Snow Levels Cause Democrats to Demand Action

[Caesar]

Here are Liberal Democrats on lack of snow threw the years due to global warming.

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[ninjadude]

in other news, it snows in the winter. It's warm in the summer and it's nightime where I am. Global warming does indeed predict the snow that happened and was explained in considerable detail.

[Caesar]

in other news, it snows in the winter. It's warm in the summer and it's nightime where I am. Global warming does indeed predict the snow that happened and was explained in considerable detail.

No, we have debunked those articles you posted. its easy going into considerable detail in the middle of all the snow storms.

[Esoteric Toad]

I wonder at what point those that support global warming would concede that there isn't anything called global warming? 5 years of average weather, 50 years, 500 years? The idea of long term climate change does not surprise me, I only wonder if maybe it *might* be a bit presumptious to blame it on man. I know those that support 'man made global warning' will point at papers and statistics, just as those that do not support it. In my opinion you do not force the economies of the world to fit a plan to stop something that may not be stoppable, at least not with the technology we have at our disposal. Even if statistics 'support' that since man became industrialized weather patterns have changed does not mean that it is the cause. The earth has been around for something like 3.5 or 4 billion years. We've been measuring stats for what, 0.000000125 times earths existance (500 years..just a guess). So, even if it's been 2000 years, how can we possibly be so sure about anything at all when it comes to long term change in our environment.

PS- I am not against cleaning up the environment and whatnot, but I am a realist with regards to governments cooperating globally with these sorts of crisis (whether real or imagined). I cannot see countries such as China or India adopting completely any ideas that would stifle their growth. I think that unless there is irrefutable evidence (and sorry there are just as many things out there that point the other direction) one cannot expect developed countries to cripple themselves economically to save those that will not do the same. JMO

[ninjadude]

ok from now on, every time you guys whine about the weather, I'm going to remind you that Climate Change predicts more and stronger extreme weather events. And when you're swirling in hurricanes, tornadoes, flood, and drought, I will remind you about your indifference. And expect you to pay your own way for ignoring the predictions.

[Caesar]

ok from now on, every time you guys whine about the weather, I'm going to remind you that Climate Change predicts more and stronger extreme weather events. And when you're swirling in hurricanes, tornadoes, flood, and drought, I will remind you about your indifference. And expect you to pay your own way for ignoring the predictions.

LMAO it sounds like a deal, infact, you may leave a courtesy reminder and thoughts on my profile if you would like.

[ninjadude]

I wonder at what point those that support global warming would concede that there isn't anything called global warming? 5 years of average weather, 50 years, 500 years? The idea of long term climate change does not surprise me, I only wonder if maybe it *might* be a bit presumptious to blame it on man. I know those that support 'man made global warning' will point at papers and statistics, just as those that do not support it. In my opinion you do not force the economies of the world to fit a plan to stop something that may not be stoppable, at least not with the technology we have at our disposal. Even if statistics 'support' that since man became industrialized weather patterns have changed does not mean that it is the cause. The earth has been around for something like 3.5 or 4 billion years. We've been measuring stats for what, 0.000000125 times earths existance (500 years..just a guess). So, even if it's been 2000 years, how can we possibly be so sure about anything at all when it comes to long term change in our environment.

PS- I am not against cleaning up the environment and whatnot, but I am a realist with regards to governments cooperating globally with these sorts of crisis (whether real or imagined). I cannot see countries such as China or India adopting completely any ideas that would stifle their growth. I think that unless there is irrefutable evidence (and sorry there are just as many things out there that point the other direction) one cannot expect developed countries to cripple themselves economically to save those that will not do the same. JMO

When those darn statistics you fear stop showing global warming. "Blaming" it on man is based on science not presumption. Your opinion doesn't really change the facts. Climate is certainly capable of being modified with existing technology - we're doing it now. In fact, far more than you apparently are aware of. Yes the earth is very old and yes we have been monitoring it for a fraction of that time. So what? That's not the issue now is it? The fact is that climate is being forced now, today, more than is cyclical. Your realist ideas are out of touch as well. China and India ARE adopting ideas to clean up and to address climate change. In fact, much more than the US. But then it's easy to cover one's ears and sing lalalalalalala.

[Esoteric Toad]

When those darn statistics you fear stop showing global warming. "Blaming" it on man is based on science not presumption. Your opinion doesn't really change the facts. Climate is certainly capable of being modified with existing technology - we're doing it now. In fact, far more than you apparently are aware of. Yes the earth is very old and yes we have been monitoring it for a fraction of that time. So what? That's not the issue now is it? The fact is that climate is being forced now, today, more than is cyclical. Your realist ideas are out of touch as well. China and India ARE adopting ideas to clean up and to address climate change. In fact, much more than the US. But then it's easy to cover one's ears and sing lalalalalalala.

