The mystery of the dancing Israelis

[Warpigs]

911/ War onTerrorism(Part1) (continued)

by ANONYMOUS

THE DANCING ISRAELIS

Like most Americans, I was gripped by senses of profound shock, horror, revulsion, sadness, and rage as I watched the horror of September 11, 2001 unfolding live on my television screen.

Watching the mass murder of thousands of innocent people live on television was the most upsetting experience of my life. How could any person of sound moral character not be enraged at witnessing this horrific act of barbarism?

To read about some faraway, long-ago genocide in a newspaper or a book is distressing enough. But to actually witness the mass murders of what was, at first, believed to have been tens of thousands of innocent people is truly heart stopping and traumatic. I barely slept for two nights afterwards and suffered nightmares. Polling data would later reveal that 65% of Americans actually shed tears on 9-11.1

But not all of the eye-witnesses to the 9-11 slaughter were so saddened.

On September 11, five Israeli army veterans were arrested by the FBI after several witnesses saw them "dancing", "high-fiving", and "celebrating" as they took pictures of the World Trade Center disaster from across the river in New Jersey.

Steven Gordon was the lawyer who volunteered to represent the five Israelis. He was asked by a Hebrew newspaper why the five men were being detained by the FBI. Here's what Gordon told Yediot America:

"On the day of the disaster, three of the five boys went up on the roof of the building where the company office is located," said Gordon. "I'm not sure if they saw the twin towers collapse, but, in any event, they photographed the ruins right afterwards. One of the neighbors who saw them called the police and claimed they were posing, dancing and laughing, against the background of the burning towers&ldots;.

"Anyhow, the three left the roof, took an Urban truck, and drove to a parking lot, located about a five-minute drive from the offices. They parked, stood on the roof of the truck to get a better view of the destroyed towers and took photographs. A woman who was in the building above the lot testified that she saw them smiling and exchanging high-fives. She and another neighbor called the police and reported on Middle-Eastern looking people dancing on the truck. They copied and reported the license plates. 2

When the photos were developed, they revealed that the dancing Israelis were smiling in the foreground of the New York massacre. 3 According to ABC's 20/20 attempted whitewash of the incident, in addition to their outrageous and highly suspicious behavior, the five also had in their possession the following items; box-cutters, European passports, and $4700 cash hidden in a sock. 4 Why were these Israeli agents so happy about the horrible massacre that was unfolding right before their very eyes? What evil spirit could possess people who are supposed to be America's "allies", and who receive billions of dollars in financial and military aid from US taxpayers each year , to publicly rejoice as innocent people (including many American jews) were burning to death and jumping out of 110 story buildings? Could it be that these happy Israeli army veterans were in some way linked to this monstrous attack? That's what officials close to the investigation initially told The Bergen Record newspaper of New Jersey. 5

As incredible, as ridiculous, and as "paranoid" as that belief may appear to you at this point, the fact is that certain elements within the Israeli government, and Zionist movement in general, have a long history of attacking the USA and framing Arabs in order to gain support from the US. Before we begin to piece together what really transpired on 9-11, it is absolutely critical that we first review some historical precedents regarding Israel's and International Zionism's treacherous history of manipulating America (and other nations) for their own selfish purposes. Without a basic understanding of this history, it would be impossible to understand the truth as it is today. So put aside your preconceived notions, your psychological defense mechanisms, and your prejudices, and step into my time machine for a journey down the memory hole.

Edited October 15, 2004 by Warpigs

[Warpigs]

How was Israel created, and how did that eventually lead to the first Gulf War?

ZIONISM AND WORLD WAR I

In the latter part of the 1800's, there arose in Europe a political movement known as "Zionism". Zionism in particular referred to the effort among certain jews to establish a jewish nation in the land of Palestine. Today, the term Zionism is more commonly applied to those jews who want to expand the borders of what was already established, at the expense of the Palestinians who once owned the land. In a more general sense, the term "Zionist" is also used to describe a certain element within the jewish community (not all of them!), who believe in Jewish Supremacy, thus putting their own interests ahead of those of the nation in which they reside. It is a mistake to assume that all jews are supporters of the "Zionist Mafia" or Jewish Supremacy. In fact, some of the strongest condemnations of Zionism and Jewish Supremacy comes from jews themselves! There exists an enormous collection of hard-hitting anti-Zionist writings compiled by such notable jewish authors, historians, and journalists as John Sack, 6 Alfred Lilienthal, 7 Noam Chomsky, 8 Israel Shahak, 9, Benjamin Freedman, 10 and Victor Ostrovsky 11 just to name a few. There is even a jewish religious group called "Neturei Karta, Jews United Against Zionism." 12 For their brave efforts, these men have had to tolerate vicious abuse from Zionist smear groups like the Anti Defamation League (ADL) - an organization which actually specializes in defamation!. So let us put to rest now and forever the slanderous lie, and strategic Zionist propaganda ploy, that labels anyone who dares to call attention to the dangers of the Zionist Mafia is an "anti-semite", a "hatemonger", or a "skin-head".

