb.  Most AGW apologists will claim that GC is over and that is just as dumb.  We may get a bit warmer or we may get a bit cooler.  It's hard to say.  But one thing is for sure and that is that it will do one or the other.

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 05:38 PM

You have a strange sense of humor and an even stranger sense of what socialism in today's world is about.


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 05:55 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 September 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

I perceive natural gas as a "bridge fuel" while renewable non-Co2 emitting sources of electricity are developed and transportation becomes electric.
I would tend to agree with that.

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However, that is not because I think natural gas supplies are particularly limited but because prices of renewable energy are steadily coming down and will in maybe half a century become cheaper than anything else.
This would be key because every home could then lay dirt cheap solar cells on their property and plug it into the grid.  Wind and geo thermal will never really be mass feasible.  When we develop cheap fusion energy, then our need of fossil fuels will really dwindle.  But it wonít until we get to that point.  But as Iíve pointed out before, we are just a century or two from reaching a Type I civilization.  In short, that means that we will no longer be dependent on fossil fuels.  Itís just a matter of time and the sky is not going to fall down before then.  In three hundred years, they will be laughing at the AGW apologists in those quaint times just as we laugh at those that think the Earth was flat many years ago.

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That will be the real win-win, and I think we have at least half a century to achieve it so long as oil goes out of use in a major way more quickly.  Right now I would concentrate on the most serious sources of CO2 and not take such a purist position that if it contributes any CO2 it must be banned.
Our use of fossil fuels is on the way out anyway.  It wonít be abrupt but will reduce perhaps in spurts.  There will be people that will have need of fossil fuel to run vintage vehicles as a hobby.  We shouldnít worry about having to ban CO2.  The government is not needed.  Industry needs to be responsive to the consumer and present alternatives.  If everyone had an entrepreneurial type mindset and not a socialist one, we could easily reduce our footprint.  But as long as people feel that business or government is required to give us things, then we will continue to need fossil fuels.

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 05:59 PM

It may be that government is "not needed" (I take it by that you mean that market forces will do the job) but that doesn't mean government can't help (or hinder, depending on the wisdom of the government).  Subsidies (especially on research) and government entities deciding to go in a certain way with their own use of energy are examples.


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 06:07 PM

View PostCyberKen, on 13 September 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Lockheed Martin introduced an entirely new power plant solution.
I think this is our future.  I use to work on the Z machine (google it).  Or more accurately, I supported those that worked on it.  I also supported wind and solar research.  Our best bet is fusion.  But I also like the idea of cheap personal home solar arrays.

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 06:26 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 13 September 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

I think this is our future.  I use to work on the Z machine (google it).  Or more accurately, I supported those that worked on it.  I also supported wind and solar research.  Our best bet is fusion.  But I also like the idea of cheap personal home solar arrays.

I think this Lockheed Martin Fusion Power Plant 100 MW could power a large orbiting space station.

It is very safe, small and can be turned off and on quickly.  We just need to find some deuterium and tritium.


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 07:28 PM

View PostCyberKen, on 13 September 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

I think this Lockheed Martin Fusion Power Plant 100 MW could power a large orbiting space station.

It is very safe, small and can be turned off and on quickly.  We just need to find some deuterium and tritium.
No over unit fusion plant has ever been demonstrated. Fusion is still that magical 30years in the future which never arrives.

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 07:33 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 13 September 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Hello!?  The second part of my comment *IS* based on the trend.  That was the point.  Thank you for agreeing with Carter that trend is what is important in climate science.


OK:

http://commons.wikim...y_1880-2012.svg


Carter would probably call it stasis.


Yes it is.  It's the cleanest form of fossil fuel we have.  And it takes less to generate more energy.

You should try reading the caption on the graph you posted - it doesn't support your position. whats critical is that you understands the meaning of the error bar :tu:
A climate trend is statistically meaningful over a period of 30 years, so your statement regarding the trend is statistically meaningless.


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 07:56 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 13 September 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

No over unit fusion plant has ever been demonstrated. Fusion is still that magical 30years in the future which never arrives.

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Lockheed Martin would be a good bet!

I predict they will build a successful prototype by 2017.

It will work. :tu:


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 02:06 AM

Dialing Back the Alarm on Climate Change
http://online.wsj.co...2485712464.html

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The big news is that, for the first time since these reports started coming out in 1990, the new one dials back the alarm. It states that the temperature rise we can expect as a result of man-made emissions of carbon dioxide is lower than the IPPC thought in 2007.

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Most experts believe that warming of less than 2 degrees Celsius from preindustrial levels will result in no net economic and ecological damage. Therefore, the new report is effectively saying (based on the middle of the range of the IPCC's emissions scenarios) that there is a better than 50-50 chance that by 2083, the benefits of climate change will still outweigh the harm.


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 02:10 AM

Repeating yourself.  WSJ again.


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 02:18 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 15 September 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

Repeating yourself.  WSJ again.
What is wrong with WSJ? The data is from an advanced reading of the IPCCs document.

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