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[the L]

Abramelin, on 20 October 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

That's the way they explain what they experience. "The plants told them" is what we would call "I was under the influence of drugs".

You could be no doubt about it if you wanted to become one.
Plant spirit., essence told him. They spoke with spirits under different state of mind. And they brought all kinds of medicine.

There is three way to become shaman around world.

1. That you hear voices as child. That you have dreams. So you are born.
2. That you are near death. you healed yourself so you know how spirit can heal so you heal other.
2. That you are trained. That kind of Shamans are amazon shamans. They take Aya countless time untill they grasp obverse of time.

Abramelin, on 20 October 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

L, I am talking about MILLENNIA of experience.

Do you have any idea how much people can learn from experience during that time?

64 billions couldnt.

Edited by the L, 20 October 2012 - 07:03 PM.

[the L]

I just become Alien Abducter.

When humans came in Amazon forest?

Edited by the L, 20 October 2012 - 07:04 PM.

[Abramelin]

Jesus. L, I have LIVED with these guys. You talk books, I talk living there.

And they thought I was some kind of weird 'gringo', little bit nuts and so kind of suitable for conveying their message/belief to.

I'll tell you what: these guys knew a goddamn lot about herbs and their effect, but they had a way of explaining these effects that is not ours.

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Edited by Abramelin, 20 October 2012 - 07:07 PM.

[Abramelin]

64 billions couldnt?

What 64 billions?

Ah, don't tell me: Villoldo?

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Edited by Abramelin, 20 October 2012 - 07:08 PM.

[the L]

Archaeologists and historians like to think that we know much. But so the people in 11 century. Or in 15. Or 18 or 19.

Mythology is often debunked. Yet we found Troy. Bible is debunked. Yet we have evidence of Great Flood.
In Mesopotamia we can see which citiey were before  flood which not.

In 2001 BBC spoke how we found with ( infrared?) satelite image new river around Indus valley civilization.
That is mythical Saraswati river mention in Vedic and Mahabharata.

We still dont understand how climate cause civilization?

Shadow river in Saudi Arabia which probably cause flood in Sumer...

[the L]

Abramelin, on 20 October 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

64 billions couldnt?

What 64 billions?

Ah, don't tell me: Villoldo?

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Chance to made Ayahuasca there is 1:64 billion. To choose two plants from 80 000.

[the L]

Abramelin, on 20 October 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

I'll tell you what: these guys knew a goddamn lot about herbs and their effect, but they had a way of explaining these effects that is not ours.

In one hectar in peru they found 314 different plants. While in whole Europe we have cca 250 spicies of plants. They knew exactly how to made potion from two plants from 80 000.
It is extraordinary especially when we add that they cooked it for 12 hours. 64 billion combination.

[Abramelin]

Tell me about it.

You are at least as screwed as i am now, eh?

[the L]

Abramelin, on 20 October 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Tell me about it.

You are at least as screwed as i am now, eh?

I calculated that if they have 80 000 plants. And need two. and cooked 12 hours.
They must cooked 8,7 million years to try all 64 billion combination.

So method of trying is just redicule imo.

[Abramelin]

No way. You need more booze to think like they did.

Trial and error, a process that takes maybe a thousand years to find out what herb is good for you , what herb is not, and what herb will give you that needed 'spiritual' feeling.

Heh, you must be a city-slicker. I have no doubts about that. I have met several of your country men that understood what I was talking about.

I am glad I am the son of a farmer.

And, btw, you calculated wrong.

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Edited by Abramelin, 20 October 2012 - 07:53 PM.

[the L]

Whats then right calculation for 64 billions combination for 12 hours of cooking?
Im urban child. I was raised in concrete jungle.

[orangepeaceful79]

Abramelin, on 20 October 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

Jesus. L, I have LIVED with these guys. You talk books, I talk living there.

And they thought I was some kind of weird 'gringo', little bit nuts and so kind of suitable for conveying their message/belief to.

I'll tell you what: these guys knew a goddamn lot about herbs and their effect, but they had a way of explaining these effects that is not ours.

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You mean real life experience trumps a bunch of crapola you can read on fringe websites?  Whoa....    

Thank you for sharing your FIRST HAND knowledge, Abramelin - your contributions further the debate in a way that nothing anybody read on the internet ever could.  

[the L]

orangepeaceful79, on 20 October 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

You mean real life experience trumps a bunch of crapola you can read on fringe websites?  Whoa....

Thank you for sharing your FIRST HAND knowledge, Abramelin - your contributions further the debate in a way that nothing anybody read on the internet ever could.  

Laws of math are same here, Brasil,Peru and Andromeda.

[Myles]

the L, on 20 October 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

Thing is that Ayahuasca is mystery. We will never grasp it. We made colleges to train people to understand shamans yet we failed.
Shamans will always beat Anthropologists. Now what does tell us? Who is smarter and wiser?

To make that statement shows much ignorance.

[Myles]

the L, on 20 October 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

I calculated that if they have 80 000 plants. And need two. and cooked 12 hours.
They must cooked 8,7 million years to try all 64 billion combination.

So method of trying is just redicule imo.

Perhaps they just got lucky.