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[Razer]

A woman should be able to wear whatever she wants without fear of being raped, unfortunately this is not a perfect world and provacative clothes can get the attention of a predator.  Of course it is not excuse for rape and the predator needs to be punished severly.

I could walk around shady neighborhoods alone wearing expensive clothes and jewelry and it is my right to do so, but I'm not going to do it.  I should not have to be afraid that I could be mugged or worse, but the reality is, I would be inviting trouble.  It is just a sad part of the world we live in.

[TheLastLazyGun]

Hasina, on 02 January 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

Which should happen first: Women should dress modestly? Men should stop forcing their dingalings into women when they say no?

I say women should start taking responsibility for what they wear.

If women stopped going on nights out dressed like tarts in short skirts and boob tubes then the number of rapes would surely go down.  It's just commonsense that women are putting themselves more at risk of being raped if they choose to go amongst red-blooded males dressed in skimpy clothing.  I mean if you are going to walk down dark alleyways with a load of money in your wallet then you are asking to be mugged.  Likewise if a woman walks down a dark alleyway dressed in skimpy clothing then she is asking to be raped.

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Edit: Now! Before anyone corrects me, I know this is a European thig but freedom of expression, to wear what you want without the fear of being pulled into a alleyway because your skirt is above your knees? Just which seems more logical? Men should stop raping. Women should dress modestly.

I've got the freedom to walk down dark alleyways wearing an expensive watch and carrying a wallet containing £100.   But, using my commonsense, I choose not to because I am asking to be mugged if I do.

Likewise it's time that some women started using commonsense and stopped walking around on nights out dressed provocatively, because they are surely asking to be raped.

And I think all this silly feminist nonsense that "all men should be taught that rape is wrong" is just that - silly feminist nonsense.

I could say that all people should be taught not to mug but, for as long as people persist in walking down dark alleyways carrying loads of cash, there will always be muggings.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 02 January 2013 - 06:27 PM.

[glorybebe]

TheLastLazyGun, on 02 January 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

I say women should start taking responsibility for what they wear.

If women stopped going on nights out dressed like tarts in short skirts and boob tubes then the number of rapes would surely go down.  It's just commonsense that women are putting themselves more at risk of being raped if they choose to go amongst red-blooded males dressed in skimpy clothing.  I mean if you are going to walk down dark alleyways with a load of money in your wallet then you are asking to be mugged.  Likewise if a woman walks down a dark alleyway dressed in skimpy clothing then she is asking to be raped.



I've got the freedom to walk down dark alleyways wearing an expensive watch and carrying a wallet containing £100.   But, using my commonsense, I choose not to because I am asking to be mugged if I do.

Likewise it's time that some women started using commonsense and stopped walking around on nights out dressed provocatively, because they are surely asking to be raped.

I cannot believe that you said that!  NO ONE asks to be raped!  By your own words, noticed, but not raped!

[TheLastLazyGun]

glorybebe, on 02 January 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

  NO ONE asks to be raped!

A woman dressed provocatively on a night out to get the attention of men (and that IS the reason why women dress that way on nights out) is asking to be raped, just as someone with a ton of jewellery around their neck in a dark alleyway is asking to be mugged.

[Hasina]

TheLastLazyGun, on 02 January 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

And I think all this silly feminist nonsense that "all men should be taught that rape is wrong" is just that - silly feminist nonsense.

Silly misogynist nonsense.

[Rlyeh]

glorybebe, on 02 January 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

I cannot believe that you said that!  NO ONE asks to be raped!  By your own words, noticed, but not raped!

That is the be expected of TheLastLazyGun, from this thread http://www.unexplain...pic=237661&st=0 you can see he isn't too bright.

[Yamato]

Hasina, on 02 January 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Yes, certain clothing can lead to certain thinking. But no clothing, in my mind, leads to forcible penetration just cause, oh my, you're wearing it.

Nudity isn't even at issue, but in fact, it's illegal.  And why is it illegal anyway?  Doesn't have much if anything at all to do with forcible penetration, so I think there are even more unwanted behaviors at play here than we're willing to give credit for, if nudity was really the matter.

[Rlyeh]

TheLastLazyGun, on 02 January 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

A woman dressed provocatively on a night out to get the attention of men (and that IS the reason why women dress that way on nights out) is asking to be raped, just as someone with a ton of jewellery around their neck in a dark alleyway is asking to be mugged.

Making stupid statements is asking to wind up in intensive care. Some logic.

[TheLastLazyGun]

Here come the feminists, circling me like a pack of rabid dogs.  That was predictable.

They can see (I think) that anyone walking down a dark alleyway with a load of money in their pocket and gold chains around their necks is putting themselves at more risk of being mugged but, for some reason, they can't seem to see that any women walking down a dark alleyway in provocative clothing which she wore to get the attention of men is putting herself more at risk of getting raped.

And they have the cheek to call ME not very bright.

I'll say it again ladies - if you don't want to be raped don't walk down dark alleyways in short skirts and boob tubes.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 02 January 2013 - 06:45 PM.

[TheLastLazyGun]

Rlyeh, on 02 January 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

Making stupid statements is asking to wind up in intensive care.

