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#31    Mr Walker

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:07 AM

View PostSeeker79, on 06 May 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

More advanced aliens will learn to use their minds to travel distances instead of spaceships. There is no need to use the resources to travel great distances when you understand that their are folded dimensions that out number the unfolded ones. No need to go anywhere, because in stirng theory anyway you are already there in seven dimensions. It's merely a matter of tuning your mind into the available information that's right here with you at all times. I suspect many 'spirit' encounters are also extraterrestrial. It sounds a little tin hat like. But the physics is there.

Absolutely.

One can travel the universe and link minds with beings from all parts of  real time /space, and from past times which remain stored in the memory of the cosmic consciousness.

I explain it as being linked into a cosmic consciousnes, which is sort of like a mental internet, and huge hive mind, on steroids. There is a "physical" network of linkages established right through the universe, including within our galaxy, ( the nearest one is physically within our solar system) that were "designed and built" or grown, perhaps, for this purpose, and which can be used by anyone capable of reaching out to them.

I've been using them for over a half century now, since i gained "enlightenment" and access to the cosmic consciousness. I dont give a damn what anyone else believes, this is as real to me as the physical world i live in and share with others, and many of my most wondrous moments, and knowledge and understandings, have come from these travels and the minds I share  in them.

(But Ive had many wondrous moments in my physical life on earth as well and shared much knowledge and understanding with earth intelligences in human bodies.) The universe is a truly wondrous place.

Edited by Mr Walker, 07 May 2013 - 03:14 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:25 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 07 May 2013 - 03:07 AM, said:



Absolutely.

One can travel the universe and link minds with beings from all parts of  real time /space, and from past times which remain stored in the memory of the cosmic consciousness.

I explain it as being linked into a cosmic consciousnes, which is sort of like a mental internet, and huge hive mind, on steroids. There is a "physical" network of linkages established right through the universe, including within our galaxy, ( the nearest one is physically within our solar system) that were "designed and built" or grown, perhaps, for this purpose, and which can be used by anyone capable of reaching out to them.

I've been using them for over a half century now, since i gained "enlightenment" and access to the cosmic consciousness. I dont give a damn what anyone else believes, this is as real to me as the physical world i live in and share with others, and many of my most wondrous moments, and knowledge and understandings, have come from these travels and the minds I share  in them.

(But Ive had many wondrous moments in my physical life on earth as well and shared much knowledge and understanding with earth intelligences in human bodies.) The universe is a truly wondrous place.
I have been wondering MW, at the nature of what we call the "spirit world". It has occurred to me on many occasions that the 'dimension' or 'space' of the spirit world might actually be the experience of moving through this collective mind and it's various niches. After all inside a single mind could be considered a dimension all it's own. Much like cyberspace as you mentioned. I have been to other places aswell, but I wonder if these places are mental constructs of a collective mind. If I can make places in my mind in dreams why can't the collective make vast places in its. Maby physical reality is nothing but a collective mind construct. The dreaming.

Edited by Seeker79, 07 May 2013 - 05:26 AM.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:34 AM

So moving on...

We have discussed the conscience  but will move on to the spirit.

The spirit has a mind and a body just as the physical has a body and  a mind. The physical mind is similar to a animals mind, the spirits mind is the growth of the person in relation to heart, forgiveness, (as we saw in Jesus) .In between these two minds that exist in a horizontal plane is two other other minds. The conscience and The prophets mind.

The prophets mind and the conscience exist in a vertical relationship direct  to God. You can visualise this concept as standing 4 square within yourself, or as a Cross with prophets mind on top , conscience beneath it and physical and spiritual minds on either  side, making a square. (Please note the kingdom of Heaven is also a square with gates.)

Now I know we have all heard our conscience  when we done something we shouldn't, a voice that tells you to say sorry or buy flowers...you conscience pains you, so lets not pretend we don't have a conscience. We also know we have a physical brain, and we have a spiritual brain..so these concepts are nothing new.The conscience is compass, some obviously have a broken or distorted compass that does not point true north.