Now the Zionists of the late 1800's faced one small problem with their bold takeover scheme of Arab Palestine. Palestine was under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Turkish Empire and the Arabs certainly weren't about to just give away prime real estate in Palestine to the Zionists of Europe. There were very few jews even living in Palestine and the jews had not controlled Palestine since the days of the Roman Empire. This destroys the commonly believed myth that the Arabs and the jews "have been fighting over that land for centuries". The handful of Arab jews who lived in Palestine got along well with their Muslim hosts and never expressed any desire whatsoever to overthrow the Ottoman rulers and set up a nation called Israel. The movement to strip Palestine away from the Ottoman Empire came strictly from European Zionists who had become very influential within several European nations.

As fate (or perhaps design) would have it, a great opportunity would soon present itself to the Zionist Mafia. There came in 1914 "The Great War" pitting the three powers of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman Turkish Empire against the three powers of England, France, and Russia. In the interests of staying on the subject of 9-11 and today's "War on Terrorism", we won't get into all of the underlying causes or the historical flow of World War I. What we need to understand is that the Zionists played an important role in dragging the USA into that bloody European war - a war in which the US had no vital interests at stake whatsoever.

Here was the situation. By 1916, the Germans, Austrians, and Ottoman Turks had seemingly won the war. Russia was in turmoil and about to be swallowed up by communist revolution. France had suffered horrible losses, and Britain was under a German U-boat blockade. Germany made an offer to Britain to end the war under conditions favorable to Britain. But the British, and the international Zionists, had one more card to play!

The British government and the Zionist leaders struck a dirty deal. The Zionists were led by Chaim Weizmann, the man who one day become the first President of the State of Israel. The idea was for the Zionists to use their influence to drag the mighty USA into the war on Britain's side, so that Germany and it's Ottoman allies could be crushed. In exchange for helping to bring the USA into the war, the British would reward the Zionists by taking over Palestine from the conquered Ottomans after the war was over. The British had originally wanted to give the Zionists a jewish homeland in an African territory. But the Zionists were fixated on claiming Palestine as their land. Once under British control, the jews of Europe would be allowed to immigrate to Palestine in great numbers.

Zionists powerbrokers such as Bernard Baruch, Louis Brandeis, Paul Warburg, Jacob Schiff, and many others immediately went to work to put the screws to President Woodrow Wilson. The Zionist influenced press, quickly transformed the German Kaiser and his people into bloodthirsty "Huns", determined to destroy civilization. In 1916, the US, with the help of the Lusitania "incident", entered the war on Britain's side under the ridiculous pretext of "making the world safe for democracy".

Meanwhile in Germany - where Zionists also wielded tremendous influence in the press and industry- enthusiasm for the war was suddenly watered down by Zionist run newspapers. Wartime labor-strikes in German weapons factories were organized by Zionist and Marxist union leaders. With the German branch of the International Zionist Mafia undermining Germany from within, and the English and American branches of the Zionist mafia pushing America to join the war, it wasn't long before the German, Austrian, and Ottoman Empires were defeated and their maps rewritten by the victorious powers at the infamous Treaty of Versailles in 1918. In addition to the numerous Zionist bankers who were influencing Versailles, the Zionists also had their own delegation which was headed by Chaim Weizmann.

Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration in November 1917, the same month that Germany surrendered. But it had actually been prepared 20 months earlier in March 1916 with Weizmann's influence. 13 The Declaration allowed mass jewish immigration to conquered Palestine while promising to preserve Arab rights. The Arabs living in Palestine weren't buying these promises. They protested, but there was nothing that they could do to stop the coming wave of jewish immigration. This was the first step in creating what was to later become the state of Israel 20 years later.

