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### #10366 Knul

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:04 PM

Abramelin, on 20 February 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

Yes, it appears the copying was done in a hurry when you consider the many mistakes and spelling errors and things that were left/forgotten.

But this I don't get: you said, "the Pre-Roman old Frisians used the Roman decimals". No they didn't they used decimals, not Roman decimals. Even their ciphers are based on the decimal system ( = based on 10 ), but the way they are written is obviously based on the medieval Hindu-Arab ciphers.

I think it were the Gauls who used a sytem based on 20: a remnant of that system can still be found in for instance French: quatre-vingt = 4 x 20 = 80. I think the Germans already used the decimal system during or before Roman times.

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Dunno, but I think I was wrong with Germans using the decimal system (base 10):

http://en.wikipedia....simal#In_Europe

The vigesimal system appears to have been widely used all over Europe.

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According to the OLB the Frisians were there long before the Gauls, the Celts and the Romans. How could they use the vigesimal Gallic or Roman decimal system ? As far as the Gauls are concerned. Didn't they derive their name from Gallus = Haan ?

Edited by Knul, 20 February 2012 - 02:05 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:22 PM

Knul, on 20 February 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

According to the OLB the Frisians were there long before the Gauls, the Celts and the Romans. How could they use the vigesimal Gallic or Roman decimal system ? As far as the Gauls are concerned. Didn't they derive their name from Gallus = Haan ?

You can find people using the vigesimal system all over the world and in ancient time (10 fingers + 10 toes = 20 digits).

And you keep saying "Roman decimal system", but I'm sure you mean "decimal system".

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Gauls from Gallus is nothing but 'folk etymology', later adopted by the French.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 04:19 PM

Gallic

1670s, from L. Gallicus "pertaining to Gaul or the Gauls," from L. Gallia "Gaul" and Gallus "a Gaul" from a native Celtic name (see Gaelic), though some connect the word with prehistoric W.Gmc. *walkhoz "foreigners" (see Welsh). Originally used in English rhetorically or mockingly for "French." The rooster as a symbol of France is based on the pun of Gallus "a Gaul" and L. gallus "rooster."

http://www.etymonlin...p?search=gallus

From the OLB:

Tha Gola, alsa heton tha saendalinga prestera Sydon-is.
Dutch:    De Gola, alzo heten de zendeling priesters Sydon's.
English: The Gola, as the missionary priests of Sydon were called.

תרנגול (tarnegól) m.

Of Sumerian: Tarlugal (Bird of the King), loaned by Assyrian and onwards to Talmudic Hebrew.

1.rooster, c.ock, chicken

http://en.wiktionary...ki/תרנגול

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Edited by Abramelin, 20 February 2012 - 05:16 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 06:43 PM

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And that one 'anonymous' user is ME.

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### #10370 Knul

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:00 AM

Abramelin, on 20 February 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

Gallic

1670s, from L. Gallicus "pertaining to Gaul or the Gauls," from L. Gallia "Gaul" and Gallus "a Gaul" from a native Celtic name (see Gaelic), though some connect the word with prehistoric W.Gmc. *walkhoz "foreigners" (see Welsh). Originally used in English rhetorically or mockingly for "French." The rooster as a symbol of France is based on the pun of Gallus "a Gaul" and L. gallus "rooster."

http://www.etymonlin...p?search=gallus

From the OLB:

Tha Gola, alsa heton tha saendalinga prestera Sydon-is.
Dutch:    De Gola, alzo heten de zendeling priesters Sydon's.
English: The Gola, as the missionary priests of Sydon were called.

תרנגול (tarnegól) m.

Of Sumerian: Tarlugal (Bird of the King), loaned by Assyrian and onwards to Talmudic Hebrew.

1.rooster, c.ock, chicken

http://en.wiktionary...%92%D7%95%D7%9C

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I came across a very interesting publication on the item Gola Gallus. s. http://books.google....iesters&f=false see page 162 line 2 and 5, which will certainly clarify the matter. When you look at this book, please have a look on page 5 (*) as well about the name of the Celts and Gauls. On page 39 the flood of 1220 BC is mentioned. Unfortunately the book is in Dutch.

