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#46    Widdekind

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 06:14 AM

Fear & wonder — a powerful combination
Senator Gracchus, Gladiator (DVD)

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke, Profiles of The Future (1961 AD) (Clarke's 3rd Law)


SUMMARY: I'm essentially saying, that an advanced alien civilization, wielding advanced "Telepathic Weapons", could co-opt & control the consciousnesses of (willing?) humans.  Such "Telepathic consciousness manipulations" might be perceived as "awe-some" & "wondrous" to the targeted species.  As such, such "Telepathic Weapons" could be considered "Alien Wunder-Waffen [Wonder Weapons]".

As for any purported part played by self-deception, the notion of being "contacted by the consciousness of [self-proclaimed] 'god'" could be very flattering, to targeted species, inducing & enticing their collaboration w/ the off-worlders.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 08:25 AM

The Ouija group I was a member of had a number of quite unique board pesonalities with identifiable traits that really couldn't be easily mistaken for any one person in the group, but I still don't believe we were ever in contact with any actual entities - I just think group dynamics, both conscious and unconscious, can be a lot more sophisticated than people think.

I have a hard time with the telepathic weapons causing humans to self-destruct because it just sounds like an extreme "external locus of self control", projecting the idea of some nebulous outside force as being responsible for the things our species does, rather than just our species being itself.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 09:04 AM

View PostWiddekind, on 18 January 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

That's precisely what I'm positing in my posts -- a "Telepathically potent" alien could conceivably cast its consciousness into (willing?) human minds, and infuse that "host" human mind w/ its own Will (injecting information, and desires about how to act upon that information).

Indeed, precisely as posited, another forum member in another thread, has observed, that (organized) religion has hamstrung human scientific progress & amounts to a method of mass control, and that such could also be the case for other intelligent aliens.  So, if a "Telepathic predator" species could Telepathically trick other sentient species -- as is suggested for humans here upon this particular planet -- into some sort of "self-destruction" (Global Warming, Industrial Pollution, Nuclear War), by means of such mass control capability...

then it would follow, that those searching for alien intelligences (1) are "too late" (those sentient species having annihilated themselves, due to The Predator's telepathic trickery); and (2) should seek only the "crumbling ruins" of those now-ancient alien civilizations.  For example, perhaps The Predator's tell-tale signature of such telepathic trickery ("calling card") is induced global climatic catastrophe ("Global Warming"), induced planetary pollution ("Industrial Pollution"), or induced auto-annihilatory nuclear war ("Nuclear War").  In such a case, it would be well for Exo-planet hunters to look for such signatures -- "Venus worlds" (could our own Venus have preceded us in such doom & demise??), chemical signatures of industrial pollutants, and "Mad Max / Terminator worlds".


hey... other planets in our solar system are warming up too...

My linkSun Blamed for Warming of Earth and Other Worlds


But I do think that energetic influence is not always perpetrated on the willing.


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Posted 23 January 2010 - 01:35 AM

View PostParanormalcy, on 21 January 2010 - 08:25 AM, said:

The Ouija group I was a member of had a number of quite unique board pesonalities with identifiable traits that really couldn't be easily mistaken for any one person in the group, but I still don't believe we were ever in contact with any actual entities - I just think group dynamics, both conscious and unconscious, can be a lot more sophisticated than people think.

I have a hard time with the telepathic weapons causing humans to self-destruct because it just sounds like an extreme "external locus of self control", projecting the idea of some nebulous outside force as being responsible for the things our species does, rather than just our species being itself.

That is an apt & succinct summary of this suggestion.

What I can offer, is a set of testable predictions.  The famous Italian Astronomer, Giordiano Bruno, looked at the planets orbiting our Sun, saw other suns across the sky, and said that those stars surely also possessed both planets, some "bearing upon them creatures similar, or even superior, to those upon our human Earth".  We may summarize this simply as "Bruno's Law — If it happens here, it happens everywhere".

According, then, to Bruno's Law, all of the ignorance & folly, which will bring about the doom & demise of our primitive species, since it happens here, has happened everywhere.  Thus, it is a (theoretically) testable prediction, that our Galaxy is currently littered w/ the ruins & relics of ancient sentient species, who foolishly preceded us into 'self-inflicted' doom & demise.

This says, at the simplest, that our skies should show no signs of sentience, b/c such sentient species previously perished in the past, perhaps many millions of years ago.  Upon their planets, all that remains are rubbled ruins, reminiscent of Life After People (HC) & Aftermath — Population Zero (NGC).  