Years after the war, an American Zionist millionaire named Benjamin Freedman broke ranks with his fellow Zionists and turned against them. Freedman was the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company and was one of the many Zionists present at the Treaty of Versailles. Freedman was very well connected and had enjoyed access to several US presidents. Freedman grew disgusted with the criminal behavior of the Zionist mafia and dedicated much of his life and fortune to exposing the truth about both World Wars and the Zionist grip on America. According to Freedman, Wilson had been blackmailed by Zionists with the threat of a public disclosure of an old extramarital affair Wilson had when he was president of Princeton University. 14 Freedman's voluminous (and buried) writings and books on this subject are essential reading. One leader of the jewish Anti Defamation League - Arnold Forster- once described Freedman as a "self-hating jew." 15

We may debate as to exactly what extent this Zionist-British dirty deal was responsible for dragging the sons of America off to die in a European bloodbath. Some, such as Freedman, believe it was the only reason that the US entered the war. Others, such as this writer, believe it was a primary contributing factor. But let us at this point agree on this one irrefutable point: the Zionists had no aversion to seeing Americans die for their own selfish interests. Even the Encyclopedia Britannica and Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia (look under "Balfour Declaration") confirm this little known fact of World War I. Here's the excerpt from Microsoft Encarta:

THE BALFOUR DECLARATION. The Balfour Declaration was a letter prepared in March 1916 and issued in November 1917, during World War I, by the British statesman Arthur James Balfour, then foreign secretary.... Specifically, the letter expressed the British government's approval of Zionism with "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people." The letter committed the British government to making the "best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done to prejudice the rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine." The immediate purpose was to win for the Allied cause in World War I the support of Jews in the warring nations and in the United States. As a result of the Balfour Declaration, Israel was established as an independent state in 1948 in the mandated area. 16 It's also worth mentioning at this point that when the British dismantled the Ottoman Empire after World War I, they created many smaller nations. The oil rich, puppet kingdom of Kuwait was formed by slicing off the southern coastal tip of what we now know as the nation of Iraq. As a result of this arbitrary redrawing of the Ottoman map, a bitter conflict was created between Iraq and Kuwait. Iraq has always considered Kuwait as its true southern province. This is what ultimately led to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1991 and the Gulf War.

You can read the rest of it, continuing on from this, here - http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societ...han_fiction.htm

Edited October 15, 2004 by Warpigs

[Fluffybunny]

What is your source for this?

Dang, where is Erikl when you need him?

Edited October 15, 2004 by Fluffybunny

[Warpigs]

And also remember that the Israelis were once enemies of the British. The Israeli terrorist organisation known as Haganah (of which Sharon was once a member) used to attack British soldiers, British Embassies and other British targets -

GREAT BRITAIN'S TURN TO BE BETRAYED

A few years after the end of World War II, the Zionist plan to establish the nation of Israel in Palestine was finally realized. But not before the British protectors of Palestine were chased out by acts of terror carried out by ungrateful Zionist terrorists. It was the British who had taken Palestine away from Arab control and allowed the jews of Europe to immigrate there. But with Great Britain weakened and in debt from the war, the ungrateful Zionists saw their opportunity to chase the British out of Palestine by committing acts of terrorism against them. The most notorious of the Zionist terror groups was the Irgun, whose leader Menachem Begin would one day go on to become Prime Minister of Israel!

On the morning of July 22, 1946, of 15-20 Irgun terrorists dressed as Arabs entered the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. They unloaded 225 kilograms of explosives hidden in milk churns. 23 The King David Hotel housed the Secretariat of the Government of Palestine and Headquarters of the British Forces in Palestine. When a British officer became suspicious, a shootout took place and the Irgun lit the fuses and fled. The explosion destroyed part of the hotel and killed 91 people. Most of the victims were British but 15 innocent jews also died, proving that radical Zionists are capable of even killing fellow jews in order to advance their cause.

The Irgun terror gang also targeted Arab civilians in order to frighten them into evacuating their land. The most well known of these massacres happened at the village of Deir Yassin on the morning of April 9, 1948. More than 100 Arabs, including women and children were systematically slaughtered by Menachem Begin's murderous gang. 24 The Israelis took over whatever villages the terrorized Arabs fled from.

