Mad Manfred Posted November 30, 2004 #1 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Ok, we all know about the recent chip implants in family pets for tracing purposes etc. and we also know about the new "medical chip" which keeps an accurate listing of all your medical needs etc. So we know whats next...implants in children and most adults who volunteer for both tracable purposes and medical and any other reason that may come in handy. My point is...within 10-20 years time these chips will become common and eventually necessary and finally, compulsory within 50 years time. These chips can have personal information for the missing, unidentified corpses, the new credit card, the list goes on and on. There are many pros...though there are just too many cons IMO. So my question is, would you refuse or would you think it a good idea and accept these chips? PS. Please no 666 chip nonsense...lets keep it sensible, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterix Posted November 30, 2004 #2 Share Posted November 30, 2004 When it comes to acceptance, it's all a matter of getting used to it. People are like sheeps. Initially they react badly, but give 'em time and they obey. It's similar with people having to travel with passports and visas (Can you imagine the wrath of a French merchant of the 17th century, upon hearing that he needs special permission and papers to cross the border to Bavaria?) As for the usage. Well...It does have plus, and it does have minuses. For instance, if someone wants to rob you now, they just ask for your wallet. If in the future they know that your pin codes are stored in your palm, what are they gonna do? Cut your arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athenian Posted November 30, 2004 #3 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Do not worry, Humanity's corruption shall not go that far. The world will be in chaos soon enough to stop your dreams of the magnificent materialistic future your government and scientists promise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted November 30, 2004 #4 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Yes, well, regardless of the eternally imminent end-of-the-world-as-we-know scenario (which is not the point of this thread), it I will take the implant, as I have already had two credit cards stolen, and am currently on my fifth passport (I travel quite a bit). Having a chip in hand, literally, would be an immense convenience for me. Incidentally, I am unaware of any subdermal chip that stores anything other than an assigned number. The "medical chip" that holds everything anyone would want to know about you is, as far as I have been able to determine, a myth created by the paranoia concerning the NWO. On that subject, the traceability of these chips is similar to that of credit cards; it doesn't actively emit some signal that would allow anyone to find you wherever you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted November 30, 2004 #5 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Yes, well, regardless of the eternally imminent end-of-the-world-as-we-know scenario (which is not the point of this thread), it I will take the implant, as I have already had two credit cards stolen, and am currently on my fifth passport (I travel quite a bit). Having a chip in hand, literally, would be an immense convenience for me. well thats all fine and well but i am neither absent minded nor a dog so the day someone tries to force an implant on me is the day i will revolt-i dont loose my wallet and wouldnt mind keeping a special watch or ring that could perform the same functions but forced implants or tatoos(even the invisible ink type) is crossing he line in my humble opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celumnaz Posted November 30, 2004 #6 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Won't take one, but it won't be a problem, will just be culled purged cause I'm not a scientific socialist type. No problem there, would only put up a fight if they tried to force one on me before the purging, otherwise, baaaaa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 1, 2004 #7 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I don't think they'll ever need to be forced on anyone. It will simply be optional, and eventually it will be done at birth, in as regular a manner as a circumcision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Manfred Posted December 1, 2004 Author #8 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Yes, well, regardless of the eternally imminent end-of-the-world-as-we-know scenario (which is not the point of this thread), it I will take the implant, as I have already had two credit cards stolen, and am currently on my fifth passport (I travel quite a bit). Having a chip in hand, literally, would be an immense convenience for me. Incidentally, I am unaware of any subdermal chip that stores anything other than an assigned number. The "medical chip" that holds everything anyone would want to know about you is, as far as I have been able to determine, a myth created by the paranoia concerning the NWO. On that subject, the traceability of these chips is similar to that of credit cards; it doesn't actively emit some signal that would allow anyone to find you wherever you are. 378820[/snapback] Oh the medical chip is definitely real...Australian's have been working on it for some time now and I believe it's already being tested as we speak. I remember because they were making a real hoo-ha about it being a breach of privacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 1, 2004 #9 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nope, sorry, still unable to find anything about a medical chip containing anything more than an ID number. Every single website referencing the chip, even the Australian ones, refer to it as the Verichip, which contains only a 256 character number, which is then used to bring up the data from a data bank. There is absolutely no personal information on the chip itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Manfred Posted December 1, 2004 Author #10 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nope, sorry, still unable to find anything about a medical chip containing anything more than an ID number. Every single website referencing the chip, even the Australian ones, refer to it as the Verichip, which contains only a 256 character number, which is then used to bring up the data from a data bank. There is absolutely no personal information on the chip itself. 