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#16    spud the mackem

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:13 AM

English is the recognised World language,so whats the arguement.Thats because we went world walkabout and taught people how to understand and speak it.All non speaking English Countries are taught English as a second language.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:26 AM

View PostLRW, on 03 December 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

English is a degradation of a more beautiful sounding language that went extinct.

Yeah, something like this;


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Folkspraak is a conlang being designed as a common Germanic language (an "Intergerman", if you will). Once complete, Folkspraak should be quickly learnable by any native speaker of a Germanic language, a group numbering over 465 million native speakers (with an additional 300 to 900 million speaking English as a second language). After many individual different Folksprak varieties for over a decade, since the end of 2010 there is a kind of Standard Folksprak, members agree about. Until now there are already English to Folksprak and Folksprak to English dictionaries available. Folkspraak is not meant to be designed by any one individual, but is a collective work created by all interested parties, according to the charter guidelines. You can contribute a word to the language just by sending an e-mail listing your proposed word, its meaning and its form in three other Germanic languages (in addition to English). You can provide feedback and help design the language as well. For more information, see Conlang Profiles at Langmaker.com.

http://tech.groups.y...oup/folkspraak/


En Grammatik for Folkspraak

This is the Digisk Grammatik von Folkspraak, my attempt to write a grammar for
Folkspraak. That language aims to be a language that most speakers of other Germanic
languages can read, without learning the language. In this way you can write
something in the language, reaching a large group of potential readers.
A problem under which the language suffered, was that it did not have a complete
grammar. It had a simple draft grammar, which was by no means complete or even
accurate. That is the reason why I chose to start all over again and write a new grammar.
This is what has become of it until now.


http://www.irespa.eu...raak_151109.pdf


Grammar:
http://en.wikibooks....lksprak/Grammar


Folkspraak (FS) is an International Auxiliary Language that is currently in development. It is intended to serve as a lingua-franca for communication with speakers of Germanic languages and it is based on features common to the major modern Germanic languages.

The project is intended to be a co-operative and democratic effort by a group of people who currently meet on a Yahoo group. The project to develop Folkspraak has yet to be completed and it is beset with disagreements over such features as phonology, orthography, vocabulary, grammar and syntax. The failure to reach agreement means that there is currently no "official" form of Folkspraak and there are a number of "dialects", which are individual group members´ versions of how they think the language should be.

The primary source languages used for the development of Folkspraak are English, Dutch, German, Danish, Norwegian Bokmål and Swedish - though some members refer to further languages, such as Frisian, Low German and Norwegian Nynorsk. The divergence of the source languages means it has frequently proven harder than first anticipated to find elements sufficient to operate the language that are truly common to a majority of the source languages.


The Folkspraak described below is the "dialect" of Folkspraak Yahoo member David Parke.


Sample text in Folkspraak

All mensklik wesings âre boren frî on' gelîk in werdigheid on' rejte. Ðê âre begifted mid ferstand on' gewitt on' skulde behandele êlkên in en gêst av brôderhêd.

Translation

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
(Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights)


http://www.omniglot..../folkspraak.htm

Links
http://tech.groups.y...lkspraak/links/

Numbers:
http://en.wikibooks....lksprak/Numbers



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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:27 AM

View Postspud the mackem, on 04 December 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

English is the recognised World language,so whats the arguement. ...
Well, to anyone who is not interested in etymology, there is no "argument". That said, my guess is that most etymologists would be very much interested in resolving the questions raised in the OP.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:35 AM

English is NOT Skandinavian,it is comprised of many different Languages melded together over centuries,to form a fundamental language that people understood,caused by invaders/traders and other visitors.There is for example bits of Anglo,Saxon,Viking,Roman,French,incorporated into 1 language.But even today there are many different dialects in England,that  sometimes we have difficulty in understanding,unless listened to intently.So the Linguist who brought this up,can Hadaway an divvent tark umptybacked. hahahahahahaha

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:46 AM

why aye mun


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:56 AM

What was the topic of this thread?

Oh yes, about English, the language. Spoken by people in more countries in the world than any other language, the international language of commerce, international travel...

This Scandinavian academic whatever is just plain dirty that no-one wanders around going ABBA and fjord in their daily lives.

English actively welcomes new words and phrases and incorporates them into common usage. That's why it only takes 4 or 5 words in English to say something than 39 in French or German. Or Danish. Or Swedish.

English - the living language.

The others - use English to survive.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

There is a small element of truth in the OP inasmuch that some of the areas held directly under the Danelaw did form the basis of later forms of English, but I believe the effect was minimal. I think spud's post (#19) has it about right. I could nose-dive into my files and concoct an hour-long lecture on this, but I doubt I'd make many friends on the site!

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:19 PM

View PostAntilles, on 04 December 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

What was the topic of this thread?

Oh yes, about English, the language. Spoken by people in more countries in the world than any other language, the international language of commerce, international travel...

This Scandinavian academic whatever is just plain dirty that no-one wanders around going ABBA and fjord in their daily lives.

