Is America the End time Babylon?

[saucy]

I was reading the bible the other day and came across some interesting prophecy and I got to thinking that indeed the end time babylon prophecied in the bible is indeed america. Here's my evidence:

The bible says that the end time babylon will be or have:

1) A nation with a mother country. (Jer. 50:12)

2) A young nation. (Jer. 50:12)

3) An end time nation that exists when Israel is back in Palestine as a nation. (Jer. 50:19)

4) A nation with lakes, rivers and waterways (Jer. 51:13)

5) A nation of great wealth. (Jer. 51:13)

6) A nation known as the melting pot of the world. (Jer. 50:37)

7) A nation with homosexuals in its military. (Jer. 51:30)

8) A nation with "Star Wars" (can venture into space) technology. (Jer. 51:53)

9) A nation with many Jews living in it. (Jer. 50:4,5,8,16,19,28)

10) A nation that's home to a gathering of many nations (U.N.) (Jer. 51:44)

11) A nation who's destruction will destory world commerce (Rev. 18:11)

12) A nation called, "The Lady," (Isa. 47:5)

13) A nation that begins with a Godly heritage, and degenerates into Babylon (Jer. 50:11)

All of those sound like America to me. What do you think?

[Fluffybunny]

It's in the bible, it must be right!

[MichaelS]

The problem with many prophecies is that they can be read and interpreted to reflect current conditions... or in "hindsight".

If the Bible specifically said, "The United States of America will be a powerful country that will be the ultimate downfall of mankind, and will usher in the 10, 000 year reign of Lucifer", then I might be a little more likely to believe it.

[Falco Rex]

All these sound like several other nations too, when you think about it...

[Fluffybunny]

If the Bible specifically said, "The United States of America will be a powerful country that will be the ultimate downfall of mankind, and will usher in the 10, 000 year reign of Lucifer", then I might be a little more likely to believe it.

10,000 year reign of lucifer?

I thought presidents were limited to two terms?

[MichaelS]

It's certainly better than Canadian Prime Minsisters that can go on... and on... and on... and on...

[saucy]

I really don't know of any other nation that fits that description. Bible prophecy also says that a nation from the north is gonna take us out. Uh.....Canada????? Canada is gonna kick our butts?

[MichaelS]

I really don't know of any other nation that fits that description. Bible prophecy also says that a nation from the north is gonna take us out. Uh.....Canada????? Canada is gonna kick our butts?

Dang right we are! We've been stock piling "beer bombs", which when dropped, will get everyone drunk... then we'll be able to take over!

Bwa hahahahahahaha!

[Falco Rex]

Hah! You want to take over by getting us drunk? Go ahead. I dare you!..No, really..

[Fluffybunny]

Hah! You want to take over by getting us drunk? Go ahead. I dare you!..No, really..

Yeah, you'd really need to twist some arms to do that here...

[MichaelS]

Hah! You want to take over by getting us drunk? Go ahead. I dare you!..No, really..

*talks into his wrist communicator, "Initiate Operation Labbatts... What?!? What do you mean the Sea Kings can't take off? What... They on the flight deck? In pieces? Ok... Plan B- Send in the the John Candy clones..."*

[Stellar]

Again, thats not evidence.

1) A nation with a mother country. (Jer. 50:12)

"She will be the least of the nations-

a wilderness, a dry land, a desert. "

Oh, really specific there!

2) A young nation. (Jer. 50:12)

"Because of the LORD's anger she will not be inhabited

but will be completely desolate. "

The US is inhabited...

"All who pass Babylon will be horrified and scoff

because of all her wounds."

So.. suddenly, in the will to prove the Bible wrong... you quit taking it literally? If you take it literally, and it says Babylon... IT MEANS BABYLON.

3) An end time nation that exists when Israel is back in Palestine as a nation. (Jer. 50:19)

"But I will bring Israel back to his own pasture

and he will graze on Carmel and Bashan;

his appetite will be satisfied

on the hills of Ephraim and Gilead. "

Whatever you say...

4) A nation with lakes, rivers and waterways (Jer. 51:13)

"The LORD will carry out his purpose,

his decree against the people of Babylon. "

Again... Babylon. The United States isnt named Babylon.

"You who live by many waters

and are rich in treasures,

your end has come,

the time for you to be cut off. "

OOOk, really specific there.... I mean... the US is the only rich country with many waters in it!

5) A nation of great wealth. (Jer. 51:13)

As I said... many nations now and in the past were rich.

6) A nation known as the melting pot of the world. (Jer. 50:37)

"A sword against her horses and chariots

and all the foreigners in her ranks!

They will become women.

A sword against her treasures!

They will be plundered. "

Dont know how you got that out of this... but anyway... I've never heard the US refered to as the melting pot of the world!