So is a woman walking down dark alleyways in provocative clothing, or a person walking down them with loads of money.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 02 January 2013 - 06:46 PM.

[Hasina]

What is 'provocative clothing' LazyGun? Where's the line? What about male rape victims? Your advice for them? Does anyone 'deserve' bad things to happen to them because of what they own or what they wear?

Edited by Hasina, 02 January 2013 - 06:49 PM.

[ouija ouija]

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libstaK, on 02 January 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

There is a huge and obvious difference between DELIBERATELY flamebaiting when you know you are offending with racist and discriminatory behaviour and whether or not a person is clothed fully, partially or not at all - NOTHING is an invitation to rape, stop trying to reason a way to blame the victim.
I disagree with you very strongly! There is NO difference. The barely clothed woman is obviously not inviting rape(it wouldn't be rape then, would it?), but she is indicating that she knows she is sexually attractive ...... and why would she do this? To provoke a reaction! Now in her mind this may mean anything from attracting admiring glances and nice comments on her appearance, through someone asking for a date, to actually looking for a sexual partner. This is were it all goes wrong: men are often immune to subtleties, especially if alcohol and/or prolonged sexual frustration is involved. The trouble is, you can't filter out the undesirable attention ...... however you dress yourself, when you go out in public everyone sees you.  

So you are suggesting that the absence of adult supervision or parental boundaries are placing juveniles in the position of "provoking" attacks.  The young should be safe and free to explore boundaries without being sexualised in the minds of adults and susceptible to being victims of sick minds.
If grown women struggle with undesirable attention, why do you expect our juveniles to be able to cope with it? The words 'safe' and 'exploring boundaries' often don't sit well together; doesn't the word 'boundary' suggest that you've come up against something you don't want or like? something that is undesirable? While 'exploring boundaries' you are likely to have some nasty experiences ..... for most that falls short of rape, thank heaven. The sexualisation is not only in the minds of the 'adults', the youngsters themselves are learning to deal with their awakening sexuality and need protection and guidance until they have enough understanding to be independant in it.

We need to deal with the sick minds and stop focusing on the innocent victims and all the ways they seem in some people's minds to "contribute" to what happened.  Boundaries need to be set against the perpetrators not against the victims.  It's so easy to turn it around and I think that is why it has remained such a huge stumbling block but it is a part of what is wrong here to turn it on the victim, it is a huge piece of the elephant in the room.
The 'stumbling block' is idealists refusing to equip youngsters with the knowledge to keep them safe in the real world, in their everyday lives. Ideals are wonderful but they always have to be balanced with reality .... life as it is NOW.

That speaks to the sickness inside the perpetrators, to seek to violate what is pure and innocent in their eyes, to dominate and submit what is good into a condition of desolation and horror, it is about power over those perceived as the weak.  It also speaks to the weakness of the perpetrators that they seek those that are powerless to fight back, these are cowards who would never face someone capable of meeting them on equal ground.
Absolutely! And that is why women of all ages need to be realistic and understand that their ideals are never going to be upheld by everyone ...... that there will always be people seeking to take advantage of them, in some situations more than others i.e. where alcohol/drugs are being used, and/or the woman is on her own.  

There is NOTHING in those statistics that point to the juveniles and youths being anything but victims of monsters.
Some will not be monsters, some will be young/ignorant men who did not understand that the young person giving them 'signals' did not understand fully what they were doing(or were not aware they were doing anything!). And YES, I completely agree that there is NEVER, EVER an excuse for rape. Also, there is the situation where the juvenile looks older than they are, and they say they are older than they are.

Edited by ouija ouija, 02 January 2013 - 06:48 PM.

[TheLastLazyGun]

Hasina, on 02 January 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

What is 'provocative clothing' LazyGun? Where's the line?

The clothing that a woman wears on a night out to get the men to notice her.

This is usually a very short skirt that ends just below her nostrils and hardly anything on her upper body, even in midwinter.

When a woman wears that on a night out, then men are going to look and leer at her (that's nature for you) - and one of those men may then follow her into a dark alleyway and rape her.

I'm sorry but that's just the way it is.

To me, it's just commonsense that a woman reduces the risk of getting raped by stop wearing provocative clothing on a night out, clothing which brings lots of men's attention onto her.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 02 January 2013 - 06:51 PM.

[Hasina]

TheLastLazyGun, on 02 January 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

The clothing that a woman wears on a night out to get the men to notice her.

This is usually a very short skirt that ends just below her nostrils and hardly anything on her upper body, even in midwinter.

When a woman wears that on a night out, then men are going to look and leer at her(that's nature for you) - and one of those men may then follow her into a dark alleyway and rape her.

I'm sorry but that's just the way it is.

To me, it's just commonsense that a woman reduces the risk of getting raped by stop wearing provocative clothing on a night out, clothing which brings lots of men's attention onto her.

I agree with you Lazy, a woman must use commen sense when dressing herself when going out. Women do dress sexy to feel sexy, much the same way men do, but in a different fashion.

Men want women looking at them, so do women of course. Does this mean someone should get raped because they want to look good? Dear god no!

Men do not just rape because 'that's the way it is', only a vile man would force himself on a woman when she says no and struggles.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Drunk men and drugs sometimes fuel it too, same with women, they might be drugged when rap happens