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When will our population hit crisis point ?


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#46    Papagiorgio

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:42 PM

View Postkajiwara, on 19 June 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

kill off all the old folks eh? So do we set them adrift on a piece of ice or use the ole volcano method..horrible idea
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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:23 AM

Populations are in crisis whenever there is hunger....   for whatever reason?

It's happening today to large populations in some parts of the world and segments of populations in the rest of the world.   The current large scale food production and  distribution systems  are ,in the long run, unsustainable .   I think we'll be forced to return to smaller more localized food production.   I could be wrong of course.  ;

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 01:28 AM

The question isn't "will" but "when." Water will be the new gold. Every living thing on planet Earth needs water to survive. Whether its in 25, 50 or 75 years, we have to have access to vast amounts of clean water. I hope somewhere on this planet there are groups of people tackling ways to desalinate ocean water and how to do it cheaply. I see this issue happening much sooner then I want to believe and God help us all if we haven't got a Plan B.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 02:48 AM

View Postlightly, on 21 June 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:

Populations are in crisis whenever there is hunger....   for whatever reason?

It's happening today to large populations in some parts of the world and segments of populations in the rest of the world.   The current large scale food production and  distribution systems  are ,in the long run, unsustainable .   I think we'll be forced to return to smaller more localized food production.   I could be wrong of course.  ;
Yes, I think you are wrong; the world produces more than enough food and in large areas of the world immense amounts go to waste.  The problem is selfishness and uncaring in rich areas and corruption and mismanagement in poor areas.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 02:50 AM

View PostLorelilly, on 30 June 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

The question isn't "will" but "when." Water will be the new gold. Every living thing on planet Earth needs water to survive. Whether its in 25, 50 or 75 years, we have to have access to vast amounts of clean water. I hope somewhere on this planet there are groups of people tackling ways to desalinate ocean water and how to do it cheaply. I see this issue happening much sooner then I want to believe and God help us all if we haven't got a Plan B.
Desalination technologies are on the horizon that will resolve this in all the world except deserts.  Groundwater is a more serious matter and its depletion has got to be stopped.


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:41 PM

View Postjesspy, on 16 June 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

When I was younger I read a book that said 8 billion would be the tipping point. Something was mentioned about a fertility crisis I would put that down to education and all the chemicals in our food and stuff. It might also be natures way of slowing down population growth.

Japan and south Korea are two countries that will feel the brunt of low fertility. Their economies may fail with no workers because everyone is old or dead and no kids are being born. I live in Australia our population goes up with people coming into the country, but our birth rates have increased because the government has put in cash incentives to pop out babies.

I think we need a age limit rather than a population limit. People are living far too long and the cost of keeping people alive is high. I say when you turn 80 its time to go. Sounds harsh I know but in Australia for example 3.5 - 5 million baby boomers are going to reach 80ish in the next 15 - 25 years, those millions will need health care, nursing homes, medications, pension payments etc. Those working are going to be taxed more to pay for pensions and p
What about the people with mental and physical disabilities or had a car wreck that leaves them unable to work should we just off them too?


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 03:18 PM

well sure we should because everyone knows the elderly/handicapped never contributed anything to society *sarcasm*  im just picturing jesspys 80th birthday when the men in white coats come and say well its been a good ride but times up jesspy..and jesspy shrugs and says ok its for the good of the earth and goes along quietly..not a likely scenario I must say


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 10:28 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 June 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

Yes, I think you are wrong; the world produces more than enough food and in large areas of the world immense amounts go to waste.  The problem is selfishness and uncaring in rich areas and corruption and mismanagement in poor areas.


  True,  but i think you are describing two problems with the current system that might be elevated by more localized systems?



LOL  I just noticed this..

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I think we need a age limit rather than a population limit. People are living far too long and the cost of keeping people alive is high. I say when you turn 80 its time to go. Sounds harsh I know  ....


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:00 AM

View Postlightly, on 02 July 2013 - 10:28 PM, said:

   Happy Birthday Gramma !*!*!*!*** ...  Goodbye!*!*!**!*

Reminds me of the classic Star Trek episode where the planet is entirely peopled by kids, and once they reach puberty, a man-made plague kills them.
http://en.wikipedia....Original_Series)

Edited by DieChecker, 03 July 2013 - 05:00 AM.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:05 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 June 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

Desalination technologies are on the horizon that will resolve this in all the world except deserts.  Groundwater is a more serious matter and its depletion has got to be stopped.
Water itself I think will not be an issue. I think Transport of water and food Will however be a big issue. Not so much in the US, but in Africa and Asia (The places with the fastest growth) I believe the ever increasing cost of transport of food and water will result in much thirst and hunger.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:35 AM

I foresee a world with maybe more than even twenty billion people where everyone lives in conditions we would today call paradise.  Of course they won't see it that way as there will still be rich and poor and doom-sayers will still make a good living, although they will have to find a different story than running out of resources, since everything will be on a sustainable basis.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:59 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 June 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

Desalination technologies are on the horizon that will resolve this in all the world except deserts.  Groundwater is a more serious matter and its depletion has got to be stopped.
Desalination is already here. It is energy intensive which places more pressure on both climate and our dwindling energy reserves. It is not a panacea for our water crisis since it cannot address the real crisis in water which is aquifer depletion within our industrial agriculture areas. Wheat is the main world staple and is concentrated in areas which relie on deep aquifers to farm it.

As in most things technology cannot solve the problems of profligacy and waste - on human common sense can achieve that.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:31 AM

I should have said better desalination techniques that don't use so much energy.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:29 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 03 July 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

I should have said better desalination techniques that don't use so much energy.
I worked on a project once at a former job, where we made medical equipment mostly, and the project was to make a bag inside a bag, with a water permiable surface on the inside bag, so that you filled the outer bag with water and then the water filtered into the inner bag, where it could be drunk from. The permiable material filtered out almost all organisms and debris, and many chemicals. It was supposed to be used for humanitarian efforts in no energy areas of Africa, if I remember right.

Very much like these bags....
http://www.htiwater....n/products.html

Edited by DieChecker, 03 July 2013 - 09:32 PM.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:48 PM

These solutions, though admirable in their chosen application, cannot be considered low energy or materials since they contain substantial amounts of embodied energy at the production phase. They quickly become fowled and so require constant replacement which would make them expensive on an industrial desalination scale.Scale them up and you are fairly much back to square one.


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