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Diatonic Ratios in Crop Circles


TheOriginalF

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Hey all,

I wanted to take some time to discuss the interesting topic of diatonic ratios that are being found in crop circles.

Oddly enough people are taking the geometric ratio's found in crop circles, applying them to the diatonic scale and finding coherent music when applied to the staff.

This site explains the phenomenon quite well:

Diatonic Ratio's in Crop Circles

They also post a few samples of the music that has been composed at this link:

Circular Harmonies

Now I have to mention that all of this is all very subjective and they haven't taken into account the rhythmic value of each note (very important in the structure of making music sound the way it does), so the music they have written could sound different if the rhythmic values were changed. Furthermore we have to keep in mind that the ratios are simply being based on the geometric measurements of the crop circles and this theory could be applied to any geometrical shape we find in nature.

Anyway I have been interested in this topic for some time, I have done a little bit of work myself on the topic, and when I figure out how I will post my own compositions here so you can here them.

So let's discuss musical crop circles, I'd love to hear opinions on both sides of the issue. Keep in mind I really think this is all a bunch of hokum and purely coincidental but it's an interesting find non the less. However it is possible that this isn't just a coincidence, are the aliens or hoaxers speaking to us in the form of music? If so what are they trying to tell us? Or do you perhaps think that this is just a coincidence and all an extraodinary waste of time? Discuss.

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First time that I have heard anything on this. I'm really amazed. Truthfully, I believe that there is a lot more to crop circles than most people would give a second thought to. Adding this into the perspective would even broaden the chances of it not being "just pranks". Like so many other controversial subjects that are floating around todays society, there will always be those out there who are determined not to give any credit whatsoever to something that obviously does.

Let's say that just 5% of the crop circles are from an unknown basis. That in itself is enough to give further anaylsis into the origins.

"Furthermore we have to keep in mind that the ratios are simply being based on the geometric measurements of the crop circles and this theory could be applied to any geometrical shape we find in nature."

Very true. But you mentioned there being coherent melody. I have a hard time believing that it is purely coincidence on more than one occasion. I have some reading to do. thumbsup.gif

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First time that I have heard anything on this. I'm really amazed. Truthfully, I believe that there is a lot more to crop circles than most people would give a second thought to. Adding this into the perspective would even broaden the chances of it not being "just pranks". Like so many other controversial subjects that are floating around todays society, there will always be those out there who are determined not to give any credit whatsoever to something that obviously does.

Let's say that just 5% of the crop circles are from an unknown basis. That in itself is enough to give further anaylsis into the origins.

"Furthermore we have to keep in mind that the ratios are simply being based on the geometric measurements of the crop circles and this theory could be applied to any geometrical shape we find in nature."

Very true. But you mentioned there being coherent melody. I have a hard time believing that it is purely coincidence on more than one occasion. I have some reading to do. thumbsup.gif

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Hello Fable,

I agree with you about crop circles I don't think there is enough evidence to let us make a judgement one way or another just yet. And I do feel there is something to musical crop circles, let me clarify my stance. I feel that crop circles could indeed be just about anything from natural phenomenon, to UFO's, to Hoaxes, however what I was say I feel is probably complete bunk is that the music is intentional.

Here's why, this theory does work with any geometrical pattern known to man, therefore we find the same thing in the geometrical patterns of crop circles. This leads me to believe that it is probably just a coincidence since crop circles are after all geometric patterns. There is a coherent melody, yes, however that melody is only coherent because the composer has assigned a specific rhythmic value to each note (ie 1/4 note 1/8 note ect), I don't believe they are finding a value for each note based on the geometrical patterns in the crop circle.

Not with standing I have noticed in most of the pieces presented on the page I posted they tend to use a lot of 1/4 notes (one note per beat) any different values seem to be added only for effect and color. So one could conclude that based on 1/4 notes being used as a basis of rhythmic timing, you could simply plug the notes onto the staff and play them giving you a coherent melody. That is how I composed my pieces based on crop circles. So yes it's possible that it isn't a coincidence, which is what has kept me interested in this all along...not to mention the music always seems to come out sounding very spooky.