By 1948, the British had had enough of Palestine. Under intense Zionist lobbying, the UN, the UK and the US recognized the nation of Israel in 1948. One of the first acts of the new Israeli government was to pass "the law of return", which gives any jew in the world the right to move to Israel and become a citizen. Understandably, the Arab nations weren't too pleased about this. There would be a several wars that followed. But the Israelis and their free arsenal of America's finest weapons kept the Arabs from reclaiming their land. The Arabs have never been a match for the US supplied Israeli war machine. The irony of "the law of return" is that many of today's jews have no direct ancestral link to the jews of the Old Testament. Many, perhaps even most jewish people are descended from the Khazars, a people whose rulers converted to Judaism sometime during the 800's AD. 25 The Khazars never even set foot in Palestine!

The brutal and criminal circumstances surrounding the creation of Israel are now a half century in the past. Even most Arabs understand that Israel isn't going to go away. But by reviewing this real history, we can better understand the deceptive, dangerous, and brutal nature of Zionism today.

We have reviewed how the Zionists used and discarded Germany. Then they used and discarded Great Britain. After World War II, it was clear that the chief remaining global power was the United States. Now the USA had never had any problem with the Arab people, and had no reason to quarrel with the Arabs. For the Zionists to maintain and expand the support they were receiving from America, it would benefit them greatly if the Arabs and the mighty US could somehow become enemies. Could the Zionists possibly stoop so low? Why not? Look at what they had already pulled off! Remember that the official motto of the Mossad (Israeli's intelligence organization) is "by way of deception thou shalt do war." 26

In 1955, one of these "false flag" operations was publicly exposed for the world to see. Israeli agents, impersonating Arab terrorists, were caught staging a series of bombings against American installations in Egypt. 27 When this conspiracy was exposed, it ultimately created such a controversy that it brought down the Israeli government. The long since forgotten scandal became known as "the Lavon Affair".

Then again during a 1967 war with the Arabs, Israeli gunboats and fighter jets deliberately attacked the USS Liberty, an unarmed US communications ship. 28 Thirty five American sailors were murdered and 170 others injured in a prolonged Israeli onslaught - carried out in broad daylight and with the U.S. flag flying prominently. The intent was to kill all of the Americans and then leave the Egyptians to take the blame. Israel denied that the attack was deliberate but the chilling stories of the lucky American survivors clearly contradicts that lie. To this very day, the U.S. Congress has never investigated the USS Liberty massacre.

In 1989, the Israelis once again succeeded in framing enemy Arabs in order to enrage America. Former Mossad case officer Victor Ostrosvky became so disgusted with the criminal behavior of his own government that he defected from the Mossad and tried to warn America of just how evil and dangerous they were. Ostrovsky revealed exactly how the Israelis framed Libya for the bombing of a German night club which killed American servicemen. 29

It was this frame up job that caused President Reagan to bomb Libya, killing the 4 year old daughter of Libyan leader Muamar Qadaffi. France refused to allow US bombers to fly over their air space and bomb Libya because French intelligence knew that Libya was unjustly framed by the Israelis.

Among some of Ostrovosky's other amazing revelations are: that the Mossad often uses Arab agents to carry out missions, that Israeli agents are skilled at impersonating Arabs, that Mossad had a plan to turn American public opinion against Iraq, and that wealthy Zionists in America are often called upon to help carry out Mossad missions. Ostrovsky, whose tell all book, By Way of Deception, infuriated the Mossad and made him the target of numerous death threats. 30

In 2001, the Washington Times ran a story about a 68 page research paper issued by the Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS). The research was compiled by 60 US Army officers as an attempt to predict the possible outcomes of deploying a US force to maintain peace between the Israel and Palestinians. Here's what SAMS had to say about the Israeli military machine:

"a 500 pound gorilla in Israel. Well armed and trained. Operates in both Gaza and the West Bank. Known to disregard international law to accomplish mission" 31

Of Israel's Mossad, the officers issued this warning:

"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian Arab act." 32 (emphasis added)

Why does the US, which is trillions of dollars in debt, gives away billons of taxpayer dollars to a foreign government whose military violates international laws and whose Mossad is capable of murdering US troops in order to frame Arabs? Have we lost our minds?

[Celumnaz]

Good read. I love the song War Pigs.

I disagree with alot of it, wish I had the time and passion to write out my conspiracy theories like that. I do agree with chunks of it though, just not the whole package. Nobody is sinless, especially the people from the country of palestine. Not saying 2 wrongs make a right or anything either there, just, there's bad people everywhere. In this peice Arabs are completely innocent victims, and that I don't buy for a minute. It's a well presented picture, but it's not the big picture. Lotsa framing goin on. Not saying Israel is completely guiltless, but their enemies are just as equally Guilty, not pretty roses. Few nukes from Israel they wouldn't have to go through all the framing.