Thus, these purported predeceased species have probably petrified into fossils by the present period, upon their home planets (presuming said to be Geologically [Planetologically?] Active):

The Earth After Us: What Legacy Will Humans Leave in the Rocks?
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Review [Alibris Books]: Geologist Jan Zalasiewicz takes the reader one hundred million years into the future, long after the human race became extinct, to explore what will remain of humanity's brief but dramatic sojourn on planet Earth. He tells how geologists in the far future - perhaps an alien species re-discovering Earth - might piece together the history of the planet, and slowly decipher the fact of humanity's existence, activities, and ultimate extinction from the traces we will leave impressed in the rock strata. The Earth After Us takes this novel approach to show how geologists unravel the information in the rocks. As the alien scientists start investigating the strata, what story will they tell of us? What kind of fossils will humans leave behind? What will happen to cities, cars, and plastic cups? How thick a layer will the 'human stratum' be? And will it be obvious which species dominated the planet? It reveals a story of an environmental crisis similar in scale to even earlier mass extinction events, yet puzzlingly different: a crisis where extinctions were accompanied by a bizarre global merry-go-round of organisms and by sharp perturbations of climate.  The trail leads finally to the bones of the inhabitants of petrified cities that have lain deep underground for many millions of years. As thought-provoking as it is engaging, this book simultaneously explains both the geological mechanisms that shape our planet, and also offers a perspective on humanity and its actions that may prove to be more objective than any other. For our final legacy, Zalasiewicz argues, will provide the ultimate verdict on our species and on our relationship to planet Earth.


But, maybe Moon or Asteroid bases, not being buried by wind, weather, & geological forces, might actually preserve the best evidence of these long-lost ruined species.  Maybe we could find evidence for "a bizarre global merry-go-round of organisms and by sharp perturbations of climate" — for example, perhaps we should expect to see "planets in recovery" after nuclear war, or 'self-inflicted' global warming.  Perhaps we should expect to see "unnatural" diversities of life, in surviving ecosystems, which show the "tell tale imprint" of these "puzzlingly different" kinds of mass extinctions — for example, Lifeforms tend to increase in complexity over time, so that a "natural" unperturbed Ecosystem has a 'smooth distribution', of number of species, plotted against some sort of complexity score... but after a "puzzling" mass extinction, brought about by the (bizarre) behavior of that world's sentient species, you could conceivably end up w/ an "unnatural" distribution, where most of the world is populated by primitive microbes (as if the world were very young, being "bombed back into the stone age"), but w/ a few relic surviving complex forms ('cockroaches & rats') that stand mute witness to the previously greater biodiversity, upon that planet, in the past.

I am convinced, that if you were sufficiently sly, you could wring, out of this "Predator Hypothesis", some testable predictions, above & beyond, "we should see nothing... b/c The Predator already induced their destructions".  Something along the lines of "we should see 'puzzling' signatures of Life, indicating planets recovering from a [geologically] recent Mass Extinction"; strange evidence of technological relics on Moons & Asteroids in systems where the home planet looks like it lacks a sentient species ("Dust covered probes on Mars"), etc.

As you said, this theory posits a prediction so "extreme" — rubbled ruins of failure & folly across the galaxy — that there has to be some sort of "barely visible signature", that even we humans could see, in the next few decades.  For example, Global Warming allegedly causes "Super Storms".  Perhaps the presence of 'puzzling' sorts of storm systems will be visible w/in the next few decades, and could confirm (or refute) this suggestion.

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 08:52 AM

Hypnotism can put people into trances, wherein the target only heeds "voices of authority".  So, some sort of "Telepathic Hypnotism" could conceivably explain the extreme reluctance of mankind to quit its bad habits, which surely seem to be speeding swiftly towards doom & demise, as men reject all (Terrestrial) voices of reason, in favor of their "consciences" & "inner wills" (which are, allegedly, actually influenced by an Extra-Terrestrial telepathic power).

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 10:44 AM

Joseph Tainter says, on civilizations, that:

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societies become more complex as they try to solve problems. Social complexity can include differentiated social and economic roles, reliance on symbolic and abstract communication, and the existence of a class of information producers and analysts who are not involved in primary resource production. Such complexity requires a substantial "energy" subsidy (meaning resources, or other forms of wealth). When a society confronts a "problem," such as a shortage of or difficulty in gaining access to energy, it tends to create new layers of bureaucracy, infrastructure, or social class to address the challenge...  Tainter argues that societies collapse when their investments in social complexity reach a point of diminishing marginal returns.