English actively welcomes new words and phrases and incorporates them into common usage. That's why it only takes 4 or 5 words in English to say something than 39 in French or German. Or Danish. Or Swedish.

English - the living language.

The others - use English to survive.

Let;s see.....


What was the topic of this thread? (7)
Wat was het onderwerp van deze draad?(7)

Oh yes, about English, the language. Spoken by people in more countries in the world than any other language, the international language of commerce, international travel...(26)
O ja, over Engels, de taal. Gesproken door mensen in meer landen in de wereld dan enige ander taal, de internationale handelstaal, internationale reizen...(24)

This Scandinavian academic whatever is just plain dirty that no-one wanders around going ABBA and fjord in their daily lives.(20)
Deze Scandinavische academicus of zo baalt gewoonweg omdat niemand rondzwerft met ABBA en fjord in hun dagelijkse leven.(18)


English actively welcomes new words and phrases and incorporates them into common usage. That's why it only takes 4 or 5 words in English to say something than 39 in French or German. Or Danish. Or Swedish.(38)
Engels verwelkomt aktief nieuwe woorden en frasen en lijft ze voor algemeen gebruik in. Dat is waarom alleen 4 of 5 woorden nodig zijn om iets te zeggen, in plaats van 39 in Frans of Duits. Of Deens. Of Zweeds.(40)

English - the living language.(4)
Engels - de levende taal.(4)

The others - use English to survive.(6)
De anderen - gebruiken Engels om te overleven.(7)


English: 101 words.
Dutch: 100 words.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:50 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 04 December 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

Let;s see.....


What was the topic of this thread? (7)
Wat was het onderwerp van deze draad?(7)

Oh yes, about English, the language. Spoken by people in more countries in the world than any other language, the international language of commerce, international travel...(26)
O ja, over Engels, de taal. Gesproken door mensen in meer landen in de wereld dan enige ander taal, de internationale handelstaal, internationale reizen...(24)

This Scandinavian academic whatever is just plain dirty that no-one wanders around going ABBA and fjord in their daily lives.(20)
Deze Scandinavische academicus of zo baalt gewoonweg omdat niemand rondzwerft met ABBA en fjord in hun dagelijkse leven.(18)


English actively welcomes new words and phrases and incorporates them into common usage. That's why it only takes 4 or 5 words in English to say something than 39 in French or German. Or Danish. Or Swedish.(38)
Engels verwelkomt aktief nieuwe woorden en frasen en lijft ze voor algemeen gebruik in. Dat is waarom alleen 4 of 5 woorden nodig zijn om iets te zeggen, in plaats van 39 in Frans of Duits. Of Deens. Of Zweeds.(40)

English - the living language.(4)
Engels - de levende taal.(4)

The others - use English to survive.(6)
De anderen - gebruiken Engels om te overleven.(7)


English: 101 words.
Dutch: 100 words.
  Hartelijk dank,Goedenacht .......Vielen dank,Gutenacht.....Is there a bit of German in your Dutch, or a bit of Dutch in your German ?......Thankyou very much,Goodnight

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 05:03 PM

This entire topic is double Dutch...
and what is this "Hadaway an divvent tark umptybacked" google does not even see what language it is :wacko:


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 05:20 PM

View PostAtentutankh-pasheri, on 04 December 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

This entire topic is double Dutch...
and what is this "Hadaway an divvent tark umptybacked" google does not even see what language it is :wacko:
  That my friend is a common language in the North East of England, but as poor old Google is American they wouldnt have a clue..Translated it means "go away and dont talk rubbish".This language is spoken by about 2 million people.Cheers.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:51 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 04 December 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

That my friend is a common language in the North East of England, but as poor old Google is American they wouldnt have a clue..Translated it means "go away and dont talk rubbish".This language is spoken by about 2 million people.Cheers.
and i still have problems with there and their, were and where and witch wich is which. madness, madness.......


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:53 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 04 December 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Hartelijk dank,Goedenacht .......Vielen dank,Gutenacht.....Is there a bit of German in your Dutch, or a bit of Dutch in your German ?......Thankyou very much,Goodnight

It's a Germanic language, right? So yeah, of course.

Hartelijk = herzlich


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:05 PM

View PostLRW, on 03 December 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Real german language is long dead. Latin alphabet degraded the original languages and scripts of northerners.

When was the last time you read and spoke German?

But yeah, we don't use runes anymore.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:14 PM

View PostKarlis, on 28 November 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

English is in reality a Scandinavian language.This breaks with what other language researchers believe

"Modern English is a direct descendant of the language of Scandinavians who settled in the British Isles in the course of many centuries, before the French-speaking Normans conquered the country in 1066," says Faarlund. He points out that Old English and Modern English are two very different languages. Why?
   "We believe it is because Old English quite simply died out while Scandinavian survived, albeit strongly influenced of course by Old English," he says.
Read more here

The reason why when you read an English sentence and compare it to a German one that there is so much difference is many of our present day English words are Norman.

There is very little Sandinavian at all.





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