Turin Shroud Contains Global Plant DNA

[Still Waters]

The mysterious Turin Shroud - supposedly the burial cloth of Jesus - became even more puzzling this week after a DNA study.

Researchers found that the shroud contains DNA from plants all over the world, by sequencing genes from pollen and dust particles.

The research suggests that the relic has travelled widely - there is DNA from India, Turkey and even America.

https://uk.news.yaho...82.html#9uU5zqc

[Wickian]

It's not that mysterious. Someone painted/powdered on a picture of a human. 3d imprints are not shaped like that on flat surfaces.

[Space Commander Travis]

Well that's probably because it's been taken all over the world so that Experts can poke it and prod it. And they had it on public display for quite a while too didn't they, so people from all over the world came and poked and prodded it, and they probably had DNA from all over the place all over them.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Norbert the Powerful

[Gary Meadows]

I didn't know that Jesus was a vegetarian..

[Doug1029]

With all those tourists from all over the world gawking at it, is it any wonder?

Doug

[Doug1029]

It's not that mysterious. Someone painted/powdered on a picture of a human. 3d imprints are not shaped like that on flat surfaces.

Well maybe. But I like an alternative hypothesis better: the provenance of the shroud can be traced back to the grandson of Jacques DeMolay, last Grand Master of the Knights Templar. It has been radio-carbon dated to the right time. Jacques DeMolay was deliberately tortured and killed in imitation of Christ. I submit: it was the altar cloth used by the Knights Templar. After DeMolay's death, it was used to cover his body. The image on the shroud is DeMolay's, not Christ's.

Doug

[BeastieRunner]

Well maybe. But I like an alternative hypothesis better: the provenance of the shroud can be traced back to the grandson of Jacques DeMolay, last Grand Master of the Knights Templar. It has been radio-carbon dated to the right time. Jacques DeMolay was deliberately tortured and killed in imitation of Christ. I submit: it was the altar cloth used by the Knights Templar. After DeMolay's death, it was used to cover his body. The image on the shroud is DeMolay's, not Christ's.

Doug

So we've been using his image as Jesus? That's hilarious!

[regeneratia]

Why is this a puzzle. It has toured the world. It has been touched by probably millions, mostly likely thousands.

The shroud holds NO INTRIGUE for me whatsoever. Jesus could be the culminiation of three different people. He could be a concept, rather than an actual person. We really have no way of knowing, unless we step back there to that era and find out. The image could be Molay!!!

Edited October 20, 2015 by regeneratia

[bubblykiss]

So that is the burial shroud of Plant Jesus?

[Podo]

Guys, guys, you don't get it, do you? This is CLEARLY proof that there is a second, undiscovered Ark, full of plants! Now, I'm going to go shout about this and declare a holy war against anyone who disagrees.

[XenoFish]

Guys, guys, you don't get it, do you? This is CLEARLY proof that there is a second, undiscovered Ark, full of plants! Now, I'm going to go shout about this and declare a holy war against anyone who disagrees.

I disagree. Shall we wage a never ending war? Shall we?

Edited October 20, 2015 by XenoFish

[Podo]

I disagree. Shall we wage a never ending war? Shall we?

It's ON!

[Grandpa Greenman]

The thing has been around a long time and handled by lots of people and pollen goes up in the upper atmosphere and travels around the world. They are looking for a mystery that isn't there.

[+DieChecker]

It's not that mysterious. Someone painted/powdered on a picture of a human. 3d imprints are not shaped like that on flat surfaces.

If it was done that way it would be Miraculous! :innocent: Ha, ha, ha....

[+DieChecker]

I have to agree that the most logical thing is that the DNA/pollen came from tourists.

I thought the Shroud was supposed to have been made using authentic middle eastern materials, by a forger using ferric oxide dabbed onto the cloth while it was wet and drapped over a statue or cadaver.

http://phys.org/news/2005-06-turin-shroud-fake.html

[Davros of Skaro]

I have to agree that the most logical thing is that the DNA/pollen came from tourists.

I thought the Shroud was supposed to have been made using authentic middle eastern materials, by a forger using ferric oxide dabbed onto the cloth while it was wet and drapped over a statue or cadaver.

http://phys.org/news/2005-06-turin-shroud-fake.html

Mr. Wizard's Supermarket science.

[SHaYap]

The tourists came bearing gifts ~

[zac509]

Good for photographs that say a 1000 ppp and things:)

[eight bits]

Umm, Jacques de Molay had one of the best attested executions in the history of injustice: he was slow-burned at the stake on the Ile des Juifs in Paris (now joined to the Ile de la Cite). Even if his earlier tortures really did include being nailed to a door, he was in custody from the time of his arrest until his death, and thus unavailable for textile photo ops.

The de Molay theory of the Shroud apparently is the work of Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Second Messiah: Templars, the Turin Shroud and the Great Secret of Freemasonry.

[Calibeliever]

It's not that mysterious. Someone painted/powdered on a picture of a human. 3d imprints are not shaped like that on flat surfaces.

I wouldn't put it out there that this is the image of Jesus, but it was almost certainly not this silly explanation either. More than a few fairly bright people have bent their minds to how the shroud was created and I'm sure they would have figured out 'paint' by now.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Calibeliever

[aearluin]

All in need from this story is the last sentence: "It is also possible that the samples of pollen found on it may have come from visitors who had traveled long distances to view the relic in person". There is no mystery at all, simply sample contamination...

[acute]

Why does anyone care about the Turin Shroud?

It was carbon dated decades ago, and proven to be a medieval fake.

I am not surprised that it has been all around the world, though. It probably took some time for the faker to find a gullible-enough buyer.

[sonofkrypton]

Why does anyone care about the Turin Shroud?

It was carbon dated decades ago, and proven to be a medieval fake.

I am not surprised that it has been all around the world, though. It probably took some time for the faker to find a gullible-enough buyer.

if i recollect, was the argument not made that the "samples" were taken from cloth that had been to used to repair previous damage? and the repairs took place in Medieval times?

[Flemopark]

The article doesn't really make sense, if their claiming at the end of the article it may have been tourist that contaminated the cloth with pollen particles they brought with them, why is some of the particles claimed to be from the old world? That means the cloth actually did travel around the world in the past more specifically 2000 years ago right?

[Doug1029]

A few other thoughts about the shroud: it has blood on it, apparently from the victim. Blood exposed to air congeals in minutes. The victim was dead; his heart wasn't beating. So how does a dead man bleed? I submit that the body was alive at the time it was placed in the shroud. But Jesus "died" on the cross, so that live body couldn't have been his - or could it? And if it was that of Jacques DeMolay, the shroud would have to be removed before he could be burned at the stake, or we'd have no mysterious shroud to ask questions about. So just how good is that record of DeMolay's torture and execution?

Doug