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New Wikileaks: Israeli Ties to 9/11 Attack


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#16    Little Fish

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostMacsMom, on 28 August 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

Please forgive my ignorance on this, as I have largely avoided digging into WikiLeaks, and I may be reading this completely wrong.

The email was so important that it was sent from a public server (earthlink) which is probably about as secure as Google.

And the email was so important that, instead of sending to someone within the organization, it was sent via a public and generic form to an unknown recipient.

Am I reading this correctly or am I misinformed?
Email-ID 1332210 Date 2011-05-04 16:26:59 From jetdrive@earthlink.net To responses@stratfor.com
CROYDON KEMP sent a message using the contact form at
https://www.stratfor.com/contact.
the article was published by wayne madsen in january 2011 and is in the public domain, here
http://www.waynemads...ticles/20110122

the email you are referring to was sent months later, and is someone just saying "hey, stratfor assimulate this", all wikileaks did was publish 5 million emails hacked by Anonymous (both likely intel fronts imo)

read the actual article here (the link above is for subscribers) :
http://www.opinion-m...igence-reports/

Edited by Little Fish, 28 August 2013 - 04:03 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:05 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 28 August 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

the article was published by wayne madsen in january 2011 and is in the public domain, here
http://www.waynemads...ticles/20110122

the email you are referring to was sent months later, and is someone just saying "hey, stratfor assimulate this", all wikileaks did was publish 5 million emails hacked by Anonymous (both likely intel fronts imo)

read the actual article here (the link above is for subscribers) :
http://www.opinion-m...igence-reports/

Oh Wow.....That's interesting. Not sure what to make of it...  :unsure2:

Edited by Kowalski, 28 August 2013 - 04:09 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:52 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 28 August 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

the article was published by wayne madsen in january 2011 and is in the public domain, here
http://www.waynemads...ticles/20110122

the email you are referring to was sent months later, and is someone just saying "hey, stratfor assimulate this", all wikileaks did was publish 5 million emails hacked by Anonymous (both likely intel fronts imo)

read the actual article here (the link above is for subscribers) :
http://www.opinion-m...igence-reports/

How often have I warned the conspiracy folks to beware of false and misleading information, but it seems such warnings have fallen on deaf ears. For an example, Israel was one of a number of countries that warned the United States that Muslim terrorist would attack America, so why would Israel issue such warnings if they controlled the terrorist.

Now, let's take a look here.

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Israel Warns the United States of Terrorist intensions  

The Associated Press reported that "Israeli intelligence services were aware several months before Sept. 11 that bin Laden was planning a large-scale terror attack" and that this information was passed on to Washington. According to Fox News, In August 2001, Israel warned the US that an al-Qaeda attack is imminent.

Reportedly, two high-ranking agents from the Mossad came to Washington and warned the FBI and CIA that up to 200 terrorists have slipped into the US and are planning "a major assault on the United States... [on a] large scale target."

An Islamic terrorist conspiracy was uncovered in 1996 in the Philippines to hijack a dozen airplanes and fly them into CIA headquarters and other buildings. Among the discoveries was a plot for a "bojinka" – a big bang.  The information was discovered on a computer and noted in the 1997 trial of Ramzi Yousef, one of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers.

http://www.foxnews.c...3,53065,00.html


Nothing there about the Mossad controlling the 911 terrorist and yet you posted another piece of disformation that I have warned about. Didn't you even bother to check the background of Wayne Madsen before you posted the links?

Wayne Madsen

http://unknownnews.o...ayneMadsen.html

It has been 12 years, so what action has been taken against the Israeli Mossad? Where's the evidence it was involved in the 911 attacks? You can't use Wayne Madsen because he has been discredited.

But wait, some conspiracist have said the United States government was behind the 911 attacks and now, it's the Mossad who controlled the terrorist who attacked America. Conspiracist are tripping over themselves in trying to put together disinformation, misinformation and outright lies in order to pull new conspiracy theories out of thin air. What's next?!

The fact that Israel was one of a number of countries warning the United States of an impending attack should have set off the alarm bell about Wayne Madsen's false claim but it seem that fact was overlooked which then commenced into another unfounded conspiracy theory.

Edited by skyeagle409, 28 August 2013 - 06:10 PM.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:43 PM

@skyeagle
do you understand that "fox news didn't report it so it's not true" is a fallacy of logic?
do you understand the ad hominem is also a logical fallacy?
do you get that logical fallacies discredit those that rely on them?
the greeks sorted all this out thousands of years ago.

you didn't even read the article.