[Blood Angel]

What is your source for this?

Dang, where is Erikl when you need him?

309321[/snapback]

I was just about to say that, he'll be all over this like a fat-man at mcdonalds.

[Warpigs]

Facts regarding 9/11

by Matt Giwer, © 2002 [May 24]

The greatest success of the government has been to convince the people there are no conspiracies.

There are conspiracy theories all over the net. They are the object of ridicule by the media and are denied by the government. Yet the government of the US is promoting a theory of the crime holding members of Al Qaeda conspired in the attacks on 9/11. That is also a conspiracy theory.

The question for us to decide is the credibility of any of the conspiracy theories including that of the government. We could let the media decide for us. I, myself, have no interest in letting journalism majors make such decisions for me.

The government's theory of the crime is a man sitting in a cave in Afghanistan was behind it all. He managed to accomplish it without leaving evidence traceable to him. We are asked to believe the dozens of warnings from US, European and Arab intelligence agencies were simply ignored without being told why. We are asked to believe, with all the warnings ignored, Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda were identified by this same government barely six hours after the attack.

One clear reason so many warnings would be ignored is if there were a greater number of more credible warnings. A conspiratorial reason is the US wanted an excuse for its actions such as the war on Afghanistan and the proposed war on Iraq. Another conspiratorial reason is someone else was behind it.

The way to decide among conspiracies, including government conspiracies, is to evaluate the facts for yourself. The government has said it cannot reveal everything to the public. So be it. We can only decide for ourselves based upon what we have been told and to some extent what we have not been told.

Flying planes into buildings as a terrorist weapon has been a topic of casual conversation among government workers in Washington, DC since the 1970s. As I was there and was part of those discussions I obviously do not buy the "no one could have foreseen" claim from all over the official government. Not only was it foreseen it was a common discussion topic.

There is no defense but to shoot them down if there is time. They will fall on someone.

A private plane flew into the White House in 1992. It could have been loaded with explosives.

A commercial airliner leaving Ronald Reagan National Airport in Virginia can nose over into the White House, Congress, or the Pentagon within seconds of leaving the ground.

That there will be a next attack using the same means is unavoidable.

It had absolutely nothing to do with hating US democracy or freedom.

Bush had to blame it on something other than the obvious but we are not required to believe it or pretend it is true nor to accept even he or anyone else in the government believes it is true. There is no reason to treat the idea like Santa Claus pretending it is true for some greater good. There is no greater good than the truth.

The US has been meddling in the Mideast since the 1930s creating and preserving dictatorships and overthrowing those it considered unfriendly. Much of the "backwardness" of the Mideast has been directly due to this meddling including suppressing democratic movements. Both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden have been on the CIA payroll.

Professional jewish organizations are frightened of nothing more than Israel being addressed as one of the reasons. The US has been the primary and at times the only supporter of Israel. Israel is but one of many US intrusions in the region.

Plane hijacking was started by Castro Cubans and later adopted by Palestinians fighting Israel. Israel's airline has been a primary target for hijackings. Where does Israel not fit in this?

We are not involved in any clash of civilizations nor of religions.

Were that a legitimate premise there would be greater conflicts with China and India. We were attacked by a group of civilians and in return attacked a nation. We chose to consider it a military act rather than a criminal act.

Afghanistan stood for justice when it said it would need to see the evidence before turning over Osama bin Laden. The US refused to provide its evidence. Governments which have seen the evidence politely say it is far from compelling. "Far from compelling" has a legal meaning. It means it is not enough for a conviction.

The US deliberately chose the route of war rather than of law.

The war was planned before 9/11.

The US still has no idea as to the names of at least nine of the hijackers.

Nine of the people identified by the US have been found alive or are known to have died years ago.

The US uses the pictures of these people so it is not a confusion of names.

Not one hijacker's name is on any of the passenger manifests even though they were required to show photo IDs to board. Therefore they were not on board or had false IDs.

There have been no arrests for supplying those false IDs.

There has been no identification of which passenger names were the false names.

There has not even been a suggestion there were any false names on the passenger lists and the US counts all the names as among the victims.

The names released on the flight manifests are fewer than the number of people reported on the flights.

Not one identification, not one body part, not one skull for dental records, of even one of the hijackers has been found at any of the four crash sites yet we are told the passport of one of them survived a WTC collision.

