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#271    cormac mac airt

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 17 January 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Yes but back then people didn't knew what a Blackbird would look like for them it might just be UFO, but nowdays people know what we have what we developed how might our design look like. and by saying that i would like to say that i feel that UFO reports did indeed decreased lately ( 5-8 years ). Just an observation i don't know if it's true..

I completely understand 'why' people would think what they did, but in the same way that they jumped to the conclusion that some Black Projects were UFO's the UFO crowd has quite often jumped to the conclusion that UFO's equal Extraterrestrials. Both are false assumptions based on little to no actual evidence.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:00 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 17 January 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

And I've never said that nothing is happening, but one shouldn't automatically jump to the conclusion that the explanation is extraterrestrials. However, more often than not, that's exactly what happens.

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Yes i agree with you here reminds me on this guy :

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Like Boonyzarc did first we need to fully analyze a certain event, and if we cannot and i mean definitly cannot find a proper firm explanation based on circumstances event happened it might have been some sort of UFO phenomena and even then we cannot firmly say such thing because we still dont fully understand many things.

So we are back to suggestions... Evidence might suggest some sort ETI but still can be some sort of cosmic phenomena we dont understand yet.

Space is really a vast place to be. Maybe some sort of ET civilization is coming here or not we cannot be sure that it does or doesn't... that is where military comes in the picture..

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:32 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 17 January 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

In this hypothetical it may be fact to them, but without verifiable evidence they can present to others it's meaningless to anyone else. And therein lies the rub, you can't present something as fact to others with verifiable evidence you don't have.

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does it not still remain a fact though?


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

View Postquillius, on 17 January 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

does it not still remain a fact though?

For them, yes, but only for them. But where ET's are concerned we're not talking about what 'may' be factual for a person or persons who've allegedly seen ET's. But what they are attempting to present as fact to others without evidence. These are two separate issues.

And all this is assuming that these individuals saw what they claimed they saw, which could be explained by any number of things other than actual extraterrestrials.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:52 PM

I think we should set up cameres on all the most likely corn fields.There must be certain areas where these circles occure.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:04 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 17 January 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

This is it, it starts at 15.00 and it most certainly isnt a ballon if it were it would fly high to the sky since it would follow the steam of warm air, but this object just hovers there.

You can watch entire thing, some really good footage in there even if something else was hoaxed i don't think the object in question was...

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This guy Dennis has more similar videos on hes channel, i liked maybe 2 or 3 everything else is not in my interest.

The object could be a balloon.  At one point you can see the ground is moving at the bottom of the view indicating the camera is moving to keep the object centered.  So the object is moving, probably with the wind.  If it is a hot air balloon, it won't shoot up into the sky but will reach a certain height and stay there moving with the wind until the hot air cools.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:06 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 17 January 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

For them, yes, but only for them. But where ET's are concerned we're not talking about what 'may' be factual for a person or persons who've allegedly seen ET's. But what they are attempting to present as fact to others without evidence. These are two separate issues.

And all this is assuming that these individuals saw what they claimed they saw, which could be explained by any number of things other than actual extraterrestrials.

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My hypothetical was to be taken as fact that this occured as told. I am asking if this did happen then how could these people present any evidence, they cant. Does this make it just fact to them? no, the fact is is that it happened, they fact also is they cannot prove this, but it doesnt limit it being a fact to just them....a fact is a fact..


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:13 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 17 January 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

The object could be a balloon.  At one point you can see the ground is moving at the bottom of the view indicating the camera is moving to keep the object centered.  So the object is moving, probably with the wind.  If it is a hot air balloon, it won't shoot up into the sky but will reach a certain height and stay there moving with the wind until the hot air cools.

Could be but then it would still fly alot faster especially out in the see where winds are powerfull and it would be shaken left and right where ever winds would blow slightly ...it would have a reckless pattern if ballon this thing just hovers... even thou why would someone record a ballon at such a clear distance?

Edit: A similar event is in the footage but in London at night, pretty interesting stuff.

Edited by Nuke_em, 17 January 2013 - 04:27 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

View Postquillius, on 17 January 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

My hypothetical was to be taken as fact that this occured as told. I am asking if this did happen then how could these people present any evidence, they cant. Does this make it just fact to them? no, the fact is is that it happened, they fact also is they cannot prove this, but it doesnt limit it being a fact to just them....a fact is a fact..

Whether we're talking about ET's here or alleged ancient advanced civilizations or similar claim in the "Ancient Mysteries and Alternative History" forum I usually post in, I don't take anything as fact without evidence to support it. Otherwise it's just assuming a conclusion.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:34 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 17 January 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Whether we're talking about ET's here or alleged ancient advanced civilizations or similar claim in the "Ancient Mysteries and Alternative History" forum I usually post in, I don't take anything as fact without evidence to support it. Otherwise it's just assuming a conclusion.

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ok I think you misunderstood my point, I was giving a hypothetical scenario explaining what happened (as fact) i..e aliens came down etc to show a situation where even when the situation/event happened and it is a fact, then this doesnt get reduced to belief because there is no hard evidence to support what actually happened.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:41 PM

View Postquillius, on 17 January 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

ok I think you misunderstood my point, I was giving a hypothetical scenario explaining what happened (as fact) i..e aliens came down etc to show a situation where even when the situation/event happened and it is a fact, then this doesnt get reduced to belief because there is no hard evidence to support what actually happened.

You get the basic paradox here people will claim it happened to them and they believe it, while others who weren't present at the event will need proof of such a event .
And that is the problem of ufology... people don't believe other people...

But lets say "president" would witness this hypothetical event ( a good honest president ) and he would make a press conference and said " This happened " with no proof at all and the nation will believe as it would happen to them!

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 17 January 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:


But lets say "president" would witness this hypothetical event ( a good honest president )
it would be far more likely that they'd find an alien civilisation on the Moon.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:48 PM

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You get the basic paradox here people will claim it happened to them and they believe it, while others who weren't present at the event will need proof of such a event .
And that is the problem of ufology... people don't believe other people...

But lets say "president" would witness this hypothetical event ( a good honest president ) and he would make a press conference and said " This happened " with no proof at all and the nation will believe as it would happen to them!

its no small thing so I dont think we should just believe what anyone says no matter who they are, especially as they could be tellign the truth about their experience but hallucinations etc etc could be the real cause.
This is basically what Cormac was driving at before, which I agree with.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:53 PM

Yes and at the end you either show a proof of some kind ( firm evidence ) or it is your own silent belief ( well not so silent on forums ).

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