I'll repeat your quote again, as you seem to be playing both sides of the "energy" argument and you really can't have it both ways.
"See, believing in a non-corporeal entity such as Lilith or Yahweh for that matter, to be an actual physical thing is not what I'm talking about."
Energy has been measured scientifically and explained - I'll give you this is true of particular materially measurable forms of energy.
The energy of an "non-corporeal entity such as Lillith or Yahweh for that matter ( notice you included Yahweh here) have BOTH never been measured and explained by science.
If I'm wrong about that, please point me to the scientific paper that has measured and explained the non-corporeal demons you summon from the sub-conscious to the conscious in your rituals ... and given them names and archetypical personas.
Also, the behaviour of those engaged in summoning via ritual of a non-corporeal entity and praying to a non-corporeal entity is, in substance, the same (the reasons for doing so, are fundamentally different, although people pray for bad things as much as good in this world thinking they are right to do so, I'll give that).
One group believes in the 'non-corporeal beings of God/Allah/Yahweh etc and the Angels, Holy Ghost, Jesus and pray to said entities supplicating them to fill their bodies and minds to be "filled with the holy spirit" or the word of God or the Healing Power of God/Jesus et al. This group then speaks absolutely lucidly of their experience as being entirely real and measurable - the evidence is within their own "spirit", they would say it is absolute and true that these things have occurred - no science has ever breached this and proven it independently as fact either way.
Another group practices "rituals" to summon and command "non-corporeal" entities and leeches their energy with deliberation to use in magickal tools and will claim to sense and know they have this specific "archetypical" energy and it is now at their disposal to use - no science has ever breached this and proven it independently as fact either way.
Yet you disparage the beliefs of others and at the same time "speak with weight" about your own as though they are unimpeachable.
It is interesting that you do not see the oddity of this existential position in thought, as you do claim to see the energies that arise from the sub-conscious into the conscious quite clearly and can even cyphen them from others as you find them "without permission" even if you want them.
Could you possibly believe you see much more, or something utterly different than a full enquiry would find is actually there when you make these claims? Just wondering if that had occurred to you at any time.
Edited by libstaK, 20 November 2012 - 03:13 PM.