"Halevy <chief of Mossad.> covered his tracks by reporting to the CIA of a "general threat" by an attack by Arab terrorists on a nuclear plant somewhere on the East Coast of the United States. CIA director George Tenet dismissed the Halevy warning as "too non-specific." The FBI, under soon-to-be-departed director Louis Freeh, received the "non-specific" warning about an attack on a nuclear power plant and sent out the information in its routine bulletins to field agents but no high alert was ordered."

Edited by Little Fish, 28 August 2013 - 07:47 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:28 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 28 August 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

@skyeagle
do you understand that "fox news didn't report it so it's not true" is a fallacy of logic?

It is all very simple to understand.

Now, where is the evidence the Israeli Mossad was responsible; evidence that CNN and other news organizations and a court of law will take seriously? After all, it has been 12 years since the 911 attacks and still no evidence implicating the U.S. government nor the Israeli Mossad in the 911 attacks.

Your mistake was not doing a background check on the author of that false story. The fact that Israeli citizens were killed during the 911 attack and Israel warned the United States of an impending attack should have told you that the story you posted was false.

Edited by skyeagle409, 28 August 2013 - 10:39 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:51 AM

View PostLittle Fish, on 28 August 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

"Halevy <chief of Mossad.> covered his tracks by reporting to the CIA of a "general threat" by an attack by Arab terrorists on a nuclear plant somewhere on the East Coast of the United States. CIA director George Tenet dismissed the Halevy warning as "too non-specific." The FBI, under soon-to-be-departed director Louis Freeh, received the "non-specific" warning about an attack on a nuclear power plant and sent out the information in its routine bulletins to field agents but no high alert was ordered."

Let's take a look here.

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The Deafness Before the Storm

On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.”

A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

http://www.nytimes.c...1-warnings.html


Officials Told of 'Major Assault' Plans

WASHINGTON — FBI and CIA officials were advised in August that as many as 200 terrorists were slipping into this country and planning "a major assault on the United States," a high-ranking law enforcement official said Wednesday.

The advisory was passed on by the Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency. It cautioned that it had picked up indications of a "large-scale target" in the United States and that Americans would be "very vulnerable," the official said.

It was reported that the Mossad informed the FBI and CIA in August 2001 that as many as 200 terrorists were slipping into the United States and planning "a major assault on the United States." The Israeli intelligence agency allegedly cautioned the FBI that it had picked up indications of a "large-scale target" in the United States and that Americans would be "very vulnerable."

http://articles.lati...0/news/mn-47840


Clues Alerted White House to Potential Attacks

Based on its own intelligence, the Israeli government provided "general" information to the United States in the second week of August that an Al Qaeda attack was imminent.

– French intelligence echoed the "general" information in the final week of August.

– Russian President Vladimir Putin has said publicly that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the United States last summer that suicide pilots were training for attacks on U.S. targets.

– Millennium bomber Ahmad Ressam testified in closed and open court trials relating to his Dec. 1999 arrest for trying to bring bomb-making materials across the Canadian border that attack plans, including hijackings and attacks on New York City targets, were ongoing.

http://www.foxnews.c...l#ixzz2dJVS8xOc


C.I.A. Lays Out Errors It Made Before Sept. 11

WASHINGTON, Aug. 21 — A report released Tuesday by the Central Intelligence Agency includes new details of the agency’s missteps before the Sept. 11 attacks, outlining what the report says were failures to grasp the role being played by the terror mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and to assess fully the threats streaming into the C.I.A. in the summer of 2001.

http://www.worldsecu...admits-mistakes


FBI Chief Acknowledges 9/11 Errors

FBI Director Robert Mueller, acknowledging serious lapses in how the FBI mishandled some information prior to Sept. 11, suggested for the first time that investigators might have detected the terrorist plot if they had pursued leads more diligently.

Mueller's acknowledgment came amid two new disclosures of what could be missed hints about Sept. 11.

http://www.cbsnews.c...162-510607.html


FAA MOST RESPONSIBLE FOR 9-11

Despite a congressional panel investigating potential intelligence failures leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks releasing a report today that points to mistakes made by the CIA and FBI, an aviation security consultant says it is the Federal Aviation Administration that should take most of the blame for the tragedy.

http://www.wnd.com/2...iE4382TjQRiq.99


It was known that Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States, which is evident here.