This causes Cultural Collapse.

As corruption & crime, for example, can cause extreme costs to economies, dramatically reducing their "energy surpluses", from which innovations & adaptive strategies are developed & implemented (by 'bureaucracy'), then perhaps a Telepathic Predator could cause criminal kinds of behaviors, creating a kind of "economic parasitism" to "bleed out" targeted species.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 03:29 AM

Wielding Weapons -- possible explanation of Telepathic trigger

All Hominins (humans, chimps, & bonobos) wield weapons, specifically simple sticks & stones.  During displays of angry aggression, chimps & bonobos (both) brandish branches, carried as clubs, in combat against other groups (PBS The Last Great Ape (TV)).  And, chimps & bonobos chuck rocks at potential predators, to frighten them off.  This strongly suggests that the Last Common Ancestor (LCA) of Hominins, who likely lived some 7 Mya, wielded weapons, using simple sticks & stones, during displays of aggression, and to deter potential predators.

(Monkeys, who diverged evolutionarily from Apes about 15 Mya, make use of stones to smash open nuts.  But, only Hominins have used stones to smash other organisms, for roughly 7 Mya.  So, after many millions of years of using stones to smash nuts, the Hominin LCA began bashing other organisms.)

Behaviorally, wielding weapons amounts to "technologized aggression" -- using tools to augment aggression, for inflicting violence.  Psychologically, wielding weapons amounts to "technologized anger" -- using tools during eruptions of rage.  And, from inflicting violence, wielded weapons foster fear in victims.

So, to explain a purported "telepathic trigger", the co-incident combination of fear, anger, & tool use could conceivably be the kind of consciousness The Predator would try to telepathically detect.  

Could their conceivably be a conspicuous consciousness "footprint" of using "smashing stones" (say) against another animal ??  For, fear & anger can clearly be conceived as conspicuous kinds of consciousness, but "nature red in tooth & claw" abounds w/ evidence of fear & anger co-mingled contemporaneously.  Seemingly, some sort of "footprint" of tool use should be present for a purported Telepathic Predator to detect.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 03:50 AM

A staggering speculation -- where would the Predator be ?

Consider the whole known visible universe.  And, imagine that the purported Telepathic Predator has been inducing the demise & doom of sentient species in its vicinity.  If, by some magic means, it would prove possible to plot the positions of surviving sentient species across space, then a "hole" in that distribution would probably imply the presence of The Predator in that likely location.  Or, if the number of surviving sentient species were to gradually decline, from one side of the visible universe to the other, then presumably The Predator would likely be located somewhere in the direction towards the decrease in surviving sentient species.


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Posted 26 January 2010 - 12:43 PM

Drake's Equation predicts that there should be about 30 advanced civilizations in our Milky Way Galaxy*.  And, natural Existential Risks -- threats to the existence of sentient species, such as Planet Killer class comets or asteroids -- appear to be "very small", especially b/c a technologically advanced sentient species could, for example, "detect an approaching body in time [and] would have a good chance of diverting it by intercepting it with a rocket loaded with a nuclear bomb".  Thus:

The greatest Existential Risks ... appear to be those that derive from the activities of advanced technological civilizations... the top risks are engendered by our activities...  If non-anthropogenic factors have failed to annihilate the human species for hundreds of thousands of years, it could seem unlikely that such factors will strike us down in the next century or two. By contrast, we have no reason whatever not to think that the products of advanced civilization will be our bane**.

Thus, mankind lives in a Universe amenable to Life (cf. Cosmological Copernican Principal), and so we should share our Galaxy we scores of other sentient species.

* Rhonda Lucas Donald.  (Watts Library) Life on Other Planets.
** http://www.nickbostr...tial/risks.html


However,

The cosmos is quiet. Eerily quiet. After decades of straining our radio ears for a whisper of civilisations beyond Earth, we have heard nothing. No reassuring message of universal peace. No helpful recipe for building faster-than-light spacecraft or for averting global catastrophes. Not even a stray interstellar advertisement*.


