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[The Silver Thong]

zoser, on 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.  For every solution it provides it  creates another ten types of disaster.  A little adding up would have told you as much.  

Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.  In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.

So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?

Probably because science can identify and see the cause much better now.   So what do you think we should do, ignore science and pray more.

[Imaginarynumber1]

zoser, on 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.  For every solution it provides it  creates another ten types of disaster.  A little adding up would have told you as much.  

Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.  In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.

So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?

Oh darn. The world isn't perfect. Let's just get rid of science!

[JesseCuster]

zoser, on 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.

No-one (at least in this thread) claimed science was a liberator or Godsend therefore any conclusions you might draw from that are pure strawmen.

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Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.

Are you claiming that  in 1962 that there was a general consensus amongst practising scientists that within 50 years science would be mankind's "ultimate saviour" or are you making this **** up?  I'd like to see some cites and references for your claims that in 1962, science was claimed to be "mankind's ultimate great saviour".  I'm pretty sure you're either making this up or are exagerrating a banal claim that had no scientific concensus.  Facts please.

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In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.

Between 1962 and 2012, the life expectancy of an average person in the USA has gone from mid-60s to 80 years plus.

Polio has been irradicated.  Smallpox has since been officially declared extinct in the wild.  Life-expectancy across the globe has shot upwards, even in the worst places like war-torn Africa. In my own country, TB is no longer a scourge that threatens the life of people. Etc etc.

Mankind has never had it so good.  Just about every metric that measures the quality of life for the human species says that in 2012, you are better being born than in any point in the past.

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So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?

It is quite clear that you are living in a fantasy world as none of your claims have come from real world sources.

Where are your facts?

Edited by Archimedes, 17 November 2012 - 12:25 AM.

[bison]

All credit to Mr. Franklin Antonio for having the vision and generosity to make this donation to the SETI Institute, and to Dr. Jill Tarter who retired from her scientific work at the Allen telescope Array to engage in fundraising for the project, and is obviously very good at this new position!

[booNyzarC]

zoser, on 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.  For every solution it provides it  creates another ten types of disaster.  A little adding up would have told you as much.  

Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.  In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.

So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?

I'm going to be a bit less tactful than the others.  I'd like to offer my apologies up front.  I truly don't feel good saying some of this.  I'd much rather that you had provided no opening like this, but being that you've created it...  here goes...

You're a bloody moron if you don't appreciate the advances given to us by science.  And no, I'm not saying that you are a moron zoser.  I'm just saying that it would be moronic to actually believe what you've been conveying; and I sincerely hope that you don't actually mean what you're saying.

You owe science for almost everything that you appreciate, enjoy, and hold dear.  You owe science for your camera and the ability to analyze its blurry photos of insects with your computer.  You owe science for your television and the radio you listen to while driving in your scientifically enhanced car.  You owe science for your cell phone, assuming that you have one.  You owe science for the over-the-counter medications that treat you and the dearly loved members of your family whenever mild illness strikes.  You owe science for the equipment waiting in the emergency room to help diagnose, administer, and heal you if disaster were to impact your gullible existence.  You owe science for the worldwide communication made feasible by the internet, which you take for granted out of spiteful ignorance while you spew your uneducated opinions upon the world.  You owe science for putting both equipment and human beings in space so that they could shoot footage with scientifically engineered gadgets and provide you with the opportunity to mistakenly derive all kinds of enticing woo-woo.  You owe science for all of this and much much more.

Freezers, clean energy sources like solar, wind, and hydro, electronics, key-less entry, microwave ovens, refrigerators, air conditioners, light bulbs, medical imaging equipment, long and short range communications, satellites, computers, power tools, vehicles, cleaners, sanitation products, plastics, recycling, etc, etc, etc...  All thanks to advances within various scientific fields.

Imagine for a moment that you were dropped into a capsule and sent back to the middle ages.  The desperate and highly superstitious masses might fall for your tantalizing testimony, but you'd undoubtedly discover a deep appreciation for the benefits of science once you were bereft of them.  Hell, the first time you had to take a trip to the loo and discovered that there was no toilet paper you'd probably be wishing to be back in the here and now.

Stress, fatal disease, poverty, extreme labor, and anything else that you have latched onto as banal isn't the fault of science, it is the fault of society.  Science has nothing to do with any of it aside from the fact that the fruits of science make virtually everything easier and more efficient; good and bad.

If you say that the world is very messed up, I'm right there with you.  But if you want to place the blame for that on science I'm not only going to tell you that you're wrong, I'll probably scoff at you along the way for being so ridiculously moronic.

[araxia]

I do not understand,
the world power can EASILY CREATE A LIE OF "first contact",
why do they seek donations?
to make it look more realistic?
They seem desperate to make people believe,
but the lie can't come without the funding to back it up...
it is ironic really...
money=world power...

WHAT TYPE of aliens are they seeking to contact?
those who do not care about money?
or those like them who do? lol

[Rlyeh]

araxia, on 22 November 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

I do not understand,
the world power can EASILY CREATE A LIE OF "first contact",
why do they seek donations?
to make it look more realistic?
They seem desperate to make people believe,
but the lie can't come without the funding to back it up...
it is ironic really...
money=world power...

Only one word comes to mind, kook.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

zoser, on 15 November 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

The equivalent of throwing money on a bonfire. Pathetic waste of time and resources.

is this because we know already that we are being visited by Extraterrestrials?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

zoser, on 15 November 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

The equivalent of throwing money on a bonfire. Pathetic waste of time and resources.

is this because we know already that we are being visited by Extraterrestrials?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Sweetpumper, on 15 November 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

There's no other reason than they're not going to find aliens using radio signals.

I think that's a fair argument. Certainly the likelihood of ETs using this old fashioned method of communications, and of our being able to detect anything from this distance, is certainly slim.
However, since SETI isn't Government funded, I don't see what harm it;s doing.

[R4z3rsPar4d0x]

Did they ever say what the WOW signal was definativly?

Edited by R4z3rsPar4d0x, 22 November 2012 - 08:34 PM.

[badeskov]

747400, on 22 November 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

I think that's a fair argument. Certainly the likelihood of ETs using this old fashioned method of communications, and of our being able to detect anything from this distance, is certainly slim.
However, since SETI isn't Government funded, I don't see what harm it;s doing.

It indeed is slim, but it is really the most feasible option we have. The other option is looking for ET sending us signals by light, but I would think our chance of detecting that is even slimmer.

Cheers,
Badeskov

[DONTEATUS]

So BAdeskov`s What about standing in a really Dark Field at night whit our Top Secret Craftsman Flash lights,and Tin cans and string Idea ?
You said it would work to Get E.T to Land !

[R4z3rsPar4d0x]

I guess Ill just google the question I posed earlier

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

zoser, on 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.  For every solution it provides it  creates another ten types of disaster.  A little adding up would have told you as much.  

Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.  In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.

So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?

What do you suggest?