So, if we've only collected data for a tiny fraction of the history of the world and because the statistics show changes since we've been keeping records then it MUST be man made 100%? I get what your saying, but an analogy I can think of would go like this: A roaming group of people decide to settle down in a newly discovered valley. They build huts and start farming. After a few years they are startled that the ground seems to shutter ever so slightly now and again. They keep records with dates and times and create a scale so that they can look back and see if there is a pattern to these tremors. Decades pass and the village grows and the people notice that the tremors are getting stronger. They begin to say it is our fault, the weight of our buildings is causing this, the number of villagers is causing this - something must be done. In their preception it is their fault when in fact the problem was there all along. So using your logic they should iniate population control, move away or destroy their buildings! The ground may or may not shake again, but the changes will still have been made.

What parts of China's government do you trust? The part that tells you they are being spiffy clean nice guys OR the ones that kill, imprison and censor their own populace? There is already enough hipocracy regarding the Chinese government and the US...please let's not add another.

India has a huge population with an exploding middle class....all clammering for crappy exhaust spewing cars, are you going to tell them that they cannot have them (good luck with that)? I'll bet they are pushing for some green stuff, but I'll bet it will not undo those millions of vehicles nor all the undeveloped villages, towns and cites there.

AND YES it does matter how long we have been keeping track, as you said, climate is cyclic, we cannot see the future and yet that is exactly what you are saying we can do. We can predict the future, if we have enough data, and what we have is that tiny, tiny fraction of the earths existance, I wonder if that is truly enough.

Sell green living, green energy, green products...but I assure you that if governments start mandating business out of business due to global warming the people themselves will revolt. If I have to choose between a living wage and supporting my family versus the threat of global warming, myself and billions of others will choose our families.

As I said, JMO.

[Caesar]

When those darn statistics you fear stop showing global warming. "Blaming" it on man is based on science not presumption. Your opinion doesn't really change the facts. Climate is certainly capable of being modified with existing technology - we're doing it now. In fact, far more than you apparently are aware of. Yes the earth is very old and yes we have been monitoring it for a fraction of that time. So what? That's not the issue now is it? The fact is that climate is being forced now, today, more than is cyclical. Your realist ideas are out of touch as well. China and India ARE adopting ideas to clean up and to address climate change. In fact, much more than the US. But then it's easy to cover one's ears and sing lalalalalalala.

Science from the IPCC?

China and India never bought into Kyoto or taken any action on this religion, infact I would say the U.K. and Sweden are the only nations that plan on meeting such goals of CO2 reduction.

[ninjadude]

So, if we've only collected data for a tiny fraction of the history of the world and because the statistics show changes since we've been keeping records then it MUST be man made 100%?

I didn't say that. I said it appears to be forced by humans more than can be accounted for by cyclical variation.

What parts of China's government do you trust?

What does trust in China's government have to do with addressing climate change in China? nothing.

India has (irrelevant stuff deleted)

irrelevant.

AND YES it does matter how long we have been keeping track, as you said, climate is cyclic, we cannot see the future and yet that is exactly what you are saying we can do. We can predict the future, if we have enough data, and what we have is that tiny, tiny fraction of the earths existance, I wonder if that is truly enough.

We can indeed forecast climate. It is truly enough.

Sell green living, green energy, green products...but I assure you that if governments start mandating business out of business due to global warming the people themselves will revolt.

It is what they've already asked and voted for.

[ninjadude]

Science from the IPCC?

China and India never bought into Kyoto or taken any action on this religion, infact I would say the U.K. and Sweden are the only nations that plan on meeting such goals of CO2 reduction.

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[danielost]

ok from now on, every time you guys whine about the weather, I'm going to remind you that Climate Change predicts more and stronger extreme weather events. And when you're swirling in hurricanes, tornadoes, flood, and drought, I will remind you about your indifference. And expect you to pay your own way for ignoring the predictions.

sounds like normal weather to me.

[Ryinrea]

Nasa is were I get my infomation, since they view Climate from space.

More extreme weather imaging a super hurricane that can cover eight miles of land with level 5 winds, and gust hitting land. I am not trying to scare people, but I just saw this on Mega disasters one night, and that could be an example of Extreme weather changes.

Effects of Climate Change

The funny thing is, that republicans hate it, since Al gore is a figure head in this. It a real hack job when you ignore the science behind it

Edited February 13, 2010 by Ryinrea

[Professor Buzzkill]

Reading Nasa's article it can be safely said that they have an agenda, here is a qoute from your second link.

Global climate change has already had observable effects on the environment. Glaciers have shrunk, ice on rivers and lakes is breaking up earlier, plant and animal ranges have shifted and trees are flowering sooner.

Glaciers (even the most exposed ones) take hundreds of years to respond to warming, so that the melting you are seeing now is a result of warmth hundreds of years ago. NASA should know this.

Also, its all about LACK of ice instead of the worst global winter in hundreds of years.

That website reaks of propaganda and has "facts" that just are not true. Including stating that sea level rises are accelerating (without saying that total sea level rise in the last 100 years is less then 1cm).