So, from its fecund fertility, whilst we should be sharing our "Galactic nest" w/ scores of other sentient species, whose "hatchling chirpings" we should be seeing & sensing, in reality out "nest" seems suspiciously silent.  This suspicious silence, of deathly depression, across the Galaxy, when Life is likely, seems suggestive of strong circumstantial evidence, completely consistent, w/ the presence of The Predator.  For,

The Fermi Paradox refers to the question mark that hovers over the data point that we have seen no signs of extraterrestrial life. This tells us that it is not the case that life evolves on a significant fraction of Earth-like planets and proceeds to develop advanced technology, using it to colonize the universe in ways that would have been detected with our current instrumentation. There must be (at least) one Great Filter – an evolutionary step that is extremely improbable – somewhere on the line between Earth-like planet and colonizing-in-detectable-ways civilization. If the Great Filter isn’t in our past, we must fear it in our (near) future. Maybe almost every civilization that develops a certain level of technology causes its own extinction**.

Quite conceivably, the Great Filter forestalling the evolution of sentient species, across our Galaxy, is The Predator, who has apparently imposed a "Galactic Dark Ages", of species isolation & lack of long-range trade & communication.

* http://www.newscient...peak-alien.html
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 02:04 PM

Simple Summary Statement If a Telepathic Predator, acting as a Great Filter, wrecks whole worlds w/ mind manipulations, then we should see "worlds of wreckage" when we look at those worlds, through out telescopes.  This might make it easier to detect the evidence of such types of (telepathic) attacks, for our telescopes will surely soon start seeing worlds in other star systems... and if those worlds have been wrecked, we ought to soon see such world-wide wreckage, when we see the worlds themselves.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 02:05 PM

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Simple Summary Statement If a Telepathic Predator, acting as a Great Filter, wrecks whole worlds w/ mind manipulations, then we should see "worlds of wreckage" when we look at those worlds, through out telescopes.  This might make it easier to detect the evidence of such types of (telepathic) attacks, for our telescopes will surely soon start seeing worlds in other star systems... and if those worlds have been wrecked, we ought to soon see such world-wide wreckage, when we see the worlds themselves.
How does this differ from fiction exactly?

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 08:48 AM

View PostMattshark, on 28 January 2010 - 02:05 PM, said:

How does this differ from fiction exactly?

It's a testable prediction, & one that could be seen soon (as I said)...

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 01:59 PM

View PostWiddekind, on 29 January 2010 - 08:48 AM, said:

It's a testable prediction, & one that could be seen soon (as I said)...
No it isn't, it is conjecture based on conjecture. There is no evidence of anything psychic, there is no mechanism and there is no evidence of outside influence, there is no evidence of life on other planets and certainly not the life you have assumed.
So all you are left with is a science fiction story and nothing more.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 02:31 PM

View PostMattshark, on 29 January 2010 - 01:59 PM, said:

No it isn't, it is conjecture based on conjecture. There is no evidence of anything psychic, there is no mechanism and there is no evidence of outside influence, there is no evidence of life on other planets and certainly not the life you have assumed.
So all you are left with is a science fiction story and nothing more.

Post #56 makes very specific predictions, of what Planet Finder telescopes should start seeing, in the (relatively) near future.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 02:49 PM

"Giordiano Bruno's Law" is, in essence, that "what's here is there" (e.g., we have inhabited planets circling our star, so there are inhabited planets circling other stars as well).

Now, when we look out, across the cosmos, all our SETI-type projects see in the skies, is silence & noise.

So, upon the back of "Bruno's Law", this hypothesis predicts, that the SETI-type projects, of other sentient species, should see only silence & noise in their skies ("what we see here is what they see there").  Thus, it should be the case, that our sentient species is effectively invisible from a few thousand light-years [the expected distance to the next nearest of our Galaxy's ~30 sentient species].

Is this the case, or is our sentient species already quite conspicuous across such spatial distances ??  If we are conspicuous, that conspicuousness would be inconsistent w/ this hypothesis.


FURTHER OBSERVATION:

This hypothesis essentially says, that the commonly claimed "suicidal-ness" & "fratricidal-ness" of our sentient species, is not random, but rather imposed, by the advanced means of The Predator.  And, by application to the other sentient species which we "should" be seeing, the same is offered as answer to Fermi's Paradox ("we should've seen 'em by now").

Thus, this hypothesis asserts, that the answer to Fermi's Paradox, is the same, as the answer to the "suicidal fratricidal-ness" our sentient species.  So, if, at some time in the future, Fermi's Paradox is conclusively answered, then this hypothesis says, that answer, whatever it may be, must explain the self-destructive tendencies of humans, et vice versa.

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