7) A nation with homosexuals in its military. (Jer. 51:30)

"Babylon's warriors have stopped fighting;

they remain in their strongholds.

Their strength is exhausted;

they have become like women.

Her dwellings are set on fire;

the bars of her gates are broken."

No mention of homosexuals there... just some degredation of women. Even if it said "homosexuals in its military", thats really specific.

8) A nation with "Star Wars" (can venture into space) technology. (Jer. 51:53)

Even if Babylon reaches the sky

and fortifies her lofty stronghold,

I will send destroyers against her,"

declares the LORD .

Again... "Babylon"

Anyway. If it reaches the sky... and reaching the sky was comon back then. The tower of Babel for instance.

9) A nation with many Jews living in it. (Jer. 50:4,5,8,16,19,28)

Im not gonna quote it but... Isreal has lots of Jews living in it... many nations do. Even back then.

10) A nation that's home to a gathering of many nations (U.N.) (Jer. 51:44)

"I will punish Bel in Babylon

and make him spew out what he has swallowed.

The nations will no longer stream to him.

And the wall of Babylon will fall."

Huh?

11) A nation who's destruction will destory world commerce (Rev. 18:11)

"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more"

You're being another "end of the world"ist with that. Never once mentions that it will destroy world commerce.

12) A nation called, "The Lady," (Isa. 47:5)

"Sit in silence, go into darkness,

Daughter of the Babylonians;

no more will you be called

queen of kingdoms. "

Again... seems you quit being litteral... why?

13) A nation that begins with a Godly heritage, and degenerates into Babylon (Jer. 50:11)

""Because you rejoice and are glad,

you who pillage my inheritance,

because you frolic like a heifer threshing grain

and neigh like stallions, "

Again... HUH?

[Stellar]

Hah! You want to take over by getting us drunk? Go ahead. I dare you!..No, really..

*talks into his wrist communicator, "Initiate Operation Labbatts... What?!? What do you mean the Sea Kings can't take off? What... They on the flight deck? In pieces? Ok... Plan B- Send in the the John Candy clones..."*

"What? They tore a hole threw our ships? OUR NAVY IS SINKING!! Oh boy... we didnt plan for this!"

[Fluffybunny]

Good job stellar!

[MichaelS]

Hah! You want to take over by getting us drunk? Go ahead. I dare you!..No, really..

*talks into his wrist communicator, "Initiate Operation Labbatts... What?!? What do you mean the Sea Kings can't take off? What... They on the flight deck? In pieces? Ok... Plan B- Send in the the John Candy clones..."*

"What? They tore a hole threw our ships? OUR NAVY IS SINKING!! Oh boy... we didnt plan for this!"

Our John Candy Clones are naturally bouyant.

You shall be over-run!

On a more serious note, I don't think the USA is the nation supposedly responsible for the End Times.

Edited August 9, 2004 by Stewey1972

[Stellar]

First its Isreal... then its the EU... then its the US... this'll never stop.

[snuffypuffer]

Umm, on one point, good goin, Stellar

On the other, ah, John Candy clones invading drunk America? Yeah, okay, that's an odd image.

[Falco Rex]

If the Canadians really want to win they'd clone an army of Pam Andersons' and send them down. But that's why they won't win. They always think of cloning people like john Candy. That army would idsband in confusion once they got a look at our many, many fast food chains..

..And Stellar; that was just awesome man!

Edited August 10, 2004 by Falco Rex

[snuffypuffer]

Aren't we basically the same country anyway? Except north of the border they say aboot.

[Stellar]

Aren't we basically the same country anyway? Except north of the border they say aboot.

No, they say eh?

[snuffypuffer]

Aren't we basically the same country anyway?  Except north of the border they say aboot.

No, they say eh?

yeah, but they say what was that all aboot? You hoser, how about a Molson, eh?

[Janiel]

8) A nation with "Star Wars" (can venture into space) technology. (Jer. 51:53)

did it really use the term Star Wars...? if it did then i think its right...

[Stellar]

Aren't we basically the same country anyway?  Except north of the border they say aboot.

No, they say eh?

yeah, but they say what was that all aboot? You hoser, how about a Molson, eh?

Where the hell does that aboot stuff come from? No one here says aboot except the americans that cross the border and talk about how they heard canadians say aboot.

[Daughter of the Nine Moons]

Stellar, I think that Snuffs wishes that he was Canadian

[jeceris]

Aren't we basically the same country anyway?  Except north of the border they say aboot.

No, they say eh?

yeah, but they say what was that all aboot? You hoser, how about a Molson, eh?

thank you snuff, for reinforcing the canadian stereotype.

doug and bob was over 20yrs ago, i haven't heard anyone called a hoser

since.

given up on molsons about, sorry, aboot the same time.

and no stellar, we are not the same country, although, i think many americans

secretly wish they were.