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[The New Richard Nixon]

Blaming an organisation, groups or people that is outside the country shows that the government had no confidence in it's self to withstand public outcry's. If Gaddafi blamed his own countrymen, then there will be no need for the civil war. He only blamed AL Q so everyone can like him and make everyone forget the protests.
So he used the protests from an disadvantage to an advantage.
That's why he used mercenaries to disrupt the protests and to scare people. He had no faith in his army, which was proven on a number of occasions.

[MichaelW]

Coffey, on 22 January 2013 - 09:09 AM, said:

Just going to reply in one bit because it's a waste of time replying to each bit when you haven't got a leg to stand on.

I have two firmly rooted in fact.

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Everything I said was facts, they are all proven.

No they were not. You said it was fact without backing them up. Part of a good argument, Coffey, is backing up your claims with sources. You...haven't. That's not an argument. It's just a series of wild claims, none of which have even a shred of truth.

Think what you want but the reality sides with Corp and I.

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It wasn't people from Libya who dragged him out etc, it was Al Qaeda.

Prove it then.

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They are in Syria as well and even Obama admitted that. (yes he admitted he is supporting them)

Al Qaeda said that they supported the revolution in Syria. Prove that they are actually there.

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The website I posted is a normal news website not a conspiracy one. Just like the many others reporting on it. (that was before the government was put in place)

So you say that this was before a government was established. If this act was before a government was established, how do you know that Al Qaeda controls it?

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Also election? According to Wikipedia it was not an election, it was handed down to the other guy. (Yes there is a goverment now, but there wasn't for a while, it was still run by militia)

Corp posted a link about an election in Libya on Wikipedia. You really can't wiggle your way out of this by saying "You're wrong, I'm right because I am" loudly and repeatedly.

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Explain why Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya never had Central banks before then?

The Iraqi Central Bank was established in 1947 and re-established in 2004. The Central Bank of Libya was established in 1956. The Central Bank of Afghanistan was established in 1939.

So, you were saying? Although I would like to know how those states managed to function in your little world without a central monetary and financial regulatory authority? If you're so good at maths, how could these countries function without central banks?

[acidhead]

Libya had a central bank.  BUt they were 100% State operated and not a member of [BIS] The Bank of International Settlements based in Switzerland.  

Read an excerpt from this article written April 2011:

Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

What do these seven countries have in common? In the context of banking, one that sticks out is that none of them is listed among the 56 member banks of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). That evidently puts them outside the long regulatory arm of the central bankers' central bank in Switzerland.

The most renegade of the lot could be Libya and Iraq, the two that have actually been attacked. Kenneth Schortgen Jr, writing on Examiner.com, noted that "[s]ix months before the US moved into Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein, the oil nation had made the move to accept euros instead of dollars for oil, and this became a threat to the global dominance of the dollar as the reserve currency, and its dominion as the petrodollar."

Gaddafi made a similarly bold move: he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro, and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead, the gold dinar. Gaddafi suggested establishing a united African continent, with its 200 million people using this single currency.

And that brings us back to the puzzle of the Libyan central bank. In an article posted on the Market Oracle, Eric Encina observed:

One seldom mentioned fact by western politicians and media pundits: the Central Bank of Libya is 100% State Owned ... Currently, the Libyan government creates its own money, the Libyan Dinar, through the facilities of its own central bank. Few can argue that Libya is a sovereign nation with its own great resources, able to sustain its own economic destiny. One major problem for globalist banking cartels is that in order to do business with Libya, they must go through the Libyan Central Bank and its national currency, a place where they have absolutely zero dominion or power-broking ability. Hence, taking down the Central Bank of Libya (CBL) may not appear in the speeches of Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy but this is certainly at the top of the globalist agenda for absorbing Libya into its hive of compliant nations.

Libya not only has oil. According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), its central bank has nearly 144 tonnes of gold in its vaults. With that sort of asset base, who needs the BIS, the IMF and their rules?  http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html

Edited by acidhead, 23 January 2013 - 04:23 AM.

[MichaelW]

Yet more conspiracy theories? Did you sneak onto the computers when the nurse wasn't looking or something?

[acidhead]

MichaelW, on 23 January 2013 - 06:09 AM, said:

Yet more conspiracy theories? Did you sneak onto the computers when the nurse wasn't looking or something?

You'll figure it out.

Edited by acidhead, 23 January 2013 - 07:13 AM.

[MichaelW]

acidhead, on 23 January 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

You'll figure it out.

What is there to figure out? Nothing.

[Coffey]

The central banks put in place are not state owned. They work like ours, they are privately owned. (By the same people ours are)

That is not a conspiracy.

http://www.atimes.co...t/MD14Ak02.html

Rebels created the central bank yeah?

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As analysts debate possible motives behind President Obama’s United Nations-backed military intervention in Libya, one angle that has received attention in recent days is the rebels’ seemingly odd decision to establish a new central bank to replace dictator Muammar Gadhafi’s state-owned monetary authority — possibly the first time in history that revolutionaries have taken time out from an ongoing life-and-death battle to create such an institution, according to observers.

http://www.globalres...l-company/24308


1 more for fun:

http://www.prisonpla...k-of-libya.html


Oh look most of the weapons used int he Algeria hostage attack where from Libya....

http://www.indianexp...-libya/1062510/

More about Al Qaeda link in Libya...

http://www.examiner....-qaeda-benghazi


Syria:

http://wsws.org/en/a...0/syri-o16.html



Note how this also mentions Al Qaeda in Libya. It's Sunni Islamists who run Libya now:

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ali_Zeidan

Prime minister of Libya, look at his religion.