We, the public, still have no evidence as to who was behind it. Even the FBI claims it has no evidence against Osama bin Laden or Al Qaeda.

What has been released is far from compelling. No one who speaks Arabic agrees with the US translations of the bin Laden videotapes including translators used by Germany. It is not surprising Arabs do not accept the US translation as they do not say what the US claims. They are not a smoking gun.

In April 2002, months after the tapes were available the Director of the FBI gave a speech saying that nothing discovered in the US or in all of Afghanistan connected 9/11 to Al Qaeda or bin Laden.

In that same speech he said the hijackers did not even have laptops yet an FBI whistle-blower said an application to get a search warrant for one of their laptops was sabotaged by FBI Headquarters.

In May 2002 a whistle-blower in an FBI field office swore that FBI headquarters had prevented getting a subpoena to search one of their laptops. The FBI had not denied that allegation. (Lying in one, lying in all?)

The reported behavior of those alleged to have been the hijackers was not Islamic but as though they wanted to be identified. So many obvious clues were left around it has all the appearances of someone framing them.

The US started planning the attack on Afghanistan three months before 9/11. It was kind of Al Qaeda to provide an excuse.

There is zero evidence of any involvement of Iraq yet the US intends to attack. It may take another excuse.

The government has admitted it has absolutely no evidence implicating bin Laden or Al Qaeda. They are clearly looking in the wrong place. They have a false theory of the crime. They are investigating the wrong conspiracy.

None of the real names of the hijackers appear on any of the passenger lists. None of the forged names from the required picture IDs appears on the passenger lists.

None of the released passenger lists adds up to the number of passengers claimed to have been on the planes.

Israel is not above masterminding this attack or knowing of it coming and not telling us.

Israel has attacked US assets with bombs and attempted to blame it on Arabs. Search google on the Lavon Affair.

In the 1960s Israel stole 200 pounds of weapons grade Uranium from the US.

Israel has attacked US ships with its military. Read about the USS Liberty.

Israel knew in advance about the truck bombing of the US Marine barracks in Beirut and decided not to warn us. The resulted in the unnecessary death of 241 Marines nearly 10% of 9/11 total and more than at the Pentagon.

An Israeli company received an Instant Message warning of the attack two hours before it occurred which is before the planes had left the ground. The sender has not been investigated.

Five Israelis were arrested on 9/11 in New York City. They were in the US illegally. They were cheering the hits on the World Trade Center. They were eventually deported along with 200 other Israeli spies.

Their employer and owner of the company fled to Israel. He is on the US's wanted list of terror suspects in 9/11. Israel refuses to turn him over or even make him available for questioning.

In late September six Israelis were stopped in Kansas with valid passports and maps of US nuclear power installations. Ashcroft was reported furious they were not held for questioning. They were never found. They presumably escaped to Canada.

One month after 9/11 two Israelis in Mexico illegally were arrested in the Mexican Congressional building. They were carrying ten sticks of dynamite, nine grenades and two guns. They were arrested and deported. Anyone else would have been in prison for years.

In the following months over 120 Israelis illegally in the US were arrested and deported. They were spying on military and law enforcement facilities and personnel. Their training was in espionage and demolition.

In May 2002, two Israelis illegally in the US were arrested in Washington State across for a military base driving an empty rental truck. There were traces of explosives in the truck. Shortly afterwards the US released a warning of explosives in apartment buildings and deported the Israelis.

There is only one Israeli citizen on the 9/11 victim list. They were clearly very lucky.

Israel has spied on the US since it came into existence and Zionists spied before Israel was created by the UN. Jonathan Pollard's spying is one of the most damaging in US history.

There were dozens of reports of Israeli spies prior to 9/11 which were ignored.

Israel set up Libya to induce the US under Reagan to attack it. Israel has a vested interest in having the US attack its enemies.

The anthrax attack was of domestic origin and designed to look like Arabs were involved. No more than a dozen Americans could have done it. The FBI cannot determine which of them did do it. The FBI continues to harass one man who does not have the ability to do it.

Israel's first response to the attack was that it was a good thing while Arafat condemned it immediately.

There is more indication of Israeli involvement than of Al Qaeda regardless of who was behind it.

The government said there are no more than 200 members of Al Qaeda before the US attack on Afghanistan.

Since then about a dozen have been killed and several dozen arrested and held in Cuba as a result of the Afghan war. This leaves something between 100 and 150 still free.