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The stage was set to place attack plans into motion.

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Al-Qaeda released martyr videos for most of the 9/11 hijackers.

The Al Jazeera satellite network shows an hour-long video about al-Qaeda containing footage given to it from al-Qaeda of some of the 9/11 hijackers, including a martyr video from hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari (see September 9, 2002 and September 9, 2002).

A martyr video from hijacker Ahmed Alhaznawi was shown in April 2002. But this new hour-long video contains images of each of the hijacker teams that hijacked Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175 on September 11. These images show pictures of each hijacker in the team floating over a background.

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And yes, the infamous admission of Osama bin Laden who was not a member of Mossad admits his responsibility for the 911 attacks.

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Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.

http://www.pbs.org/n...n_10-29-04.html

In other words, Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda were responsible for the 911 attacks upon the United States, not the Israeli Mossad and Wayne Madsen pulled another trick from up his sleeve that was captured by 911 truthers because they didn't bother to do their homework nor even a background check on him. Many indicators that indicated he wasn't playing with a full deck.

Edited by skyeagle409, 29 August 2013 - 01:12 AM.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:45 PM

Spameagle puts it into overdrive! :tu:


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:20 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 August 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

Spameagle puts it into overdrive! :tu:
can you imagine if someone had said that santa claus doesn't exist, we'd be seeing pictures of christmas cards photoshopped against an arctic backdrop and links to reindeer and christmas trees and stuff.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:35 PM

Good to see Babe and Fish countering Eagle with good evidence.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:02 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 August 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

Spameagle puts it into overdrive! :tu:

So, an endless spray of propaganda, lies, misinformation, paste-ups, and other assorted diarrhea doesn't gradually morph into 'truth'.

Poor Sky...

Edited by hacktorp, 29 August 2013 - 09:06 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:21 PM

View PostRafterman, on 29 August 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

Good to see Babe and Fish countering Eagle with good evidence.

False evidence. They should have done a background check on Wayne Madsen before they posted false stories.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:23 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 August 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

Spameagle puts it into overdrive! :tu:

Let 's just say, 'Reality Drive.' :yes:

Apparently, 911 truthers are not interested in doing homework or doing it right when they do.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:40 PM

View Posthacktorp, on 29 August 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

So, an endless spray of propaganda, lies, misinformation, paste-ups, and other assorted diarrhea doesn't gradually morph into 'truth'.

Poor Sky...

Facts, all facts! :yes:

All the 911 truthers have to do is to prove me wrong and if they try, I will challenge them to do their homework and the race will be on, but beware, they better know what you are talking about because I will make it known to all why I have correctly stated for the record that claims of 911 truthers are "ignorant-based."  

For an example, I was one of a number of people who'd posted a hoaxed video of WTC7 from Eddy Current, the same video that 911 truthers thought was authentic and as a result, some conspiracist theorist used that hoaxed video and thinking it supported their false claims, that is, until I posted the rest of the video and afterward, it became evident why the video was hoaxed, the hoaxed video of WTC7 was actually a reversed mirrored imagery of WTC7 and because many 911 truthers were such a feeding fenzy over that hoaxed video, they failed to notice multiple indicators the video was false. In case you missed that video, here it is again.



The way 911 truthers reacted over that hoaxed video before the rest of the video was revealed is typical of the way many 911 truthers do business and all I did was to reveal that truth for all to see.

Edited by skyeagle409, 29 August 2013 - 09:49 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:46 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 29 August 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

can you imagine if someone had said that santa claus doesn't exist, we'd be seeing pictures of christmas cards photoshopped against an arctic backdrop and links to reindeer and christmas trees and stuff.

All you have to do is to visit a mall before Christmas and chances are, you will see Santa sitting with a child on his lap.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:36 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 29 August 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

I was one of a number of people who'd posted a hoaxed video of WTC7 from Eddy Current
so you and eddy lied and that somehow discredits others? :rofl:
I recall the hoax fell apart within 24 hours, so nobody was fooled, although I remember posting that video here asking what others thought about it. whilst i shortly recognised it as a fake, it was interesting and amusing to see the prominent debunkers here argue vehemently that the explosion sounds were not explosives which proved they were not interested in any evidence, just denial, hilarious.





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