Are nasa trying to get a hand in the cookie jar here now that they have lost all funding for future manned space missions? They might find themselve obsolete, especially if they keep spouting lies.

[Ryinrea]

Since they can, see it from space they can see the effects of the ice melting.

The website is not propaganda just, because you disagree with it.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Ryinrea

[Caesar]

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China has never taken any action, only claimed about plans

[AROCES]

ok from now on, every time you guys whine about the weather, I'm going to remind you that Climate Change predicts more and stronger extreme weather events. And when you're swirling in hurricanes, tornadoes, flood, and drought, I will remind you about your indifference. And expect you to pay your own way for ignoring the predictions.

Sure, call it extremes so whatever the out come, dry, wet, little of or a lot of you can say it is Global Warming or Climate change since Global Warming sounds rediculous now. You pretty much want to cover it all whatever the weather is, I bet when the weather is mild you will say, the little effort done is effective, now we have to do more to keep the weather mild.

Edited February 14, 2010 by AROCES

[MID]

Here are Liberal Democrats on lack of snow threw the years due to global warming.

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It's been several years of rapid-fire comedy coming out of these people.

A year later Bob Kennedy Jr. was harping about the same things...and now, the media's pushing the idea that the record snowfalls in Washington DC are due to the same thing.

Funny he didn't mentionn the fact that Alaska had record snowfalls that year, enough to force moose into the streets of Anchorage because they couldn't function in all the snow to the north...

They can always find a way to blame everything on climate change, rather than wake up and see the fact that it's all nature. Mild winters and severe ones have always occurred cyclically...everywhere. And so have mild and severely hot summers.

And we're supposed to do something about it! As if humans could do anything to effect the planet's climate...

The idea is so ludicrous that it's now become simply comedy.

[ninjadude]

Glaciers (even the most exposed ones) take hundreds of years to respond to warming, so that the melting you are seeing now is a result of warmth hundreds of years ago. NASA should know this.

This is completely incorrect. Why would you even say such a thing?

China has never taken any action, only claimed about plans

The US has never taken any action AND has NO PLANS.

[Caesar]

The US has never taken any action AND has NO PLANS.

Again only the UK and Sweden are the only nations that ever had a real plan and to follow up on its goals.

[Pseudo Intellectual]

Why would you even say such a thing?

Because he's an evil oil-man, Ninjadude. Pay no attention to these heretics and deniers.

[ninjadude]

Again only the UK and Sweden are the only nations that ever had a real plan and to follow up on its goals.

So we should do nothing because only the UK and Sweden had a real plan and followed up on it. That's sad.

[ninjadude]

Because he's an evil oil-man, Ninjadude. Pay no attention to these heretics and deniers.

Oil is not inherently evil. I make my living indirectly from oil. But I do think oil companies, if they were smart, would get on the green, renewable energy revolution with all the money they're currently making.

[Lord Umbarger]

For me, there are three possible choices for making up your mind on this one.

1). Statistics and papers presented and touted by the Left. = Believe in GlobalWarming/Cooling/ Climatechange

2). Statistics and papers presented and touted by the Right. = Don't believe that it's happening or at least that it's not primarily caused by man.

3). Study history and make up your mind from that. = Understand that it's a bunch of B.S. started by someone that figured they could make money off of it.

I'm old enough to remember when were all going to die in the "New Ice Age" and the "Great Freeze Off". This was a popular feat and belief in the late 1970's and early 1980's. Leonard Nimoys "In Search Of..." was one of the series' that actually did a fairly convincing expose of the cooling climate theory.

History has shown us two things in relation to this...

1). The world has cooled and warmed hundreds of times since life reared it's head. The world was a lot warmer in the time of the dinosaurs and at the dawn of life. We know this. No Al Gore chart show will refute it.

2). We know that every twenty or thirty years, some new theory for the end of the world comes out with a slew of charts and graphs to show us all why we need to spend a fortune on this or that to save ourselves so that we can live just long enough to pick through the bones of a ruined civilization.

One has to weigh this new panic against the very real concern of over burdening the society to the point of ruin just before something real does happen that we might have been able to prevent had we not ship wrecked our civilization out of fear of something that probably won't happen. Just imagine the laughter roaring out from the stars if we destroy our economy out of fear of glaobal freezing/heating/underwear shortages just in time to not be able to afford to defend ourselves from a meteor.

We've gone from hearing how man is "heating up the planet and the recent heat waves prove it" to how global warming "will in fact make it cooler" and now, it's been so screwed up and bent out of shape to fit the facts that we're almost back to worrying about a coming Ice Age again.

If you really want to do something to save the climate, save the humans first. They're the only ones with a chance of deflecting a planet killing asteroid.

Edited February 16, 2010 by Lord Umbarger

[Caesar]

So we should do nothing because only the UK and Sweden had a real plan and followed up on it. That's sad.

Are you saying we should act on the faith of AGW rather then on the facts?