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[Beckys_Mom]

bones101proof, on 23 October 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

I support gay marriage  

Oh great, more fuel for my lover  Mr Lover Lover.. hmmmmm  

This is going to get so exciting now  lol

[QuiteContrary]

Imaginarynumber1, on 23 October 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

I think that there is a clear cultural bias in the industrialized world when it comes to PMS. I don't think that is debatable.

Could you expand on that, thx.

[Imaginarynumber1]

QuiteContrary, on 23 October 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Could you expand on that, thx.

Just that in industrialized cultures women are expected to be crabby and lounge around and be miserable (make me miserable), etc, if/when they have PMS. It seems more of an entitlement in our culture.

If you look at more ancestral cultures, women are the ones that do almost everything, from foraging to cooking, cleaning, etc. while the men mainly just hunt. Day to day life doesn't change no matter how crappy they feel. If you don't go out and gather, people don't eat. So they still tend to their daily duties, even while menstruating.

Obviously, one way is not superior to the other, they are just clear cultural differences.

Edit: If you'll excuse me, I have to get Hammy the Flying Squirrel to this party....

Edited by Imaginarynumber1, 23 October 2012 - 10:31 PM.

[QuiteContrary]

Hasina, on 23 October 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

Say whaaaaaat?!

*commercial break*  I love your hair, Hasina !!! I want it.

[Hasina]

QuiteContrary, on 23 October 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

*commercial break*  I love your hair, Hasina !!! I want it.

Why thank ya! This'll sound weird but look it up, I did it with pastels. Pretty easy to do and washes out quite nicely.

[Beckys_Mom]

Women hate PMS.. I hate how it makes you feel hot......and I hate he mood...

[QuiteContrary]

Imaginarynumber1, on 23 October 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

Just that in industrialized cultures women are expected to be crabby and lounge around and be miserable (make me miserable), etc, if/when they have PMS. It seems more of an entitlement in our culture.

If you look at more ancestral cultures, women are the ones that do almost everything, from foraging to cooking, cleaning, etc. while the men mainly just hunt. Day to day life doesn't change no matter how crappy they feel. If you don't go out and gather, people don't eat. So they still tend to their daily duties, even while menstruating.

Obviously, one way is not superior to the other, they are just clear cultural differences.

Edit: If you'll excuse me, I have to get Hammy the Flying Squirrel to this party....

bolding mine

I don't know any women who take off 1+ days of work every month because the are entitled. Nope, they've got bills to pay and families to feed or they don't eat and have a roof over their head either.

Then this "entitlement"  would also include back pain, joint pain, migraine headaches, allergies, etc,  that men also suffer with.

How do we know if PMS was even physically the same in ancestral cultures? They lived differently, ate differently, may have been pregnant more often or nursed longer.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 23 October 2012 - 10:58 PM.

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QuiteContrary, on 23 October 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

bolding mine

I don't know any women who take off 1+ days of work every month because the are entitled. Nope, they've got bills to pay and families to feed or they don't eat and have a roof over their head either.

Then this "entitlement"  would also include back pain, joint pain, migraine headaches, allergies, etc,  that men also suffer with.

How do we know if PMS was even physically the same in ancestral cultures? They lived differently, ate differently, may have been pregnant more often or nursed longer.

I'm in no way saying that PMS is a myth nor that it does not have very real side effects. Maybe just that women in industrialized cultures wine about it more, for lack of a better term. I'm not belittling PMS in any way.
Ancestral cultures refer to those hunter/gatherer cultures that you find in South America, Africa, etc. "Primitive" some might say.

[Mnemonix]

It says "Thoughts ladies?" in the description of this thread.

So as I'm not a lady, I suppose I can't share my thoughts

And I should get some tips from Mr Right Wing!

[QuiteContrary]

Imaginarynumber1, on 23 October 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

I'm in no way saying that PMS is a myth nor that it does not have very real side effects. Maybe just that women in industrialized cultures wine about it more, for lack of a better term. I'm not belittling PMS in any way.
Ancestral cultures refer to those hunter/gatherer cultures that you find in South America, Africa, etc. "Primitive" some might say.

I hear you, it sounded rough and unfair to my ears.

I'm wondering if in ancestral and present day primitive cultures the women, due to lack of body fat and/or very high physical activity level, may not even cycle every month?

Edited by QuiteContrary, 23 October 2012 - 11:26 PM.

[pallidin]

I'm a male, so I'm not sure about this, but I thought I read somewhere in some medical studies that PMS is a recognized disorder involving certain hormones being either depleted or not working correctly after some cases of female menopause.

Apparently, this does not happen in all women, making the studies difficult to authenticate.

[QuiteContrary]

Mnemonix, on 23 October 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

It says "Thoughts ladies?" in the description of this thread.

So as I'm not a lady, I suppose I can't share my thoughts

And I should get some tips from Mr Right Wing!

Plenty of men are sharing on the thread, so don't feel left out, join in.

[Imaginarynumber1]

QuiteContrary, on 23 October 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

I hear you, it sounded rough and unfair to my ears.

I'm wondering if in ancestral and present day primitive cultures the women, due to lack of body fat and/or activity level, may not even cycle every month?

No problem. I should have been a bit more clear.

They still menstruate every month, though I'm sure there are exceptions. I don't happen to know of any, however.

[QuiteContrary]

Imaginarynumber1, on 23 October 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

No problem. I should have been a bit more clear.

They still menstruate every month, though I'm sure there are exceptions. I don't happen to know of any, however.

Do they nurse longer and get pregnant more often then western industrialized women?

[Beckys_Mom]

Hasina, on 23 October 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Why thank ya! This'll sound weird but look it up, I did it with pastels. Pretty easy to do and washes out quite nicely.

Did you not have a lovely picture of yourself with dark brown hair recently?  If so I liked that one best