The prophets mind is another aspect where you receive divine inspiration or food (as in receiving the holy spirit) in divine aspects. The prophets mind allows you to see visions, hear voices and feel comfort in times of deep sorrow with Gods grace.

Now before we get all uppity please remember that this mind called " the prophets mind " was written in the Gospel of Mary as taught by Jesus.  This book by Mary is the oldest direct book we have in history closest to the life of Jesus and was buried by the Asines ( the group Jesus belonged too , as opposed to the Pharisees or Sadducees respectively  ) and is  part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The Prophets mind allows interpretation of dreams as in Joseph's case, revelation or to receive the authority of God, the prophets mind forms a relationship of give and take with Devine spirits and God..


There is one other mind...This is called The Evil Mind.

What is the Evil Mind? This mind is connected to the physical mind only, and lives outside the 4square frame work. It is the remanent of the fall in the garden of Eden. This mind is connected to evil elements and is how we are tempted by lesser Spirits. They form a relationship of give and take with this mind, that mind in turn forms a relationship of give and take with the physical mind. This is how sudden anger, temptation to steal or hurt yourself/others comes from.

You may say that there's 3 distinct levels here : those mostly controlled by the evil mind, those mostly controlled by there physical mind, those who are controlled by the prophets mind ( as in Jesus case for example). I would suggest that most are in the middle with good and bad fighting over them.

This aspect covers the internal relationship we have with ourselves, please view the teaching Jesus gave in the Gospel of Mary. Any one of these minds can take the leading role at times, it's a question of training, reading and understanding scripture is a form of training that we do led by our conscience so it can point true north.

Some of this may be new to you but I'd suggest experiment it for yourself...before making a comment I ask you to be aware where your thinking may be coming from.

Edited by Irrelevant, 07 May 2013 - 08:40 AM.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:39 PM

View PostIrrelevant, on 07 May 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

So moving on...

We have discussed the conscience  but will move on to the spirit.

The spirit has a mind and a body just as the physical has a body and  a mind. The physical mind is similar to a animals mind, the spirits mind is the growth of the person in relation to heart, forgiveness, (as we saw in Jesus) .In between these two minds that exist in a horizontal plane is two other other minds. The conscience and The prophets mind.

The prophets mind and the conscience exist in a vertical relationship direct  to God. You can visualise this concept as standing 4 square within yourself, or as a Cross with prophets mind on top , conscience beneath it and physical and spiritual minds on either  side, making a square. (Please note the kingdom of Heaven is also a square with gates.)

Now I know we have all heard our conscience  when we done something we shouldn't, a voice that tells you to say sorry or buy flowers...you conscience pains you, so lets not pretend we don't have a conscience. We also know we have a physical brain, and we have a spiritual brain..so these concepts are nothing new.The conscience is compass, some obviously have a broken or distorted compass that does not point true north.

The prophets mind is another aspect where you receive divine inspiration or food (as in receiving the holy spirit) in divine aspects. The prophets mind allows you to see visions, hear voices and feel comfort in times of deep sorrow with Gods grace.

Now before we get all uppity please remember that this mind called " the prophets mind " was written in the Gospel of Mary as taught by Jesus.  This book by Mary is the oldest direct book we have in history closest to the life of Jesus and was buried by the Asines ( the group Jesus belonged too , as opposed to the Pharisees or Sadducees respectively  ) and is  part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The Prophets mind allows interpretation of dreams as in Joseph's case, revelation or to receive the authority of God, the prophets mind forms a relationship of give and take with Devine spirits and God..


There is one other mind...This is called The Evil Mind.

What is the Evil Mind? This mind is connected to the physical mind only, and lives outside the 4square frame work. It is the remanent of the fall in the garden of Eden. This mind is connected to evil elements and is how we are tempted by lesser Spirits. They form a relationship of give and take with this mind, that mind in turn forms a relationship of give and take with the physical mind. This is how sudden anger, temptation to steal or hurt yourself/others comes from.