379680[/snapback] Hmm, honestly I don't know much about it. I heard it on the news a few weeks ago. May still be in the early stages. Or it could be the one you're talking about. About the "credit card" chip...you'd honestly have it done? You aren't afraid someone might cut your hand off or pin you down and "swipe" your info? Much more risky IMO. It invites much more desperate measures for criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 1, 2004 #11 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Hardly. Credit card theft is a crime of opportunity. No one sets out to steal your credit card; they take it if it is there. It is a relatively safe crime, in that it can be used for a few hours, then abandoned, with no way to trace the crook. Cutting off a hand would be a much bigger criminal act, one which few criminals would be willing to do, and largely useless in result. Wouldn't a cashier be a little curious as to why the criminal was waving a severed hand at the scanner? I'm more afraid of someone stealing my credit card number by peeking over my shoulder than by cutting my hand off. Incidentally, this isn't about medical chips, or credit card chips, or a chip for every occasion. This is one single chip with a number assigned specifically to you, much like your social security number. This number is used by the computer to access your relevant records. A thief would not have access to your records, even if he did have your number, as one of the logical failsafes is that the number be transmitted. It is much easier to protect one single password that is imbedded in your skin and only accessible electronically than any sort of physical document you may have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-La Posted December 1, 2004 #12 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Are we becoming cyborgs? I think that's the start of it. Anyway it is just a matter of convenience and medical safety I prefer something that can be removed at will, so I can still change my mind if I want to. I don't really see the point of a permanent installation unless it's for tracking purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 1, 2004 #13 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Considering the advanced technology of prosthetics, yes, I think we have already begun down the path towards the true cyborg. Regardless, the entire purpose of a permanent installation is to remove the possibility of another person stealing your identity. An ID card can be taken from you. A credit card can be taken from you. Trying to steal a chip the size of a rice grain that will deactivate the moment it leaves your skin is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zukie&jim Posted December 1, 2004 #14 Share Posted December 1, 2004 well this chip , however good intentioned--well you know the old saying-- "the highway to hell is paved with good intentions!" another job opp for hackers--lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looter Posted December 1, 2004 #15 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I was thinking what parts of the body you could replace and have it still be you, I can imagine a mechanical heart, but what if you got an artificial brain, would you still be you. So i looked it up on the internet and I found this site ElectricBrain.com and they've used the most advanced 21st Century technology to create an artificial brain, its upgradable and can hook up to the internet. So I tried it and you wouldnt believe how fantastic it is. I can think about a thousand times faster now, and I dont need sleep or get bored or have troubled concentrating. I can basically work nonstop now and do several projects similtaneously. I work for a major company programing in machine code, I make $100,000 an hour. I have the same personality I had before, Im just as witty and charming as I was before but I do tire of my slow thinking friends with their biologic brains and they have heard enough of the advantages of an electric brain and my superior abilities, such as being able to type at 100000 words per minute, my photographic memory, and ability to create jpg images etc etc. Anyway go to their site, tell them I sent your, keep an open mind and just try it out, I guarantee you wont go back. The best part is that I get to live forever because even when my physical body dies they can take my electric brain and transplant it into a new body! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted December 1, 2004 #16 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I will never take any implant or chip. My ID, bank cards, credit cards, passports, social security numbers, and drivers liscence has been enough identity for people to get through life for hundereds of years. Why would we need chips, other than as another form of Big Brother's control? I won't take a thumb print scan either. DMV's in texas are making people give a thumb print scan to reniew their Liscences. This is grossly unnessesary. Only criminals have their prints taken. The constitution says we are innocent until proven guilty, and I refuse to give up my privacy (biometrics or otherwise) simply because the government says so. Fools always say, "Well, I have nothing to hide, so I don't mind." Do you really have NOTHING to hide? What about common privacy people? What if you have a penis infection years ago, would you want to hide that? Every human alive has a commoin right to privacy as long as it is not related to criminal offense. If innocent people in Texas don't want to give up their thumbprints (like common criminals) they shouldn't have to. This allows the government to track every single thing you ever touch!!! Do you really trust the government THAT MUCH? I sure as hell don't. I don't even trust myself that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted December 1, 2004 #17 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Aww christ whats with this influx of children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted December 1, 2004 #18 Share Posted December 1, 2004 A funny joke, for sure. What's even funnier is that a gaurentee you people believed it and didn't even check the site! *laughs* Sheep.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted December 1, 2004 #19 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Fools always say, "Well, I have nothing to hide, so I don't mind." Do you really have NOTHING to hide? What about common privacy people? What if you have a penis infection years ago, would you want to hide that? Ahh, well, thx for calling me a fool. I really couldnt care less if some computer has it on record that I had a penis infection years ago, seeing as how it'd be in my medical record anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted December 1, 2004 #20 Share Posted December 1, 2004 In regards to the child influx: I don't know man, but I would seriously appreciate certain forms that needed some kind of age verification to gain access to. Only a child would make that joke, and only a child would believe it. As your quote says, I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed oponent. The problem with children, as Oscar Wilde said, is that they "know" everything, and refuse to acknowledge their own folley. I was no different as a witless child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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