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#46    Queen in the North

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:17 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 27 January 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

If I need to go to the hospital, damn it, I'm going.
Definitely don't deny yourself professional medical care if you need it, though if possible try to avoid lengthy stays on wards.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

It sounds like we need to use good sense.

I can just imagine what sorts of things the government here would do were some deadly pandemic to start somewhere, considering what happened here during the chicken flu scare.  (Among other things the daily morning chorus of c***-crowing of people keeping cocks for the fighting that sadly goes on here came to a roaring halt as the police rounded them all up.)


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:30 PM

The good sense is the prevention part.

Not understanding how bad the chicken flu was there I cant really say if that was an appropriate response but chickens being a renewable resource...If the diesease was dangerous enough is fully appropriate.

Mad Cow disease is another example where we slaughter animals because of the risk to humans is greater then the need of a few food cows. By the way free ranged animals have much less of these problems and those not fed antibiotics in there food.

Bird flu is the big unknown right now, or avian flu. As birds are everywhere. And it keeps popping up in small clusters.

Edited by AsteroidX, 27 January 2013 - 02:31 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 03:08 PM

View PostKing Fluffs, on 26 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

We actually need a superbug.

The Earth's population is sky rocketing and we won't be able to cope much longer.
Thinking about this... While I don't wish an incurable bacterial infection on anyone, it could be seen as Nature sorting out the problems of overpopulation. The people who will - and do, now - fall to these superbugs are the people who are already sick, in beds on hospital wards. The healthier part of population will find it easier to avoid... except in childbirth. We will go back to a world where everywhere mother and child die in childbirth frequently, and I think that is how the superbugs could 'sort out' the population problems.

I suppose the prevention we were talking about earlier in this case is to not have children - when considering the population issue, I guess the people actually wanting some kind of natural way of getting the population down would say that's win-win?

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 03:13 PM

The human race is dealing with its own population problem just fine and we don't need a plague.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:00 PM

View Postseeder, on 27 January 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

Ok heres some news,

"The flu epidemic has invaded 48 states, overwhelming medical facilities, exhausting vaccine supplies and killing 29 children and thousands of seniors. Both the problem and solution to this disaster hinge on how we relate to animals raised for food".

But the article is biased towards vegan-ism

http://mtstandard.co...19bb2963f4.html

That's not surprising at all.

Flu is dangerous to children and old people, it's always been like that. They have under-developed or weakened immune systems.

The flu is actually resistant to drugs for the most part and not a lot can be done to get rid of it, you just have to let your immune system ride it out. Things like Tamiflu only work for about a day and they only decrease the effects of the virus slightly, they don't get rid of it.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:35 PM

Now for some cheerful news...

Spraying meat with viruses to treat bacteria

How do you combat deadly bacteria on meat? Spray the meat with a virus that eats the bacteria. This solution has been approved in the US by the FDA.





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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

Thanks seeder. Thats all I needed this morning. My bacteria free food is full of viruses. and GMO. My question what happens when it all hits my belly and the viruses start feeding off the GMO ?


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:49 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 27 January 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

Thanks seeder. Thats all I needed this morning. My bacteria free food is full of viruses. and GMO. My question what happens when it all hits my belly and the viruses start feeding off the GMO ?

Its still Sunday night here.. sorry to ruin the breakfast, try muesli?

Makes you wonder tho doesn't it?  Im becoming more of a vegan every day...

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:59 AM

Queen in the North is right. Too many people already. God forbid it should be me or a loved one but look at the big picture. Our 'herd' needs thinning.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:34 AM

Vegies have bacteria to , just cook the heck out of all foods:)


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 28 January 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

Vegies have bacteria to , just cook the heck out of all foods:)

I prefer most veg lightly steamed. Overcooking can also destroy all the goodness in some foods.The problem is if we rid ourselves and food of all bacteria, we have nothing on which to build a defense to it.

Like the pro biotic theories, we need some bacteria!!

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:06 PM

View PostChooky88, on 28 January 2013 - 10:59 AM, said:

Queen in the North is right. Too many people already. God forbid it should be me or a loved one but look at the big picture. Our 'herd' needs thinning.
Outrageous!  Just so long as it doesn't affect you, you intellectually decide it's a good thing if millions die.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:09 PM

If everyone went vegetarian, we would reduce CO2 emissions in half, easily feed twice the present population, and almost entirely eliminate methane emissions.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:53 AM

View PostKing Fluffs, on 26 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

We actually need a superbug.
The Earth's population is sky rocketing and we won't be able to cope much longer.

Well yes. But would you celebrate it if you got it?

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