You may say that there's 3 distinct levels here : those mostly controlled by the evil mind, those mostly controlled by there physical mind, those who are controlled by the prophets mind ( as in Jesus case for example). I would suggest that most are in the middle with good and bad fighting over them.

This aspect covers the internal relationship we have with ourselves, please view the teaching Jesus gave in the Gospel of Mary. Any one of these minds can take the leading role at times, it's a question of training, reading and understanding scripture is a form of training that we do led by our conscience so it can point true north.

Some of this may be new to you but I'd suggest experiment it for yourself...before making a comment I ask you to be aware where your thinking may be coming from.
I don't think scripture has anything to do with it. Visions and connection with the great spirit were around in north America and other places long before middle Eastern dogma took root in the world.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:34 PM

The Cube is based on salt. It is an ancient way of saying the Kingdom will come into physical reality; the cube also represents the element of Earth. That said, I do not see God wanting to contain Himself in any kind of shape. Religion has a compulsion for containment/control...God cut all that loose and now here we are in the wild universe. Wild does not mean chaos. Cabala takes the cube to its furthest extent of symbolism, kingdom included, but is always containment be they orbs or the cube. The mind above, the heart, the sides and below etc. all representing aspects of God. In my opinion all that dissolves as contact with God is established.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:34 PM

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There is no need to use the resources to travel great distances when you understand that their are folded dimensions that out number the unfolded ones. No need to go anywhere, because in stirng theory anyway you are already there in seven dimensions.It sounds a little tin hat like. But the physics is there.
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there are eleven dimensions in string theory seeker- 10 spatial, and 1 temporal- and all of them  (except the temporal one) aren't just folded up, they're incredibly small, many, many orders of magnitude smaller than atoms. so if the aliens are using them to travel, they really aren't going anywhere fast.
there was a lot of hysteria and charlatanry in the late 1800's-early1900's, when the fourth dimension was postulated, and mediums all jumped on the idea that that was where the spirit plane existed, as they failed to realise that the 4th dimension was the temporal one, not an extra spatial one.
the physics quite simply AREN'T there i'm afraid.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 03:01 AM

View Postshrooma, on 07 May 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:


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there are eleven dimensions in string theory seeker- 10 spatial, and 1 temporal- and all of them  (except the temporal one) aren't just folded up, they're incredibly small, many, many orders of magnitude smaller than atoms. so if the aliens are using them to travel, they really aren't going anywhere fast.
there was a lot of hysteria and charlatanry in the late 1800's-early1900's, when the fourth dimension was postulated, and mediums all jumped on the idea that that was where the spirit plane existed, as they failed to realise that the 4th dimension was the temporal one, not an extra spatial one.
the physics quite simply AREN'T there i'm afraid.
That's interesting, I'm glad you got the one temporal part right ( most people miss that bit), and the temporal dimension is an illusion,  but incredibly small dimensions is exactly what I was talking about.invision, if you will, a dimension that is incredibly small yet every particle in existence exists in it. This is what a dimension that is folded up means. The unfolded dimensions are the three that we know about.  the incredibly small ones still have every peice  of matter in them. Infact this is what's needed for string theory to work, because the strings need these different dimensions to vibrate in. yes that means every string, which means all strings in one tiny dimension at one time is also speculated to be the 'spin' on subatomic particles. The seven 'tiny' dimensions are still in the state that the other three were pre big bang. 7 dimensions are united, 3 are expanded, 1 is temporal... But if you look at the logic, why there is only 10, then you might realize that the temporal dimension is not really a dimension at all. ;)

Edited by Seeker79, 08 May 2013 - 03:03 AM.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:48 AM

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I don't think scripture has anything to do with it. Visions and connection with the great spirit were around in north America and other places long before middle Eastern dogma took root in the world.


Ah ha! Lol  just kindling ..

That's the thing, this is not about scripture but considering that some would label this heretical I decided to bring the words of Jesus into it to cut them off before they got that chance..