So while I feel that it is probably just pure coincidence that it works, I think you are right even if only 5% are from an unknown basis I think it is well worth an examination if only to be sure that it isn't something more profound.

I'd love to hear what you discover in your reading on the subject...I always try to keep an open mind when it comes to subjects like this.

EDIT: Oops I made a bit of a blunder in the above paragraphs, it would seem that diatonic ratio's can be found in other formations besides crop circles. However not all geometric patterns corelate directly with the diatonic scale, so it is possible to have a geometric formation that won't provide you with the ratio's needed to match up with the diatonic scale...sorry.

This is another article that I found on the subject and it goes a little more in depth on the issue.

The Crop Circular

Parts 2-4 provide pictures which illustrate the point a little better.

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ive read alot of peoples belifes that aliens are angels"biblical"belifes ect. ect..

now i always try to keep an open mind, and in saying so, being open minded bout the the musical crop circles ive got one question.

could the MUSICAL CROP CIRCLES be some how related to to whole biblical prophecy about the seals and such?

is there a arrow pointing between natural desaisters and the circles, that appear musical/or unexplainable?

just a thought,,, well ok its a wild hair i plucked from my @$$ but still openminded it seems like a good question, any one have some good thoughts? disgust.gif

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ive read alot of peoples belifes that aliens are angels"biblical"belifes ect. ect..

now i always try to keep an open mind, and in saying so, being open minded bout the the musical crop circles ive got one question.

could the MUSICAL CROP CIRCLES be some how related to to whole biblical prophecy about the seals and such?

is there a arrow pointing between natural desaisters and the circles, that appear musical/or unexplainable?

just a thought,,, well ok its a wild hair i plucked from my @$$ but still openminded it seems like a good question, any one have some good thoughts? disgust.gif

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Hello AlteredVoices

That's an interesting theory that you have purposed about aliens and crop circles. It's entirely possible that the music being found in crop circles relates somehow to biblical prophecies and the seven seals, I think we would need to find (or perhaps do) a study to see weather or not crop circles appear around or during the time of natural disasters or significant world events.

The problem with finding out the correlation between the diatonic ratios in crop circles and weather or not they point to anything specific lies in interpreting what if anything the music may be telling us. Since the interpretation of music can be very subjective I'm not sure if we would be able to do that.

However I do find it interesting that (if indeed they aren't a hoax) perhaps the crop circles and the diatonic ratio may very well be a code that needs to cracked by us as humans. If this is the case than we may find the key to some unexplained questions about our universe, the existence of aliens, or perhaps as you have maintained, that aliens are angels and are leaving us behind a message. It's definitely a very heavy topic with lots of unanswered questions that need to be explored.

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In the UK farmers recall simple circles appearing on their land for generations. The British first reported on the circles in the early 1980s. By 1990 crop circles had changed from simple circular patterns into huge and complex, geometric formations.

Much of the equipment brought by researches would not function when near the site.

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In the UK farmers recall simple circles appearing on their land for generations.  The British first reported on the circles in the early 1980s.  By 1990 crop circles had changed from simple circular patterns into huge and complex, geometric formations. 

Much of the equipment brought by researches would not function when near the site.

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That is mighty interesting, I often wonder if the change from simple circles to complex geometric patterns has any thing to do with the urgency of the message that crops circles may hold. I would think logically that they became more complex as the hoaxers became skilled at making crop circles, but until we know I guess none of us really can say one way or the other.

I do find it quite perplexing that research equipment never seems to function properly around a crop circle (Well I'm not sure if that is true with every crop circle but it does happen around some), and in some cases the molecular structure of the wheat itself is changed. It's evidence like this that always keeps me from passing the final judgement over weather or not they are all fake.

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