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[markdohle]

[notforgotten]

God creates something out of nothing.

[markdohle]

notforgotten, on 03 February 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

God creates something out of nothing.

Yes true, but God has no cause.

Peace
Mark

[Ryu]

There is no such thing as "nothing".
That is an impossibility. We only call something a nothing because it holds no relevance to us.

We call space full of "nothing" simply because it doesn't harbor anything that is of immediate use or relevance to our situations.

[Pssst]

Great question! One that has many scratching their heads to this day.

[ozman]

Nothing is in fact something.

Edited by ozman, 04 February 2013 - 01:12 AM.

[Seeker79]

No such thing as nothing. There has always been something. The question remains how organized that eternal something is. Could it be concious? Could it be intelligent? After all, it has an eternity to evolve. It only took life on earth 4 billion years to evolve sentience. Imagine what evolution might be capable of with 10^2000 billion years.

[Copen]

Nothing means No + Thing.
God says "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon no thing."

It is past out understanding how something can be made from nothing.
Only God can make something out of nothing and that with only words from His mouth.
Way to go!!! That's my God!!!
God bless.

[Zaphod222]

Copen, on 05 February 2013 - 02:00 AM, said:

Nothing means No + Thing.
God says "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon no thing."

It is past out understanding how something can be made from nothing.
Only God can make something out of nothing and that with only words from His mouth.
Way to go!!! That's my God!!!
God bless.

And The Flying Spaghetti Monster created your God out of nothing, Way to go!!!! That´s my Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!!
Monster bless.
</sarcasm>

Edited by Zaphod222, 05 February 2013 - 02:28 AM.

[StarMountainKid]

If nothing can't exist, and if something is therefore an imperative, and since there's a zillion different constructs for the something to exist as, why is the something that exists (our universe) constructed the way it is?

[The Id3al Experience]

Zaphod222, on 05 February 2013 - 02:27 AM, said:

And The Flying Spaghetti Monster created your God out of nothing, Way to go!!!! That´s my Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!!
Monster bless.
</sarcasm>

Nope, thats the devil making you beleive that the spaghetti monster is real... and you listen... Poor you

<sarcasm>
<Hehe>

[Cradle of Fish]

You call it God, I call it Nature. The more we look at things the more we see that common sense is not applicable to the universe.

Whether there was a conscious or unconsious process at the start is frankly unknowable.

Edited by Cradle of Fish, 05 February 2013 - 05:44 AM.

[pallidin]

Yeah, such questions can drive a person insane.

I think I'll have another beer...

[pallidin]

OK, here's my humble thoughts...

- We exist and are within "something"  That's self-evident.

- Yet, pure "nothingness" is perfect, as it continually validates itself, requiring nothing more to continue in that state.

- The fact is, though, there IS "somethingness" Again, that's self-evident.

- For "something" to come out of pure "nothing" makes no sense at all.

- I think, therefore, that there has always been and will always be "something"

Apart from those conjectures I'm totally clueless.



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[Frank Merton]

The problem is that our thinking is surrounded by all kinds of boxes that limit our ability to conceive things.  This derives largely from our experiences when we are babies and learning the physics we need to know to avoid injury (such as "down" is dangerous, as is fire).

Almost everyone sometime around third grade goes through a period of wondering about people on the other side of the globe falling off.

One of the strongest lessons we learn as babies is causation -- that very very often when A happens it is always followed by B.  Stick your finger in a fire (A) and it burns (.  It takes a great deal of unlearning to know that this is not always the case and that two events happening one after the other, even over and over and over, does not necessarily imply any kind of causation (hence medical science requires placebo and double-blind tests and statistical analysis).

Hume made it clear, with close analysis of cases where causation seems undeniable, that the situation is really much more complicated, and that what you tend to have when you look at such things closely is an infinite regression of smaller and smaller associations that in the aggregate add up to what we perceive as causation.  He made it clear that what we call "causation" is a mental conclusion we draw when events seem to be tied to each other, but that we are not to draw any certainty that the next time we try it will happen again -- only that it probably will happen again.

That the universe had a beginning in time (that is, has not always existed) seems mathematically necessary (how did the universe get from infinitely far away to here?) and that this beginning was utterly uncaused is inescapable.  (Assuming a creator existing from infinity solves nothing).

There is a tendency to want to think of the beginning of time as happening in some sort of "super-time."  That would not be correct.  There is no such thing as "before" the beginning of time any more than there is a "north" of the North Pole.  There is no eternity to worry about -- the beginning of time is the beginning.