This is a internal teaching, it is to show clearly how we can identify with ourselves. you will notice i give reference to scripture but usually don't bother to  quote it, if i do its the first line, this is how jesus did it and i like to follow that practice. Also, it's  no surprise that many religions encompass this way of thought,  Except non have so clearly laid it out. (I have referred to the Prophets mind as that is what Jesus called it, some may call it by another name but its essentially the same in principal) If its not clear I can describe it in another way, I used the cross as a symbolism purely to assist in the reader being able to visualise the concept.

I will repeat the kingdom of Heaven is square with 12 gates.. I haven't got to that yet but when I do it will be easy for anybody to understand that symbolism.  Since Gods logos pertains to family as the core , this should be interesting to those who understand that family is the most important part of Gods plan.
This is not a guess.

Also we are yet to discuss the actual spirit world and how it's made up.  What is paradise, what is the garden, has anybody entered the kingdom of heaven, does the kingdom need to come on earth first? This will also encompass all faiths and dispensational figures through the ages and give insight as to why forgiveness is such a important teaching. I will show you why you must forgive, not just that you follow these words from Jesus as commandments but what happens if you don't! This will be a sad story for some but I hope it encourages some to be quick to forgive 70x7 if need be!


Perhaps we shall also get to the point of the garden of Eden , what happened there is the reason why we have had so many problems throughout human history, this is the origin of " the evil mind" that was previously mentioned and its connection to the physical mind. The Garden of Eden is a concept, but some have gone looking for it and even claimed to have found it.

Perhaps we will get to the origin of languages also.

Perhaps we shall get to why there is so many different faiths and how they can all be right yet all wrong to varying degrees ( those who stand strong in there individual faith being the one true faith will be gunning for me with that statement , but I ask you to hear me out) , no one is the be all and end all.


And perhaps at the end we shall get to the reason for these world wars ( not what you think, but should be obvious that its internal ) and what is happening in the present age, certainly this is the time of the "quickening" .




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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:53 AM

Oh, And perhaps we shall discus the God Particle..it may surprise you that God in inside you more than you are! And yet he is trapped inside you because you were given free will.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:10 AM

The God particle is a religious name for the scientific discovery of the Higgs Field

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:13 AM

Cool. I'll be interested in what you have to say. I have been to places in the spirit world that I call the garden, and so have others, but in truth these places may just be different worlds or constructs of more complicated themes.

I don't think its the "garden of Eden". The biblical imagery and stories in genesis seem to be discussing the transition of humanity from hunter gatherer to agragarian societies   which has indeed led to all the problems in the world. The garden of Eden in this context is still here on earth and really represents a way of life ivining with the land. I believe that living with the rythems of nature is what mankind is supposed to be doing, both from an evolutionary stand point and from a spiritual one.

The kingdom of heaven. I don't know. Some consider merger with god nirvana and heaven. In this context heaven is a state. I have seen a white city amongst a sea of rolling grass, but the images  of such places are most certainly just symbols so that a mind can put it into context. It's hard to say. Heaven and hell seem to be states of mind.

As for the "god particle". I remain reserved. Finding a little particle on a graph where they thought it should show up is a long long long way from prooving that this little anomaly is actually responsible for gravity and the field that permiates everything. It seems that the business side of things for the hadron might be pressuring the non scientific elements of the project to come up with results. Especially after failing to proove hawking radiation. I dunno. We will see I guess.

Edited by Seeker79, 08 May 2013 - 11:19 AM.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:39 AM

View PostSeeker79, on 07 May 2013 - 05:25 AM, said:

I have been wondering MW, at the nature of what we call the "spirit world". It has occurred to me on many occasions that the 'dimension' or 'space' of the spirit world might actually be the experience of moving through this collective mind and it's various niches. After all inside a single mind could be considered a dimension all it's own. Much like cyberspace as you mentioned. I have been to other places aswell, but I wonder if these places are mental constructs of a collective mind. If I can make places in my mind in dreams why can't the collective make vast places in its. Maby physical reality is nothing but a collective mind construct. The dreaming.
In my opinion based on my experiences, there are two forms of consciousness. Our own singular  individual, organic based consciousness and the cosmic consciousness ( i do not know the nature of this consciousness or its means of storage.)