GALLUS (Γάλλος: Lefke), a small river of Bithynia, having its sources near Modra in the north of Phrygia, and emptying itself into the Sangarius a little more than 300 stadia from Nicomedeia, (Strab. xii. p.543.) Ammianus Marcellinus describes its course as very winding (26.8). Martianus Capella (6.687, ed. Kopp) confounds this river with another of the same name in Galatia, which seems likewise to have been a tributary of the Sangarius, and on the banks of which Pessinus is said to have been situated, From the river Gallus in Galatia the Galli, or priests of Cybele, were said by some to have derived their name, because its water made those who drank of it mad. (Steph. B. sub voce Plin. Nat. 5.42, 6.1, 31.5; Herodian, 1.11; Ov. Fast. 4.364.)  s. Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography, illustrated by numerous engravings on wood. William Smith, LLD. London. Walton and Maberly, Upper Gower Street and Ivy Lane, Paternoster Row; John Murray, Albemarle Street. 1854.

In: Lacus Curtius: http://penelope.uchi...GRA*/Galli.html

Galli
Article by Leonhard Schmitz, Ph.D., F.R.S.E., Rector of the High School of Edinburgh
on pp566‑567 of

William Smith, D.C.L., LL.D.:
A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities, John Murray, London, 1875.

<p class="start justify">GALLI, the priests of Cybele, whose worship was introduced at Rome from Phrygia, in B.C. 204 (Liv. XXIX.10, 14, XXXVI.36). The Galli were, according to an ancient custom, always castrated (spadones, semimares, semivir, nec viri nec feminae), and it would seem that impelled by religious fanaticism they performed this operation on themselves (Juv. VI.512, &c.; Ovid, Fast. IV.237; Martial, III.81, XI.74; Plin. H. N. XI.49). In their wild, enthusiastic, and boisterous rites, they resembled the Corybantes (Lucan. I.565, &c.; compare Hilaria), and even went further, in as much, as in their fury, they mutilated their own bodies (Propert. II.18.15). They seem to have been always chosen from a poor and despised class of people, for while no other priests were allowed to beg, the Galli (famuli Idaeae matris) were allowed to do so on certain days (Cic. de Leg. II.9and 16). The chief priest among them was called archigallus (Servius, ad Aen. IX.116). The origin of the name of Galli is uncertain; according to Festus, (s.v.), Ovid (Fast. IV.363), and others, it was derived from the river Gallus in Phrygia, which flowed near the temple of Cybele, and the water of which was fabled to put those persons who drank of it into such a state of madness, that they castrated themselves (Compare Plin. H. N. V.42, XI.40, XXXI.2; Herodian. 11). The supposition of Hieronymus (Cap. Oseae, 4) that Galli was the name of the Gauls, which had been given to these priests by the Romans in order to show their contempt of that nation, is unfounded, as the Romans must have received the name from Asia, or from the Greeks, by whom, as Suidas (s.v.) informs us, Gallus was used as a common noun in the sense of eunuch. There exists a verb gallare, which signifies to rage (insanare, bacchari), and p567which occurs in one of the fragments of Varro (p273, ed. Bip.) and in the Antholog. Lat. vol. I p34, ed. Burmann.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT REFERS GALLUS TO GOLEM.

Edited by Knul, 21 February 2012 - 01:19 AM.

### #10371 Abramelin

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:04 AM

Knul, on 21 February 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

I came across a very interesting publication on the item Gola Gallus. s. http://books.google....iesters&f=false see page 162 line 2 and 5, which will certainly clarify the matter. When you look at this book, please have a look on page 5 (*) as well about the name of the Celts and Gauls. On page 39 the flood of 1220 BC is mentioned. Unfortunately the book is in Dutch.