Could go on forever proving this point. Didn't post evidence before because it's obvious and anyone who takes 2 seconds educating themselves on ti can see.

Edited by Coffey, 23 January 2013 - 11:59 AM.

[The New Richard Nixon]

No its Militia groups, Libya is a tribal country

[Corp]

So the PM is a Sunni. Doesn't mean he's a member of al Qaeda. He was also a human rights laywer. al Qaeda isn't big on human rights. He is supported by the liberal parties in Libya, not the hardcore Islamists. He became the PM by being elected by the nation's congress. Didn't know al Qaeda was big on the democractic process.

With even a passing knowledge of how Libya is being run right now should make it clear that al Qaeda isn't calling the shots.

[MichaelW]

Coffey, on 23 January 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

The central banks put in place are not state owned. They work like ours, they are privately owned. (By the same people ours are)

That is not a conspiracy.

http://www.atimes.co...t/MD14Ak02.html

Rebels created the central bank yeah?

The central bank had already existed and it's governor defected to the rebels. You can even visit it's website here: http://cbl.gov.ly/eg/

You can also check out the sites of the Afghani Central Bank (http://www.centralbank.gov.af/) and Iraq (http://www.cbi.iq/)

With the Iraqi bank, the Federal Government of Iraq has the power to establish and manage the Central Bank according to their constitution: http://portal.unesco...titution_en.pdf

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http://www.globalres...l-company/24308


1 more for fun:

http://www.prisonpla...k-of-libya.html

Both those sites (globalresearch and prisonplanet) are both conspiracy sites. Both of them have involvement from Alex Jones, and anything that has him involved in it is automatically trash.

I want reputable sources.

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Oh look most of the weapons used int he Algeria hostage attack where from Libya....

http://www.indianexp...-libya/1062510/

Because they would have acquired them during the civil war when there wasn't any controls on who could obtain guns. The new Libyan government wouldn't be stupid enough to fund international Islamist terrorism, not matter how many wild theories you throw at me.

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Note how this also mentions Al Qaeda in Libya. It's Sunni Islamists who run Libya now:

Fox News? Really? You're sourcing Fox News?

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http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ali_Zeidan

Prime minister of Libya, look at his religion.

What does his religion have to do with anything? You're piecing together what cannot be pieced together. You saying Sunnis are all members of Al Qaeda now?

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Could go on forever proving this point.

Seeing as you failed the first time (miserably), I'd like to see you try.

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Didn't post evidence before because it's obvious and anyone who takes 2 seconds educating themselves on ti can see.

Really? That's your excuse? So I'm apparently uneducated, even though I'd proven your claim that Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya not having central banks to be completely false? With no sources at all?

Really says a lot about who is "educated" here. Certainly isn't you, that we've already established.

[Coffey]

Not having central banks owned by the Rothschilds is what I said. Which they didn't............

[Mr Right Wing]

the L, on 14 January 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

http://www.informati...rticle33613.htm

Contrary to popular belief, Libya , which western media described as “Gaddafi’s military dictatorship” was in actual fact one of the world’s most democratic States.

Four things people arent aware off in many Western Nations -
1. The so called 'brutal dictator' Gaddafi was due to be awarded the noble peace prize by the UN. He didnt get it because we invaded a month before the award ceremony - http://www.godlikepr...sage1703311/pg1
2. Gaddafi made moves to nationalise its branch of BP before the conflict (possible motive?).
3. Putin lost his temper at a EU conference in Germany. He let everyone know during a televised speech that Britain and France had launched a land invasion of libya, that we were the ones fighting the libyan national army and that the rebels were non-existant. This slipped through on British television as his speech was broadcast live.
4. Gaddafi was sexually abused and when they'd finished raping him they executed him but ramming a long stick up his bottom. This was filmed with mobile phones and videos are on the internet of it.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 23 January 2013 - 10:04 PM.

[Coffey]

Mr Right Wing, on 23 January 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Four things people arent aware off in many Western Nations -
1. The so called 'brutal dictator' Gaddafi was due to be awarded the noble peace prize by the UN. He didnt get it because we invaded a month before the award ceremony - http://www.godlikepr...sage1703311/pg1
2. Gaddafi made moves to nationalise its branch of BP before the conflict (possible motive?).
3. Putin lost his temper at a EU conference in Germany. He let everyone know during a televised speech that Britain and France had launched a land invasion of libya, that we were the ones fighting the libyan national army and that the rebels were non-existant. This slipped through on British television as his speech was broadcast live.
4. Gaddafi was sexually abused and when they'd finished raping him they executed him but ramming a long stick up his bottom. This was filmed with mobile phones and videos are on the internet of it.

What the actual ****. I just got all that confirmed by researching it.

I was horrified that number 4 is actually 100% true as it's on youtube. YES YOUTUBE! WTF?!

Edited by Coffey, 23 January 2013 - 10:22 PM.

[Mr Right Wing]

Coffey, on 23 January 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

What the actual ****. I just got all that confirmed by researching it.

I was horrified that number 4 is actually 100% true as it's on youtube. YES YOUTUBE! WTF?!

Youtube Search - Raping Al-Gaddafi when he was Alive By Muslims watch if you are 18+

[Coffey]

Mr Right Wing, on 23 January 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

Youtube Search - Raping Al-Gaddafi when he was Alive By Muslims watch if you are 18+

Yeah I seen it mate.

Utterly disgusting. Can't believe that happened, it's so wrong. Nobody deserves that.