The cosmic consciousness is connected iinto our own consciousness and we into it. Because ALL conscious entities are linked to the cosmic consciousness, we can link to them via the cosmic consciousness just as I am now linked to you via the web. But just as the web stores all our conversations, the cosmic consciousness stores all our memories. and experiences.  Hence i can go into the cosmic consciousness and interact with my father when he was a young man. I can ride his bsa motorbike with him to a dance and be with him when he meets my mother for the first time.

I am not truly interacting with him but with the pattern of his consciousness within the cosmic consciousness. Most of the places I travel to are real places inhabited by real conscious minds whom i can piggy back on or mix with,  and whose physical vision knolwedge and understanding i can, to a limited extent, also share. For example if i am travelling in the mind of a  spider like rigger on a light sail ship in the centre of the galaxy, I can see what he sees,  but I cant understand his language,Ior the tools he may be using. I am my own consciousness looking out from within him; but i "get to him" via the linkage of the cosmic cnsciousness which connects him and me, like the internet connects you and me.

Edited by Mr Walker, 08 May 2013 - 11:48 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:34 PM

I will expand on the various states of the spirit world. The garden of Eden was the direct realm where Adam and Eve (the first humans to become spiritually self aware and first holy people) shared with God. It is different to The Garden where those who practice Islam go. The Islam Garden is similar to Paradise (Christian realm) but is slightly lower than the highest levels of Paradise.

When Jesus said to the sinner crucified on the Right side of him that he will be with him in Paradise it was a little vague as there's many realms in paradise, he is not in the highest realm of paradise that Jesus can go to. However Jesus out love for Christians chooses to stay in the lower realms of Paradise so he can embrace them all.

This is a sad thing for Jesus TBH. This concept suggests , and asks the reader to imagine there's 2 islands (although there's many levels in Paradise, more than 2).  There's a island that has not much food, it's beautiful , but on the island there's Food in abundance and much more beautiful. Jesus has a 1person boat that allows him to row there, but only him..so out of love he waites on poor island to be with his followers.  Would you leave your family and go to the other island? Of course not! You to would stay with them, to leave them would be selfish, so that is why he stays in the lower realms by choice, out of love.

There's 3 main levels of the spirit world. (5 actually  including hell and the kingdom of heaven) these are : 1) lower realms, the spirits of these realms connect with those on earth most like themselves, and in a certain states of mind we all usually connect with them to a extent, especially if one is seriously depressed or angry.. 2) the middle realm, This is where the majority live including some from all religions.  (Yes frank you will find the good natured atheists in this realm too)  3) higher realm. This is the Divine Realm where the best of the best go from nearly all religions, In here we find the higher order spirits (also called divine spirits) these connect with you and offer support when your most aware spiritually.

There's many levels inside these 3 main levels. We can call the these spiritual states :Formation Spirits, Growth Spirits, Complete Spirits.
The Area where one Goes (after the life review) is determined by that Spirits level of Growth. Positions here on Earth mean nothing except some things we might say you get a little reward for, a feather in your cap for example.However for the most part it's determined by the state of growth the spirit was able to achieve. Not surprisingly Children because of there pure nature do naturally go to highest realms.  There is vast distantce between these 3 main levels.

I tragicaly lost my Wife and 3 children so occasionally I'm able to visit them and vice versa, my children are in a higher realm than my wife.i have taken a chastity vow since that time and now work to bring them and God Glory. I know some day we will see each other again.


So with the spirit world not only is it broken in levels it's broken by groups, the Christians have there Suburb (suburb as a concept) the Muslims have there suburb, Hindu, Confusionist, Leverite Kabbala, all spiritual leaders have there own pockets. They can meet but return to the place naturally where they feel the most comfortable.