GALLUS (Γάλλος: Lefke), a small river of Bithynia, having its sources near Modra in the north of Phrygia, and emptying itself into the Sangarius a little more than 300 stadia from Nicomedeia, (Strab. xii. p.543.) Ammianus Marcellinus describes its course as very winding (26.8). Martianus Capella (6.687, ed. Kopp) confounds this river with another of the same name in Galatia, which seems likewise to have been a tributary of the Sangarius, and on the banks of which Pessinus is said to have been situated, From the river Gallus in Galatia the Galli, or priests of Cybele, were said by some to have derived their name, because its water made those who drank of it mad. (Steph. B. sub voce Plin. Nat. 5.42, 6.1, 31.5; Herodian, 1.11; Ov. Fast. 4.364.)  s. Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography, illustrated by numerous engravings on wood. William Smith, LLD. London. Walton and Maberly, Upper Gower Street and Ivy Lane, Paternoster Row; John Murray, Albemarle Street. 1854.

In: Lacus Curtius: http://penelope.uchi...GRA*/Galli.html

Galli
Article by Leonhard Schmitz, Ph.D., F.R.S.E., Rector of the High School of Edinburgh
on pp566‑567 of

William Smith, D.C.L., LL.D.:
A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities, John Murray, London, 1875.

<p class="start justify">GALLI, the priests of Cybele, whose worship was introduced at Rome from Phrygia, in B.C. 204 (Liv. XXIX.10, 14, XXXVI.36). The Galli were, according to an ancient custom, always castrated (spadones, semimares, semivir, nec viri nec feminae), and it would seem that impelled by religious fanaticism they performed this operation on themselves (Juv. VI.512, &c.; Ovid, Fast. IV.237; Martial, III.81, XI.74; Plin. H. N. XI.49). In their wild, enthusiastic, and boisterous rites, they resembled the Corybantes (Lucan. I.565, &c.; compare Hilaria), and even went further, in as much, as in their fury, they mutilated their own bodies (Propert. II.18.15). They seem to have been always chosen from a poor and despised class of people, for while no other priests were allowed to beg, the Galli (famuli Idaeae matris) were allowed to do so on certain days (Cic. de Leg. II.9and 16). The chief priest among them was called archigallus (Servius, ad Aen. IX.116). The origin of the name of Galli is uncertain; according to Festus, (s.v.), Ovid (Fast. IV.363), and others, it was derived from the river Gallus in Phrygia, which flowed near the temple of Cybele, and the water of which was fabled to put those persons who drank of it into such a state of madness, that they castrated themselves (Compare Plin. H. N. V.42, XI.40, XXXI.2; Herodian. 11). The supposition of Hieronymus (Cap. Oseae, 4) that Galli was the name of the Gauls, which had been given to these priests by the Romans in order to show their contempt of that nation, is unfounded, as the Romans must have received the name from Asia, or from the Greeks, by whom, as Suidas (s.v.) informs us, Gallus was used as a common noun in the sense of eunuch. There exists a verb gallare, which signifies to rage (insanare, bacchari), and p567which occurs in one of the fragments of Varro (p273, ed. Bip.) and in the Antholog. Lat. vol. I p34, ed. Burmann.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT REFERS GALLUS TO GOLEM.

Interesting book, Menno.

However, the flood you say happened in 1220 BC most probably happened 1220 years after the Creation; it doesn't say BC (or "voor Christus" in Dutch).

And yes, I don't think GOLEM will really bring us any further.

But I think the link between the OLB "GOLA" from Sidon are/were the Jews.

