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[DieChecker]

pallidin, on 22 January 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

Is aluminm ever in pure form in nature, like gold can be?

I believe aluminum is almost exclusively found in its oxide form in nature.

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Because of its strong affinity to oxygen, it is not found in the elemental state but only in combined forms such as oxides or silicates.

http://nautilus.fis....lem/e01300.html

I've yet to see a believable ancient aluminum artifact. Most appear to be crude fakes done by heating the aluminum to make it appear old.

[DieChecker]

psyche101, on 23 January 2013 - 01:24 AM, said:

I do not get how this is not possibly natural formation to be quite honest.

Yeah. I am not even considering that pic. It appears to be a rock that got into the coal bed.

[psyche101]

DieChecker, on 23 January 2013 - 01:33 AM, said:

I believe aluminum is almost exclusively found in its oxide form in nature.


http://nautilus.fis....lem/e01300.html

I've yet to see a believable ancient aluminum artifact. Most appear to be crude fakes done by heating the aluminum to make it appear old.

Indeed, as far as I know, the only place that it is found as a metal is inside a volcanoe, although native aluminium has been reported in cold seeps in the northeastern continental slope of the South China Sea. Bacteria seems to be the likely culprit for the catalyst.

[psyche101]

DieChecker, on 23 January 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

Yeah. I am not even considering that pic. It appears to be a rock that got into the coal bed.

I thought that was supposed to be the original find, the "tooth" in the lump of coal.

[DieChecker]

psyche101, on 23 January 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

I thought that was supposed to be the original find, the "tooth" in the lump of coal.

I thought that the thing still in the coal was supposed to be the Wheel part of the device.

[psyche101]

DieChecker, on 23 January 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

I thought that the thing still in the coal was supposed to be the Wheel part of the device.

Could be, it is very ambiguous, above that picture it says

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The metal detail which was recently found by Vladivostok resident is yet another discovery which perplexed the scientists. The coal in which the metal object was pressed was delivered to Primorye from Chernogorodskiy mines of Khakasia region. Knowing that the coal deposits of this region date 300 million years back, Russian experts inferred that the metal detail found in these deposits must be an age-mate of the coal.

Either way, I do not see evidence of manufacture here.

[Likely Guy]

Okay, I'm going to rewrite the thread's headline, from;

"300 Million Year Old Machinery Found, Experts Say May Be Extraterrestrial".

To:

"Unsubstantiated Chunk of Coal (That 'May' Be 300 Million Years Old, No One's Really Checked) Contains So Far Guessed at Piece of Undetermined Aluminum, So-called 'Experts' (Smartest Guys That We Could Find Right Now) Say That, 'They Don't Know. Sure... It Could Have Fallen From The Sky'!"

Nope, too much ink. They'll go with the first headline.

[csspwns]

how is it not natural? it looks perfectly natural to me

[DONTEATUS]

You have to Love the different photos ,the one on the Front page and the one DIechecker #47 thread ! Where do people get a Alumn,steering rack from a FTL craft ?
It looks like a Rock ,like the one lots of peeps use to park the car`s on a Hill !

[WoIverine]

Mr Right Wing, on 21 January 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

If this is real then I think it more likely indicates we dont understand how times works.

If the modern world is losing objects which are jumping back to other points in history then theres no need for aliens.

That would mean that eventually we'll come across fossilized tv remotes and unmatched socks...which in reality, would actually make sense.

[FlyingAngel]

I thought examining age of an object is a piece of cake for science nowadays. Why need such a big debate?
If it's 300 million years old, then so be it.

[Mac E]

The thing with carbon dating is that it has to be orgainc to test the carbon ratios.  It is easy enough to test the coal around it, but the actual objects themselves are not organic and can not test them to determine the age.  If they can date the manufacturing of the item itself, then they might have something, but in these cases, it is most likely a hoax.  Understanding how coal is formed is a real big hint that these are hoaxes.

Coal Formation

[Hazzard]

Mac E, on 23 January 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

The thing with carbon dating is that it has to be orgainc to test the carbon ratios.  It is easy enough to test the coal around it, but the actual objects themselves are not organic and can not test them to determine the age.  If they can date the manufacturing of the item itself, then they might have something, but in these cases, it is most likely a hoax.  Understanding how coal is formed is a real big hint that these are hoaxes.

Coal Formation

I would just like to add to that, that carbon-14 decays with a half life of about 5730 years.

Carbon-14 is therefore typically reliable only for objects that are less than 50,000 years old, although new accelerator techniques can date objects as much as 100,000 years old.

[Oniomancer]

psyche101, on 23 January 2013 - 02:25 AM, said:

Could be, it is very ambiguous, above that picture it says



Either way, I do not see evidence of manufacture here.

Second picture in the article just before that one.



The inset is apparently the bottom of this.

Wouldn't want them to accuse you of not reading the article now, would you?

Still too shiny for my taste. Even that Pleistocine "lander foot"  from Romania was more corroded than that and that wasn't supposed to be half as old.

Edit: the article was wrong about that BTW. It wasn't found in sandstone, it was found in a sand pit. Makes you wonder what else they got wrong or got lost in translation.

Edited by Oniomancer, 23 January 2013 - 02:09 PM.

[spartan max2]

my only question is could a peice like that survive 300 million years?