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were UFOs ever spotted before the 20th


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#16    ReaperS_ParadoX

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:54 PM

View Postali smack, on 19 February 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

just wondering where there ever reports of UFOs before 20th century?
And Aliens
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:00 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 19 February 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

i'm afraid that doesn't seem very logical; what you seem to be doing is equating UFOs with Extraterrestrial spacecraft yourself to draw that conclusion. It might be Wishful thiking or wilful ingorance (and what a favourite phrase of the skeptickal fraternity that is) to assume that extraterrestrial spacecraft were seen in the skies back in the olden days, but to assume that there were no sightings of unexplained objects (which we would nwo call UFOs) really seems a bit of a leap to a conclusion that you've decided on in advance, I'm afraid to say.

Not my intention at all. Of course there were sightings of UFO's. I jumped the gun. Many, however, consider both the same. Hell without my glasses I see UFO's everyday :)


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

Check out the wave of "airship" sightings from 1896 and 1897.

People were reporting what sounds very much like the Goodyear Blimp flying all around the country. I guess the flying saucer models hadn't hit the alien dealerships yet.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:51 PM

View Postscowl, on 18 March 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Check out the wave of "airship" sightings from 1896 and 1897.

People were reporting what sounds very much like the Goodyear Blimp flying all around the country. I guess the flying saucer models hadn't hit the alien dealerships yet.
What could that have been I mean that was during the 1800s

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:58 PM

Alexander the great reported two flying "shields" on the eve of battle, which he took to be a good omen. His armies shields were round and dome shaped, much like the classic ufo shape of today.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:02 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 18 March 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

What could that have been I mean that was during the 1800s

Imagination.

People were familiar with balloons and were anticipating some kind of commercialization of them by clever inventors. The airships sounded completely plausible so people came up with stories and the newspapers printed them. Remember how many people claimed to have seen Ed Walter's model flying around Gulf Breeze?

The possibility of aliens from Mars visiting Earth was definitely in the minds of many educated people at the time. War of the Worlds was published a year after the airship wave.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:02 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 18 March 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

What could that have been I mean that was during the 1800s
This is exactly the thing that I've always found interesting; UFO sightings often seem to be just a few steps ahead of what the technology of the time is actually capable of. The first practical airship didn't get off the ground until the 1880s at the earliest, and they were very primtive and nowhere near capable of the kind of performance or endurance that were reported in these sightings. And, of course, no confirmation has ever been found that any of these suppsoed "inventors" ever actually existed, or if they did that they ever actually constructed anything practical. Then through the 20th c. you get reports of Aircraft that had much longer endurance or much better performance than anything there was at the time, then after WWII you had the "Ghost rockets", and then your Saucers came along. All of them one or two steps ahead of what technology was actually capable of at the time. What can this mean, I wonder?

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:31 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 18 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

This is exactly the thing that I've always found interesting; UFO sightings often seem to be just a few steps ahead of what the technology of the time is actually capable of.

And sometimes not even a single step ahead. Reports of interiors of spaceships from the 50's and 60's did not include any graphic displays or advanced user interfaces which people who live in the futuristic year of 2013 would be familiar with. They only had levers, dials and gauges which people were familiar with at the time. Betty Hill even described books of flat star maps which are not very useful when flying around in three dimensional space.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:18 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 18 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

This is exactly the thing that I've always found interesting; UFO sightings often seem to be just a few steps ahead of what the technology of the time is actually capable of. The first practical airship didn't get off the ground until the 1880s at the earliest, and they were very primtive and nowhere near capable of the kind of performance or endurance that were reported in these sightings. And, of course, no confirmation has ever been found that any of these suppsoed "inventors" ever actually existed, or if they did that they ever actually constructed anything practical. Then through the 20th c. you get reports of Aircraft that had much longer endurance or much better performance than anything there was at the time, then after WWII you had the "Ghost rockets", and then your Saucers came along. All of them one or two steps ahead of what technology was actually capable of at the time. What can this mean, I wonder?
It is interesting the whole WWII thing, didnt Wernher von Braun claim that they had help with there weapons, and there weapons were way ahead of the United States at the time.

Edited by R4z3rsPar4d0x, 18 March 2013 - 06:18 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:23 PM

View Postali smack, on 19 February 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

just wondering where there ever reports of UFOs before 20th century?
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Yes, many. There was a UFO battle over Nuremberg Germany in 1561.

http://altereddimens...many-ufo-battle


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:30 PM

View PostWoIverine, on 18 March 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Yes, many. There was a UFO battle over Nuremberg Germany in 1561.

http://altereddimens...many-ufo-battle
Yeah that ones even harder to explain away

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:50 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 18 March 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

Yeah that ones even harder to explain away

If such an incredible display had really taken place in the skies over Nuremberg, it would have had a tremendous effect on the population for generations. Instead all we have are the broadsheet and two surreal wood carvings which imply that a giant face appeared in the sky.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:18 PM

I believe it was also reported in the newspapers of the time as well. Keep in mind this was before science fiction and before we really had any substantial knowledge of "other planets".

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:16 PM

View PostWoIverine, on 18 March 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

I believe it was also reported in the newspapers of the time as well.

Unlikely since there were no newspapers at the time. They didn't exist until the next century.

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Keep in mind this was before science fiction and before we really had any substantial knowledge of "other planets".

Which means it would have had enormous religious significance to the Catholic Church, yet there is no mention of it in their archives unlike many astronomical events that were recorded.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:58 PM

Alexander The Great supposed to have seen shield shaped objects in the sky.

http://ufoevidence.o...ses/case491.htm

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