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#76    Harsh86_Patel

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 08:44 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 14 August 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Then you've obviously never seen slabs of shale broken apart.



Actually no, it can't. It could be part of a civilization perhaps but it's never considered a civilization, in and of itself. Amongst other things a civilization requires several settlements.

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I said you cant cut stone at 90 degree angles without tools.Shale breaking itself at 90 degrees and arraniging itself to look man made seems less probable.Why can't a single city which is completely diverse and isolated from other contemporary civilizations,having it's own individual culture,relegion,technology etc be considered a civilization on to itself.City is a physical dwelling place and civilization is distinctive people living in it.


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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:36 AM

http://www.mysteriou...bimini2007.html

http://www.edgarcayc...es.aspx?id=5291

Some interesting reads for ruins around Bimini probably predating the last iceage............


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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:36 PM

Harsh86, you want us the read the 'fluffy' stuff, but do you also click on the links to scientific papers posted here and elsewhere?

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:52 PM

About the "Bimini Road":


The Mystique of Beachrock
Eugene A. Shinn
Abstract


(...)

Adventurer and book writer Peter Thompkins later initiated and financed a
study during which the stones were extensively sampled with a newly
developed coring device. A summary of the expedition is provided by Shinn
(2004). The core borings, proved that the stones are composed of in-situ
natural beachrock that has been submerged by a combination of rising
Holocene sea level and erosion of underlying sand (Shinn 1978). Coring and
examination showed they rest directly on weathered Pleistocene limestone.
The Pleistocene limestone is coated by a reddish-brown calcrete, indicating
subaerial exposure preceding Holocene sedimentation and beachrock
formation. Later, McKusick and Shinn (1980) presented bulk 14C age data
from the cores. The dates ranging from 3510 to 2745 yrs BP indicate the
stones are much too young to be part of the mythological city/state of
Atlantis, which was said to be a legend 7ka when told to Plato 2ka.


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Speculation and Future Research Possibilities

Alternative thinkers who believe the Bimini stones are anthropogenic
features often cite historic harbors in the Mediterranean as models for what
they believe occurred at Bimini during prehistoric or “Atlantian” times. The
sand spits and offshore barrier islands that migrate and form harbors in the
Persian Gulf may well indicate that some ancient harbors in the
Mediterranean developed geologically in a similar fashion. In the Persian
Gulf or Arabian Gulf, one can observe that curved spits have provided
natural sheltered harbors and that villages have been established because of
the shelter they provide. As the spits migrate laterally along the coast and the
harbors fill in, villages adjacent to the shallowing end of the harbor are
abandoned and rebuilt around the deepening newly forming harbor entrance.
Similar processes are likely to have occurred along the southern
Mediterranean shore, where the climate is arid and seawater salinity is
generally elevated. In areas where the harbors were especially important for
commerce, it would be reasonable to build structures around previously
formed natural beachrock-protected harbors. “J” shapes would be expected
in such areas. Because of the abundant ancient cultures in the Mediterranean
region, it would also be reasonable to expect an abundance of artifacts that
might lead archeologists, both conventional and alternative, to conclude that
the harbors were entirely man-made. Ancient Mediterranean cultures may
have simply taken advantage of and added to what nature had already
provided. The argument that the Bimini Road is anthropogenic because of
similarities with stones around ancient Mediterranean harbors may not be
valid.


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Figure 5. Newly exposed submerged beachrock “road” on east side of
Loggerhead Key at Dry Tortugas. The “Loggerhead Road” was exposed by
Hurricane Katrina in 2005, and undermining of sand beneath the stones
caused the rock to subside approximately 1 m.

http://mgg.rsmas.mia.../shinnfinal.pdf


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Edited by Abramelin, 14 August 2012 - 01:21 PM.


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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:54 PM

Harsh,,for your enlightenment

http://www.csicop.or...mini_beachrock/

http://www.intersurf...ny/Bimini1.html

Edited by The_Spartan, 14 August 2012 - 12:56 PM.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 05:05 PM

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As far as i know 90 degree angles cannot be cut without using tools.

The key part of that is "as far as I know."

Obviously, no one is expecting every poster here to know everything (the way I do) but the fact that you don't know something does not mean that that something isn't true.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 05:07 PM

View PostHarte, on 14 August 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

The key part of that is "as far as I know."

Obviously, no one is expecting every poster here to know everything (the way I do) but the fact that you don't know something does not mean that that something isn't true.

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And, if I might add, having found a 90 degree angle among a multitude not measured is not indicative of anything intelligent at work, if enough rocks are broken sooner or later one will have 90 degrees. With or without tools.

It is something we call "probability".

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 05:59 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 14 August 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

I said you cant cut stone at 90 degree angles without tools.Shale breaking itself at 90 degrees and arraniging itself to look man made seems less probable.Why can't a single city which is completely diverse and isolated from other contemporary civilizations,having it's own individual culture,relegion,technology etc be considered a civilization on to itself.City is a physical dwelling place and civilization is distinctive people living in it.

And you've been given an example of a material that does achieve 90 degree angles without the use of tools. That you wish to ignore it is irrelevant to the fact that it happens.

Because that's not the definition of a civilization. And no, the definition of a civilization is NOT "a distinctive people living in a city" as you are claiming. Your wanting it to be doesn't make it so.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 07:08 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 14 August 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

Maybe Athens did not exist under that name, but the area was inhabited for many millennia:

The oldest known human presence in Athens is the Cave of Schist, which has been dated to between the 11th and 7th millennium BC. Athens has been continuously inhabited for at least 7000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens
But, I very much doubt that the Cave of Schist people mustered up tens or hundreds of thousands of citizen soldiers and marched out and beat the Continent of Atlantis and their supposedly more advanced professional army. The story reads like a Bible Story where Aaron or Moses does something and a handful of Israelites takes out ten times their number.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 07:10 PM

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As far as i know 90 degree angles cannot be cut without using tools.
But they do occur naturally.

AFAIK no stone can be cut without using tools. What else is there to use? Fingernails and teeth?

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 07:12 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 14 August 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

But they do occur naturally.

AFAIK no stone can be cut without using tools. What else is there to use? Fingernails and teeth?

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 08:51 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 14 August 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

You can try a stomp dance until it gets tired of you :devil:

With your feet?  :w00t:

I think not.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 08:54 PM

View PostHarte, on 14 August 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

With your feet?  :w00t:

I think not.

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I said he can try, I prefer a pneumatic hammer.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:49 PM

qoute-Some interesting reads for ruins around Bimini probably predating the last iceage............

Forget Bimini I `ve been going around with Gerg Little on this, by the study of the dirt there was not a culture there that predating the last ice age.,or 12,000 years ago.  The  so called stone ankors that he found were only fish holes

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:54 PM

and please don`nt tell me it was all wash away:):):)





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