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Edited by Abramelin, 21 February 2012 - 08:59 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:51 AM

Abramelin, on 14 February 2011 - 07:47 PM, said:

Something better (and I already posted about the next guy in post 463, page 31):

-In 1999 pubiceerde Joël Vandemaele  in zijn boek "Controversiele Geschiedenis" zijn onderzoek naar de plaatsen die genoemd worden in het Oera Linda Boek, in relatie tot plaatsen in het huidige Noord Frankrijk en West-Vlaanderen. Mede gebaseerd op de studies van Albert Delahay en anderen. (zie kaart)

In his book "Controversial History" (1999), Joel Vandemaele published his research on the places mentioned in the Oera Linda Book, in relation to current locations in present Northern France and Western Flanders. Partly based on the studies of Albert Delahay and others. (see map)

http://home.planet.n....5.atlantis.htm

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-J.Vandemaele vermeldt één plaatsbepaling in het OLB van Atlantis, "Ons voormalige westland, rechtover Brittannia gelegen" De plaatsbepaling correspondeert met Oud-Frisia "usque ad Armorem" uit Karel de Grote's Lex Frisonum, nl. tot aan Bretagne met de nederzetting van Kerenak of Carnac, waar "het goud van de Golen verzameld was, dat Askar uit OLB ging roven".

J. Vandemaele lists one location of Atlantis in the OLB, "Our former Westland, located directly opposite Britannia". The location corresponds to Old Frisia 'usque ad Armorem" from Charlemagne's Lex Frisonum, namely up to Brittany with the settlement Kerenak or Carnac, where "the gold of the Gauls had been collected, which  Askar from the OLB was going to rob"

http://www.kunstgeog.../atlantis05.htm

Joël Vandemaele, "Controversiele Geschiedenis" :

http://www.mens-en-c...hiedschrijving/

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I discovered Vandemeale's location of "Atlantis" (oh, help...not again) is based on either a misspelling, or on cleverly adding one extra letter...

There is no "usque ad Armorem" to be found in Charlemagne's Lex Frisionum (and not "Frisonum").

http://www.keesn.nl/lex/
http://www.keesn.nl/...lex_en_text.htm
http://en.wikipedia....i/Lex_Frisionum

But there is an "usque ad Amorem" :

The Amor area has nothing to do with Armorica as Vandemaele wants it to be:

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Edited by Abramelin, 21 February 2012 - 10:53 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 04:05 PM

I have often wondered why nothing about the ancient history and myths of Ireland shows up in the OLB...

Well, maybe because the OLB.... had an Irish predecessor??

Chronicles of Eri: being the history of the Gaal Sciot Iber/ Volume 1 - Roger O'Connor, 1822

This O'Connor claims to have found very ancient manuscripts....

And I found it by accident because I was looking for an English translation of this German book that was published in 1887 (use Google Translator):

Die Gaelischen Annalen. Nach der Übertragung O'Connor's (Gebundene Ausgabe)

http://www.amazon.de...w/RVD9LS6GL50J2

Armanen Verlag, ca. 96 Seiten, Faksimile-Ausgabe der 2. Auflage von 1887

5000 Jahre vorgeschichtliche Chronik der Kelten. Aus den geheimen Aufzeichnungen einer irischen Sippe
von O'Connor, mit Erläuterungen von Wilhelm Obermüller
Armanen

Wohl eine der größten Raritäten auf dem antiquarischen Buchmarkt sind die zuletzt im Jahr 1887 in Wien erschienenen 'Gaelischen Annalen' nach der Übertragung O'Connors. Es handelt sich bei diesen 'Jahrbüchern der Gaelag' um eine uralte Chronik altkeltischer bzw. vorkeltischer Stämme, die eine ebenso abenteuerliche Geschichte hinter sich haben, und denen auch eine ähnliche Bedeutung zukommt wie der berühmten 'Ura-Linda-Chronik' in der Übertragung von Prof. Hermann Wirth.

Da diese Jahrbücher weit in die vorchristliche Zeit vorgreifen, erhellen sie weithin unbekannte Teile der alt- bzw. vorkeltischen Stammes- und Siedlungsgeschichte, verbunden mit genauen Angaben der Regierungszeiten und Namen der Herrscherhäuser, der Sitten und des Brauchtums, in den Räumen Großbritanniens, Vorderasiens, des Kaukasus bis hin nach Spanien und dem Baskenlande.
In diesen Jahrbüchern, die mit dem Jahre 1006 v. Chr (BC). abschließen, erscheinen nur, auf das genaueste eingetragen, wichtigste Ereignisse, wie z.B. der Durchbruch der Landenge von Calais, wodurch sich der 'Ärmelkanal' bildete, u.v.a.

