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[Mantis914]

Simbi Laveau, on 13 November 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

http://www.dallasnew...se-response.ece

Texas has asked to secede before ,or has dalied with the notion .
This request actually came from governor Rick Perry ,and this is the moron who lost to Obama last time.
Sour grapes .
(Yes I know he didnt run against him,but he was the candidate that was the comic relief of the last election)
These idiots do realize they will now all need passports ,to go into other states if they do this..
I think its time for Obama to tighten immigration laws,and see how they like it,if they need a visa to visit relatives in other states .
Morons .

Oh now we push for tighter immigration laws when we've been calling on the federal government for help with that for decades now???   Out of sight, out of mind, right?   Wow.....

[Wickian]

I suppose it's a decent way to show how split the country is becoming, but nothing good can come from states splitting.  It would start a very dangerous precedent.

Edited by Wickian, 14 November 2012 - 03:11 AM.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

spud the mackem, on 14 November 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

A hypothetical question :- If Texas did leave, then a foreign power sailed into Galveston or another port and gave an ultimatum, Surrender or we'll take you out.Would America go to their aid, as they have just dumped the rest of the States.

If the same happened to Mexico, what would America do? It's in America's best interest to act in that event.

[Kafkaesque]

Lilly, on 14 November 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

Looks like there might be a bit of a backlash to all this secession stuff:


https://petitions.wh...e-them/ZbMjcwPf

If that even passes, which I highly doubt, it looks like me and the other 90,000 people who signed the petition are going on a vacation.

[The Unseen]

Professor T, on 13 November 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

*evil Professor mode*

Does Texas have nukes?

What do you think,

[Professor T]

The Unseen, on 14 November 2012 - 04:51 AM, said:

What do you think,

In keeping with modes of responses on this thread I have two opinions..

*evil professor mode*
I think civil war is looming in the states again...  
Texas will suceed, followed by most other "republican controlled states" after very brief but very agressive actions taken by the Feds against the local government of wisconsin. It wont go nuclear.. But there will be a civil war.. When push comes to shove, things may start turning for the worse, and that's when TPTB will start throwing people in camps if they are of the "wrong mindset"

*Normal professor mode*
Where there is devision in politics and especially in money, lines are drawn on maps..
While this could signal some serious altercations to come I don't think it will come to war.. But these kind of devisive actions need to be nipped in the bud before they cause real and irriversable actions..  
The whole thing is a pathetic red versus blue mind game.. People are neither red nor blue, and it is people that matter, not politics, not money. and people need to see it for what it really is, and not fall into mindless false camps of politics and money. Unfortunately, like most governements, those in power run the camps of politics and bow to money..

Edited to add: Evil professor is flamebaiting for a laugh. & Normal professor only knows the gist of American civil war history..

Edited by Professor T, 14 November 2012 - 05:56 AM.

[EllJay]

Drayno, on 14 November 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

Had the rebellion in the Civil War lasted a longer period of time, with greater victories, then the international stage would have been quite different at the start of the 20th century as they probably would have acknowledged the south as independent..

Or maybe, it would have been something like this>>>



http://en.wikipedia....ates_of_America

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Drayno, on 13 November 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

The various states opting for secession after the re-election of Obama reminds me how the original rebel states seceded after the election of Lincoln.

Not quite, not quite. With Lincoln and the anti-slavery course the South had a real gripe, with Obama it is just sour grapes. The Republicans had the best chance to take the Hill and the White House in more than a century and screwed it up royally. Instead of asking themselves if they are still relevant to those who matter in the elections (or called by the name: the swing voters) they now try to retire to the sulking corner, or at least the more fanatic are.

Edited by questionmark, 14 November 2012 - 02:49 PM.

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Wearer of Hats, on 14 November 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

If the same happened to Mexico, what would America do? It's in America's best interest to act in that event.

Or not. Sometimes sitting on the fence benefits you more than taking part.

[joc]

The truth is...the red states are just very, very, tired of the game...but they are not going to secede...not Texas, nor anyone else....

...that being said...the spit hasn't hit the fan blades yet either...but the idea that states could secede if they wanted to just goes to show you how naive some are about the power of the Federal Government...like they would ever allow that to happen.

[questionmark]

In any case, looks like some of the liberal commentators are starting to form the backlash:

Washington Post said:

The Confederacy of Takers

President Obama’s opponents have unwittingly come up with a brilliant plan to avoid the “fiscal cliff.” They want to secede from the union.

If Obama were serious about being a good steward of the nation’s finances, he’d let them.

The White House, in one of those astro-turf efforts that make people feel warm about small-d democracy, launched a “We the People” program on its Web site last year, allowing Americans to petition their government for a redress of grievances. Any petition that receives 25,000 or more signatures within 30 days is promised a response (though not necessarily a favorable one) from the Obama administration.

And so a large number of patriotic Americans, mostly from states won by Mitt Romney last week, have petitioned the White House to let them secede. They should be careful about what they wish for. It would be excellent financial news for those of us left behind if Obama were to grant a number of the rebel states their wish “to withdraw from the United States and create [their] own NEW government” (the petitions emphasize “new” by capitalizing it).

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[Colonel Rhuairidh]

joc, on 14 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

The truth is...the red states are just very, very, tired of the game...but they are not going to secede...not Texas, nor anyone else....

Are not the red states equally to blame for the "game", if the "game" is the perpetual us-versus-them game of party partisanship? If the "game", however, is that the People have a say in who they would rather have, out of a very limited and sometimes not particularly enticing choice, do they really have any grounds to complain if the People chose the other party to the one they prefer?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

* incidentally, I always find the use of Red to denote the Republican party slightly amusing, as of course it's the colour of Socialism. It always makes me think of Joe McCarthy and the Red Menace. "better Dead than Red".

* I find that it's only since the contraversial 2000 election that it's become a convention, mainly it seems, for the convenience of the hard of thinking, since according to Archie Tse, a graphics editor at the Noo York Times: "Both Republican and red start with the letter R," he said.

Edited by 747400, 14 November 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[shaddow134]

Just seen a poll on CNN and 53% say that the GOP will be to blame if an agreement over the Fiscal Cliff cannot be reached.

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shaddow134, on 14 November 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

Just seen a poll on CNN and 53% say that the GOP will be to blame if an agreement over the Fiscal Cliff cannot be reached.

Not surprising as it is consistent with those who voted for Obama.