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#271    HerNibs

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:27 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 January 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

you just don't fire unless you believe you are (or someone next to you )in danger to be maimed or killed. period.
doen't matter where the bullet lands.

And where did I say I would fire at all?

I said a warning shot is irresponsible.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:29 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 17 January 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

And where did I say I would fire at all?

I said a warning shot is irresponsible.

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yea you did, but for the wrong reason. according to nyc (my ) laws, p.s. you might not be wrong in your state, thou.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 January 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

i don't care if he is dead or not. i need him to stop moving. that all there is to it.

I wasn't telling you should care ..  If your aim is to shoot until they are no longer moving.. that also means shoot to kill, because if you shoot and they are not moving, they are obviously dead

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

The purpose of this thread was to highlight different types of gun behavior, dependent on what purpose we use them for.  And whoever started claiming that "the purpose is to kill" fell right into the hole I dug.

The federal government uses its guns to kill.   To impose itself politically on the will of other people with blood force.  

This is who is going to crack down on the peoples' guns?   This is going to be what tells me how many bullets I may load per its command?   This is who is going to tell me, the person who protects himself, the person who would never have the desire to take another human soul's life, tell me how to behave?    You're going to let this bloodthirsty monster make me responsible!   :rofl:    How dare you.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:34 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 January 2013 - 09:29 PM, said:

yea you did, but for the wrong reason. according to nyc (my ) laws, p.s. you might not be wrong in your state, thou.

What does the NYC laws about warning shots say?  Link?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:35 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 17 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

I wasn't telling you should care ..  If your aim is to shoot until they are no longer moving.. that also means shoot to kill, because if you shoot and they are not moving, they are obviously dead
yea it sounds reasonable.
but if in court DA even for one second believes my goal was to kill him, not stop danger, it would be 1000 time eqasier for him to get guilty verdict. you should forget word kill, in usa court, never say it, to nobody.  since entire case might turn around for just 1 slip of your tounge. it happened many times before. (that is why cops tell you. everything you say can and will be used agaist you in a court of law), and you can be sure it will.you are not killer, you only protecting yourself from likely mnortal danger.in your country it might be different, however.

Edited by aztek, 17 January 2013 - 09:52 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

View PostYamato, on 17 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

right into the hole I dug.

I would say you are great at digging holes lol

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:40 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 17 January 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

I would say you are great at digging holes lol
We're still friends Becky despite all the knives you throw at me.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:42 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 17 January 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

What does the NYC laws about warning shots say?  Link?

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iirc, there is such legal concept in nyc firearm laws as warning shot.but see for yourself.http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/title38_rcny_rev2010_11.pdf

there is also a thick pamflet issued along with gun permit in nyc, i could not find it on line, thou

Edited by aztek, 17 January 2013 - 09:44 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:46 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 January 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

iirc, there is such legal concept in nyc firearm laws as warning shot.but see for yourself.http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/title38_rcny_rev2010_11.pdf

there is also a thick pamflet issued along with gun permit in nyc, i could not find it on line, thou

Eh, I was looking and can't find anything that supports warning shots.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:47 PM

View PostYamato, on 17 January 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

We're still friends Becky despite all the knives you throw at me.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:53 PM

View PostYamato, on 17 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

The purpose of this thread was to highlight different types of gun behavior, dependent on what purpose we use them for.  And whoever started claiming that "the purpose is to kill" fell right into the hole I dug.

The federal government uses its guns to kill.   To impose itself politically on the will of other people with blood force.  

This is who is going to crack down on the peoples' guns?   This is going to be what tells me how many bullets I may load per its command?   This is who is going to tell me, the person who protects himself, the person who would never have the desire to take another human soul's life, tell me how to behave? You're going to let this bloodthirsty monster make me responsible!   :rofl: How dare you.

basically ... yes!

A constitutionally Elected Govt WILL do all these things. You are 1 person, responsible for yourself whilst a Government, by extension, must ensure that YOU do not cause harm to others.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:54 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 17 January 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Eh, I was looking and can't find anything that supports warning shots.

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you won't becose they are illegal here.

correction, my previos post had a typo.
i menat there is NO such concept as waring shot in nyc.

Edited by aztek, 17 January 2013 - 09:55 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:56 PM

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 January 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

you won't becose they are illegal here.

correction, my previos post had a typo.
i menat there is NO such concept as waring shot in nyc.

Ah, ok.  Typo confused me.

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