The August, 2002 number of people rotting in prison for the rest of their lives in Cuba is five hundred. Clearly there is something wrong with the government's numbers.

This works out to the government spending about one billion dollars per al Qaeda member.

Maybe we could offer them $100 million to retire and save a lot of money.

This also works out to about 100 government employees per al Qaeda member.

Maybe we could hire bounty hunters instead?

We, the people, have no reason to believe Osama bin Laden is behind it but rather he was an excuse to execute a planned war against Afghanistan. He was not found. We are being encouraged to forget about him. There is no evidence of Iraq being involved. The US is headed for a war with Iraq without cause or justification.

We, the people, are expected to trust the government regarding its conspiracy theory of the crime rather than consider alternative conspiracy theories of the crime.

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http://www.giwersworld.org/911/911-facts.phtml

[Warpigs]

Did MOSSAD Agents Organize the 9/11 Attack?

by James Buchanan

In 1967 Israeli fighter bombers and torpedo boats repeatedly attacked a US intelligence ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters. The Israelis jammed all, but one of the communication frequencies used by the Liberty. The captain of that ship was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for keeping it afloat despite the massive damage. The Israeli attack killed 34 Americans and wounded 174. Amazingly our politicians have never condemned Israel for this attack. Foreign and military aid were not cut off or even reduced. The Israelis claimed that the attack was a case of mistaken identity even though the Liberty was flying a large American flag on a clear day (and the Israelis knew which radio frequencies to jam). The Israelis did not want an American Intelligence ship documenting the fact that they were waging an aggressive war in 1967 on their neighbors. Israel may also have planned to destroy the ship with no survivors to blame the incident on the Arabs to draw us into their war. One lesson is perfectly clear: The Israelis are extremely treacherous and would not hesitate to kill Americans to achieve a goal. Thirty-three years after the Israeli attack on the Liberty, the MOSSAD apparently organized an attack on the World Trade Center, which accomplished their earlier goal of dragging America into a war against Moslems on the side of the Jews.

Many Americans are hesitant to believe that conspiracies exist at all. Unfortunately this naive attitude allows corrupt agencies like the FBI, BATF and Israel's MOSSAD to literally get away with murder. There was an embarrassing incident in the 1980s, in which a "Klan" organization was started by a government spy. The organization eventually had about nine members, but only one person was not a spy from a local, state or Federal agency. In the case of this Klan organization, the story became public, and the government agencies involved in this episode looked rather foolish. This episode reveals a critically important point: Our government will start an organization for the purpose of spying on political dissidents and/or entrapping them.

After committing atrocities at Waco and Ruby Ridge, the BATF and FBI needed an "incident" to occur to justify their continued existence and to show the public that we actually "need" the FBI to protect us from some looming terrorist threat. On the second anniversary of the Waco massacre, the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was blown up. Suddenly we needed to spend billions of dollars to protect ourselves from "domestic terrorists."

The OKC bombing had a long list of suspicious facts associated with it. According to retired Air Force General Bernard Partin, the steel-reinforced columns of the building could not have been destroyed by a fertilizer bomb alone. Seismic sensors nearby clearly indicated two explosions separated by eight seconds. To destroy the building, explosives needed to be attached to the supporting columns of the building. Explosives were found inside the wreckage of the building and rescue operations had to be halted while they were removed.

McVeigh was spotted with various people in the Oklahoma City area, but not one of these people has ever been apprehended. The infamous "John Doe #2" was never found. It seems glaringly obvious that McVeigh had a great deal of help in preparing the truck bomb, but our government has painted a scenario in which McVeigh did virtually everything by himself. The truck bomb alone killed few, if any people at the Oklahoma Federal Building. Survivors reported that the initial explosion simply caused the building to rock back and forth. The true mass murder was cause by a Federal agent, who pressed the button on a detonator eight seconds later destroying the columns of the Murrah Federal Building causing it to collapse.

In an interview (Ref. 1) of Jim Redden the author of "Snitch Culture," Redden was asked "During the last decade, events ranging from the 1993 World Trade Center blast to the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing involved highly prominent agent provocateurs. Do you predict further instances of violent crime involving individuals acting on behalf of the federal government? " Redden replied "Absolutely, and not just because of the credible reports of government agents involved in the World Trade Center and Oklahoma City bombings. The truth is, there's a long and sordid history of government operatives committing the very crimes they are suppose to be preventing. I've cited numerous examples in... a chapter titled 'What Did They Know, And When Did They Know It?' That chapter also includes details on government operatives involved in both the (1993) World Trade Center and Oklahoma City bombings."