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The next may give you a headache, but it is about the contents of this book:

Chronicles of Eri: History of the Gaal Sciot Iber or the Irish People, translated from the original Manuscripts (1822):

http://www.ricorso.n....htm#Chronicles

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Edited by Abramelin, 21 February 2012 - 04:30 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:34 PM

And here is the German translation/editon, published in 1838:

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17.5 MB (496 pages):
http://digital.nls.u...52/78526210.pdf

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Edited by Abramelin, 21 February 2012 - 06:04 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:40 PM

2170 BC.

Now that is conveniently close (a generation only) to the 2194 BC date.

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Are there no Irish (or Scots) around to comment on this book written/published by O'Connor in 1822 ??

It is YOUR early version of the "Oera Linda Book", ok?

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Edited by Abramelin, 21 February 2012 - 06:53 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 07:53 PM

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It is YOUR early version of the "Oera Linda Book", ok?

Much like every other post-Christianized version of Ancient Irish history to the time of Christ, it's a work of fiction. OK?

cormac

The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction, we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined, were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians. --  Plato's Timaeus

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:00 PM

cormac mac airt, on 21 February 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Much like every other post-Christianized version of Ancient Irish history to the time of Christ, it's a work of fiction. OK?

cormac

Yes, I agree, but the difference is this: O'Conner claims to have translated from ancient manuscripts ("Phoenician/Scythic"), about 40 years before Cornelis Over de Linden claimed something similar with his ancient "family chronicle".

Even the date of the Deluge according to O'Connor is close to the OLB date of 2194 BC (2170 BC).

To me it seems an Over de Linden got inspired by O'Connors fabrication of ancient Irish history.

Frisians vs. Hollanders

Irish vs. English.

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Edited by Abramelin, 21 February 2012 - 08:11 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:19 PM

Look at the birds.... they fly and fly, and they dont give a flying **** about our pity problems.

Are they careless? No, of course they are not.

We are just not that 'important' to them at all.

And that is the thought to end this day, my compadres.

We are nothing but sht.

Dung.

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Edited by Abramelin, 21 February 2012 - 09:33 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:35 PM

Abramelin, on 21 February 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Yes, I agree, but the difference is this: O'Conner claims to have translated from ancient manuscripts ("Phoenician/Scythic"), about 40 years before Cornelis Over de Linden claimed something similar with his ancient "family chronicle".

Even the date of the Deluge according to O'Connor is close to the OLB date of 2194 BC (2170 BC).

To me it seems an Over de Linden got inspired by O'Connors fabrication of ancient Irish history.

Frisians vs. Hollanders

Irish vs. English.

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Yeah, and O'Conner's claims are just as meaningless since there's no evidence these ancient manuscripts ever existed. But basing one fabrication off of another? Yeah, why not?

cormac

The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction, we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined, were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians. --  Plato's Timaeus

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:50 PM

cormac mac airt, on 21 February 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Yeah, and O'Conner's claims are just as meaningless since there's no evidence these ancient manuscripts ever existed. But basing one fabrication off of another? Yeah, why not?

cormac

Hello. I do know O'Connors claims are meaningless.

I just wanted to say..... oh, never mind.

Cormac. I really AM a skeptic.

But.. I am not a prick.

I have my moments of fantasy, please excuse me.

But there is the difference: I DO know I am having a fantasy.

And that is contrary to what many others here post as their 'beliesf'.

I have NO belief. I DOUBT.

And that is why I often talk from where the sun doesnt shine.

Bye, and have a good sleep/

Edited by Abramelin, 21 February 2012 - 09:54 PM.