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Should Westboro BC be classed a hate group ?


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#31    Simbi Laveau

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:03 PM

View PostCryptid-Seeker, on 28 December 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

For what they said about Ronnie James Dio, yes they should. Rock in Peace, Dio.
Ok,I missed this.What did they say about Dio ?
...I mean ,what can anyone say about Dio ,except he was an incredible talent,nice guy,and lost way too soon .
Why doesn't some psycho with a,rifle go shoot up the WBC ...I mean really ...why .

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:09 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 28 December 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

Why doesn't some psycho with a,rifle go shoot up the WBC ...I mean really ...why .

Would whoever did shoot the WBC ( and put and end to the misery ) would they be branded a psycho? or hero?

Bare in mind, I don't feel violence is an answer, but I am surprised no one has done anything like that to them before now..   If they were over here and they stood at a funeral of some republican  or Irish terrorist,  protesting hate..I'd say a few guys over here would put them out of their misery fast ..I have heard of people over here getting shot for a lot less.. The WBC are lucky the Americans are not willing to do it..  Picture them over in Iraq  protesting Islam ..that would be a mess for them..

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:31 PM

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Bare in mind, I don't feel violence is an answer, but I am surprised no one has done anything like that to them before now..   If they were over here and they stood at a funeral of some republican  or Irish terrorist,  protesting hate..I'd say a few guys over here would put them out of their misery fast ..I have heard of people over here getting shot for a lot less.. The WBC are lucky the Americans are not willing to do it..  Picture them over in Iraq  protesting Islam ..that would be a mess for them..

Because most of that group are lawyers looking to make a quick buck suing anyone and anybody


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:20 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 December 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Would whoever did shoot the WBC ( and put and end to the misery ) would they be branded a psycho? or hero?

Bare in mind, I don't feel violence is an answer, but I am surprised no one has done anything like that to them before now..   If they were over here and they stood at a funeral of some republican  or Irish terrorist,  protesting hate..I'd say a few guys over here would put them out of their misery fast ..I have heard of people over here getting shot for a lot less.. The WBC are lucky the Americans are not willing to do it..  Picture them over in Iraq  protesting Islam ..that would be a mess for them..

It may have changed since (I moved out of Topeka in 1993)m but back then they owned an entire city block and it was really like a compound.  Approaching that place was difficult and even mail man wouldn't come near.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:58 AM

Sadly, it's not against the Law to protest.
Fortunately it's not against the Law to protest.
How is it noone's protested outside their church?

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:00 AM

"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence. The phrase is meant to exemplify the "unalienable rights" with which all human beings are endowed for the protection of which they institute governments.

Their "free speech" tramples all over those who are trying to find closure to a sad situation. Hard to pursue happiness when
it is marred by outright hatred. Let God speak for himself, not the lips of self righteous fools.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:39 AM

View PostRealm, on 29 December 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence. The phrase is meant to exemplify the "unalienable rights" with which all human beings are endowed for the protection of which they institute governments.

Their "free speech" tramples all over those who are trying to find closure to a sad situation. Hard to pursue happiness when
it is marred by outright hatred. Let God speak for himself, not the lips of self righteous fools.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:18 PM

Ok, I've got a question. Why can't there simply be a law but in place to stop protests within a certain distance of funerals? That seems like the simplest legal solution because come on, funerals are not the place for protests of any kind.

If they argue about such a move violating their free speech you could even turn it back on them and state that the law is as much for their protection as it is to stop the disruption that they make, since people at funeral's are in an emotionally vulnerable state and could get violent by their protests.

So why isn't such a law workable?

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:22 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 29 December 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Ok, I've got a question. Why can't there simply be a law but in place to stop protests within a certain distance of funerals? That seems like the simplest legal solution because come on, funerals are not the place for protests of any kind.

If they argue about such a move violating their free speech you could even turn it back on them and state that the law is as much for their protection as it is to stop the disruption that they make, since people at funeral's are in an emotionally vulnerable state and could get violent by their protests.

So why isn't such a law workable?

yes, it is workable. The question is whether such a law will ever be passed. It does not seem high on anybodies agenda.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:25 PM

No, It is not workable, One cannot just pass laws then go against the Constitution or what the people want. :gun:


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:33 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 29 December 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

No, It is not workable, One cannot just pass laws then go against the Constitution or what the people want. :gun:

Are you saying that people want westboro protesting funerals?

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:52 PM

No. Im saying the First Amendment unfortunately makes it "legal". Morally I think its sick.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:55 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 29 December 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

No. Im saying the First Amendment unfortunately makes it "legal". Morally I think its sick.

It makes it legal to protest, it says nothing about where you may protest. It would be quite easy to ban protests within 500 yards of any cemetery during a funeral.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:14 PM

It gets too muttled. With the whole ban protests and gather for a funeral. I mean.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 29 December 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Ok, I've got a question. Why can't there simply be a law but in place to stop protests within a certain distance of funerals? That seems like the simplest legal solution because come on, funerals are not the place for protests of any kind.

If they argue about such a move violating their free speech you could even turn it back on them and state that the law is as much for their protection as it is to stop the disruption that they make, since people at funeral's are in an emotionally vulnerable state and could get violent by their protests.

So why isn't such a law workable?

There are laws about protesting funerals now, mostly in reaction to the WBCs efforts. Here is a nice link.. http://archive.first...uneral_protests It's a couple years old, so some of the information may not be as current as I would like.

I think part of the problem of making such laws workable, at least in the WBC case, is that the WBC is full of lawyers. Phelps did quite a bit in civil rights law before he was disbarred, and other church members have followed in his footsteps.





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