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[Quaentum]

uprize, on 18 October 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

Come on, you REALLY think that???
The US military spends like $1 trillion a year and you say they can't afford to go back to the moon?
What would it cost? A few hundred million $$? Thats nothing in the total scheme of things.
Not to mention NASA have launched spacecraft to go explore other parts of space, so obviously they have money.

The entire Apollo program cost more than 25 billion dollars.  in 2009 they estimated the cost for the same program in 2005 dollars to be 170 billion dollars.  As of 2010 it would have cost 18 billion dollars for just one landing.  The 2012 NASA budget was just over 18 billion dollars total.

http://en.wikipedia....am#Program_cost

The military may have a trillion dollars in their budget but since NASA is not part of the military, they have no access to those funds.  It would take the politicians in Washington allocating more money in the federal budget for NASA to get more money.

So yes I believe it is lack of funding and the numbers back me up.

[Junior Chubb]

Night Walker, on 18 October 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

I love the Far Side. Do you not love the Floyd?

The Floyd? As in Pink?

Its the only Floyd Mr Google will give me...

[DONTEATUS]

How I miss these greats ! Segan,Clark,Newton,Popeye . This is how and why we are who we are ! We tend to pick up a few tid-bits from the Greats.
Right?

[spud the mackem]

If they had'nt switched the base lights off when the Apollo craft orbited, the secret would have been revealed.The Truth is out there. (Fox Mulder)

[MID]

Quaentum, on 18 October 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

The entire Apollo program cost more than 25 billion dollars.  in 2009 they estimated the cost for the same program in 2005 dollars to be 170 billion dollars.  As of 2010 it would have cost 18 billion dollars for just one landing.  The 2012 NASA budget was just over 18 billion dollars total.

http://en.wikipedia....am#Program_cost

The military may have a trillion dollars in their budget but since NASA is not part of the military, they have no access to those funds.  It would take the politicians in Washington allocating more money in the federal budget for NASA to get more money.

So yes I believe it is lack of funding and the numbers back me up.

That would be true.  It is, and has been lack of funding:  not because the money isn't available.   It's because the right people don't want to explore space!

[DONTEATUS]

MID, on 18 October 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

That would be true.  It is, and has been lack of funding:  not because the money isn't available.   It's because the right people don't want to explore space!

ITs time to vote ! but the Future is not on the agenda of either Party ! Only Greed !

[TheMacGuffin]

MID, on 18 October 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

That would be true.  It is, and has been lack of funding:  not because the money isn't available.   It's because the right people don't want to explore space!

I'm not at all sure that such exploration hasn't been going on all along, although it they may not be by the "right" people.

[itsnotoutthere]

747400, on 17 October 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

does that mean that he need have no knowledge of what he wrote? A lot of the most knowledgeable people use the medium of fiction, and a lot of fiction writers know more about the subject than many "experts". see also Arthur C. Clarke.

You take my comment the wrong way, i don't dissagree that he was clever & a great writer but don't you think...."He is more than likely the most knowledgeable person that ever lived" is over egging it somewhat.

[TheMacGuffin]

"In an Oct. 24, 1954, article in American Weekly, Oberth said, “I think that they (UFOs) possibly are manned by intelligent observers who are members of a race that may have been investigating our earth for centuries.”

http://www.google.co...mnJzq8xIuBag8Yg



All he's doing here is stating openly what many people already knew at that point.

[DONTEATUS]

If the Moon is a space ship then were the mother ship,and ITs about time to set Sail to all points Younder !

[synchronomy]

Well, if the Moon is a spaceship then either they did a nice job of parking it, or it's been parked for a helluva long time.
Our Moon is in "tidal lock" and that takes more time than man has been around to happen.
No wonder it's covered with dust.

[bmk1245]

TheMacGuffin, on 17 October 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Yes, but then I have come across statements and theories similar to these from time to time.  This idea that some moons were artificial rather than natural satellites does seem to have been in vogue even in the 1950s and 1960s with Carl Sagan and others.

"The moon’s mean density is 3.34 gm/cm3 (3.34 times an equal volume of water) whereas the Earth’s is 5.5. What does this mean? In 1962, NASA scientist Dr. Gordon MacDonald stated, "If the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the moon is more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere." Nobel chemist Dr. Harold Urey suggested the moon’s reduced density is because of large areas inside the moon where is "simply a cavity." MIT’s Dr. Sean C. Solomon wrote, "the Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon’s gravitational field . . . indicating the frightening possibility that the moon might be hollow." In Carl Sagan’s treatise, Intelligent Life in the Universe, the famous astronomer stated, "A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."


http://www.google.co...Knvx1YCcNDIkQ6Q

Heh, Mars (3.94 g/cm³) must be hollow too, and Venus (5.2 g/cm³) must be "slightly hollow" as well...

[DONTEATUS]

OMG !

[MID]

TheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

I'm not at all sure that such exploration hasn't been going on all along, although it they may not be by the "right" people.

We're talking about space exploration.  That...has only ever been done, and shall only ever be done, by the right people...

[booNyzarC]

bmk1245, on 20 October 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Heh, Mars (3.94 g/cm³) must be hollow too, and Venus (5.2 g/cm³) must be "slightly hollow" as well...

Why not?  The earth is hollow too after all...