Not all spiritual leaders are in the higher realms. In hell exist powerful war lords that naturally have servants just as they did here, the servants here followed them there being that is where there most comfortable, these war lords can trap a higher level Spirit too.  You may ask how is this possible? The spirit world knows your sins, if you allow them to condem you in your heart to the point you feel so bad you may never escape this state. Similar to here if you allow others to put you down for your mistakes you take that on, may become depressed or even suicidal. NO! If your condemned by others you must not let them Define you! You must point out the good you do and believe it, don't take on these burdens. Only the most powerful can escape these really lower realms so don't go there at risk of your eternal life!

So I have spoken about the state of Jesus which is sad TBH, we love him so much we must lift our game out of Love for him! Now let's review a tyrant..Hitler! This b****** was chained by a Angel. His current state is chained to a wall naked. This is even sader, the ones whom he persecuted are in hell too. Why are they there? Because there full of hate, we have sent many Angels there to try assist them but because of the damage hitler did they like to throw stones at him (don't go there to see this). They struggle to forgive and hold onto such negative emotion that they can't acend to higher levels. They could easily but many are so angry because of what happened to them in the physical world..

This is why you must forgive! You will be stuck in the lower realms if you hold onto hate or passionate anger, it blocks you! Let it go if you hold such a grudge. Forgive them....even young Stephen the first Christian To be killed was blessing those who stoned him (this story is close to the beginning of the book acts, read Stephens words, particularly " for if you knew this you would not have crucified The Lord of Glory")


Black magic and psychics .. Many here claim this! Do you know who I am then!? Probably not..your working in the lower realms for the most part even though your spiritually open.  Black magic : is a way to utilise the lower realms to do the will of the living by offering these spirits a gift...2 frogs legs, 1 piece of hair..lol and so on. To those who practice this: You could try curse me and may succseed for a short moment, but I assure you my friends will smash you and your family to pieces if you try! Your warned! You will loose all spiritual protection.

This will conclude somewhat this aspect, we will move on to Sin,   something we all have done , the different types of Sin and how that's paid/indemnified.  How is it that some sin is paid out upto 7 generations, this is spoken in the bible.

Edited by Irrelevant, 08 May 2013 - 12:40 PM.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:15 PM

View PostIrrelevant, on 08 May 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

I will repeat the kingdom of Heaven is square with 12 gates.. I haven't got to that yet but when I do it will be easy for anybody to understand that symbolism.  Since Gods logos pertains to family as the core , this should be interesting to those who understand that family is the most important part of Gods plan.
This is not a guess.


Nice guesswork but the kingdom of heaven is not a walled structure. Jesus said to Mary: I was not recognized. But I have recognized that the All is being dissolved, both earthly things and heavenly. Salvation is the most important part of God's plan.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 07:31 AM

View Postmarkprice, on 08 May 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:



Nice guesswork but the kingdom of heaven is not a walled structure. Jesus said to Mary: I was not recognized. But I have recognized that the All is being dissolved, both earthly things and heavenly. Salvation is the most important part of God's plan.

No its not a guess, it's  in the bible Mark, including the description..".each gate is as a pearl." However it's symbolism so I shall give the description of that symbolism, and this is not a guess either.

Are you going to make me start quoting full  scripture? Let's move beyond that archaic style please, but note I quoted the first line as is the tradition with Jesus so you and anybody else can find it if you still feel the need.


As for salvation that was never part of the Logos, its a countermeasure, the need for salvation happened because the first holy family ( in the garden of Eden ) failed..satan became the ruler of this earth , that is Jesus words .you can read all about Gods anger towards satan for what happened  In the first book...I shall also give a full a description of this failure, since many think the apple was a apple, a tree a tree..the symbolism is very easy to understand once you capture the essence of it instead of being bound by the  lettering of it. You might ask who wrote Genesis. However this is getting away from the topic of the Symbolism involving The Kingdom Of Heaven. A place no human has ever entered in the spirit world, since it must come on earth first.

Edited by Irrelevant, 09 May 2013 - 07:52 AM.





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