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#31    Royal

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:29 PM

The fact is man invented time as a way of bringing order to and compartmentalizing the day and night,and then later as our understanding of the seasons and the cosmos expanded we were able to use this tool to further civilization by identifying weeks, months,years etc. No need for a deity on this one. Danielost, not sure what you meant by " So that all things on earth did not happen all at once".

Edited by Royal, 15 March 2013 - 12:41 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:28 PM

People invented units to talk about time and devices to measure it, but surely you don't think we invented time itself?


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:55 PM

View PostRoyal, on 15 March 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

The fact is man invented time as a way of bringing order to and compartmentalizing the day and night,and then later as our understanding of the seasons and the cosmos expanded we were able to use this tool to further civilization by identifying weeks, months,years etc. No need for a deity on this one. Danielost, not sure what you meant by " So that all things on earth did not happen all at once".

That would be so that the past, present, and future don't take place at once.

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I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other Mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:10 PM

View Postdanielost, on 15 March 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

That would be so that the past, present, and future don't take place at once.
But "all at once" is also a time-specific reference.  Is it not?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:13 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 15 March 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

People invented units to talk about time and devices to measure it, but surely you don't think we invented time itself?
  Time the way we understand it is immaterial to anyone but us.Rocks,creatures,plants, planets cannot tell time the way we tell time,and don't call me shirley.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:15 PM

View Postdanielost, on 15 March 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

That would be so that the past, present, and future don't take place at once.
How could this happen anyway?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:33 PM

The greatest mountains erode away.  Time happens to everything.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:20 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 15 March 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

The greatest mountains erode away.  Time happens to everything.
I agree time happens to everything, but time only means something to us. Even all the other living creatures on this planet do not understand the concept of time, they may feel the effects of time, but they do not know that it is March 15,2013 according to the Gregorian calendar.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:42 PM

View PostRoyal, on 15 March 2013 - 06:20 PM, said:

I agree time happens to everything, but time only means something to us. Even all the other living creatures on this planet do not understand the concept of time, they may feel the effects of time, but they do not know that it is March 15,2013 according to the Gregorian calendar.

The plant eaters follow the grass.  The meat eaters stay put.

God created the seasons at the start of the world.  Later he created months so that the Isrealites could have three holidays.  Man created hours, minutes, and seconds.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

View Postdanielost, on 15 March 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

The plant eaters follow the grass.  The meat eaters stay put.

God created the seasons at the start of the world.  Later he created months so that the Isrealites could have three holidays.  Man created hours, minutes, and seconds.
   First thing, the carnivores follow the food source wherever it goes,Second; which deity created the Chinese calendar  with it's months and seasons?

Edited by Royal, 15 March 2013 - 10:01 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 15 March 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

Arguments that wind down to things like, "Since the existence of nothing is a contradiction in terms then something has to exist and that is God" never made much sense to me, and I don't think I'm alone.

Better known as the g-d  of gaps argument.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 12:23 AM

View PostRoyal, on 15 March 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

First thing, the carnivores follow the food source wherever it goes,Second; which deity created the Chinese calendar  with it's months and seasons?

You need to watch big cat diary.

I didn't say all calendars were made by god.  I know of four calenders in use today.  Not sure the buddist have their own calenders, or the other religeons.

I am a Mormon.  If I don't use Mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:23 AM

View Postdanielost, on 16 March 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:

You need to watch big cat diary.

I didn't say all calendars were made by god.  I know of four calenders in use today.  Not sure the buddist have their own calenders, or the other religeons.
   No what you said was that God created months, to which I asked you if God created the Chinese version of months? Also I don't need to watch a tv show to know that all carnivores don't sit back and wait for the Gazeles to return from spring break, and what that has to do with the OP, I have no idea.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:57 AM

Vietnam used the standard Western calendar except that the names of the months and of the days of the week aren't named after ancient deities but are simply counting numbers preceded by a "month" or a "day" specifier (a "specifier" is a part of speech not found much in English that tells you what kind of thing you are talking about).

One other difference: we use CE and BCE rather than AD and BC.

There also exists the "lunar calendar" (the Western calendar is generally called the "solar calendar").  It is uses to calculate certain dates (mainly when Tet begins) but otherwise generally ignored.  I think the Vietnames lunar calendar came from China.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:43 AM

More then one definition of time. Time in this case is just a sequential progression of things that exist.  Like using letters and spaces to form words and sentences is shows how time works. The faster you type the measurement of time in wpm will become distorted but the sequential progression of the letters and spaces still stays the same. (Both versions of time are taking in to consideration there :P)

Time didn't have to be created, It's a byproduct of existence.

Never understood God concepts like these involving trying to convince yourself that nothing is actually something.

Edited by Jinxdom, 16 March 2013 - 09:14 AM.





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