Americans should be extremely suspicious whenever a single, unique terrorist incident occurs. If there were a militia threat against America in 1995, why was the Murrah Federal Building the only target? Why didn't McVeigh's associates including "John Doe #2" bomb any other buildings? Unless of course, they all worked for the government, and the real goal of the bombing was to restore the reputation of the FBI and BATF and to get billions more in funding.

While the OKC bombing was most likely a staged bombing by the FBI and BATF, the 9/11 attack was probably a staged attack carried out by Israel's MOSSAD. In the OKC bombing, FBI agents were warned not to go to work that day. In the 9/11 attack, Jews were warned to stay out of the World Trade Center. An Israeli film crew was seen cheering as the World Trade Center Building was attacked, and stories of Israeli spies having prior knowledge of the bombing continue to circulate. (Ref. 2) While Timothy McVeigh was duped into driving the truck bomb by his collaborators, who have all successfully disappeared, the 9/11 attackers were recruited from Saudi Arabia and Egypt, where Israeli MOSSAD agents, posing as Americans, would have much more freedom of movement. Most likely the MOSSAD created phony al Qaeda cells, which organized the 9/11 attack. Notice that none of the immediate superiors of the 9/11 attackers have been apprehended or even identified--another likely sign that 9/11 was a MOSSAD operation.

http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/nsforum/ns4-14.html

[Warpigs]

From: http://www.conspiracyplanet.com

Now Larouche may be a cult like figure with some really weird interpretations of history, but his intelligence contacts are legitimate and many of his political and economic forecasts have been accurate in the past.

Considering all the history and recent events reviewed in this paper, and the logical conclusions which they lead us to, the above prediction was "right on the money."

The Zionists (and also Anglo-American Internationalist interests) do not conceal their desire for World War III, with American troops doing dying. They pulled off 9-11, turned us into Arab hating fanatics, put an American flag in our hands, and are marching us off to die for Zionism.

Just read what Ra'anan Gissin - a senior adviser to and spokesman for Ariel "the Butcher" Sharon - said in an interview with the Arizona Daily Star in April of 2002:

"The terror attacks on Sept. 11 and extreme turmoil in the Middle East point to one thing - World War III. We've been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the harbinger of World War III. The world is going to fight, whether they like it or not. I'm sure." 179

Here's another warmongering, inflammatory quote from Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, urging the US to attack Iraq:

Attacking Iraq now would be "quite dangerous, but postponing it would be more dangerous. The problem today is not if but when." 180

And here's another warmongering quote from an editorial that former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamim Netanyahu wrote for the New York Post headlined "Today We are All Americans":

"What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of civilization.... I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, led by President Bush, will marshal the enormous reserves of power at our disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people and mobilize our collective will to eradicate this evil from the face of the earth.... The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan. For the bin Ladens of the world, Israel is merely a sideshow. America is the target" 181

Note the ominous similarity between Netanyahu's lies and the first words that Sivan Kurzberg - one of the dancing Israeli "movers" - spoke to arresting police officer on 9-11:

"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." 182

Recall Netanyahu's September 11 comment about the attacks being "very good" for Israeli-US relations. The title of the New York Times article which carried that comment was: "Spilled Blood is Seen as Bond That Draws 2 Nations Closer." 183

Ariel Sharon used the same "linking tactic" in a speech before the notoriously defamatory, Zionist Anti-Defamation League:

"There is a moral equivalency and direct connection between America's continuous operations against al Qaeda in Afghanistan and any other Israel Defense Forces operation to defeat terrorism," Sharon said in a speech Monday to the Anti-Defamation League. "They are acts of self-defense against the same forces of evil and darkness bent on destroying civilized society." 184

Notice how Sharon, Netanyahu, the Israeli "movers", and the totally Zionist dominated New York Times and New York Post all used the same strategic tactic of linking the interests of the US with the interests of Israel.

The same ploy was utilized in the anthrax letters: "Death to America! Death to Israel!".

Do see how these evil Zionist b******* play the game? They turn their enemies into our enemies while pretending to be our "allies". They laugh and celebrate as 1000's of innocent Americans are burned and crushed to death.

And when someone dares to shine the light of truth upon them, they label you an "anti-Semite"! Can you not see that we've been played for fools?

Behold this bit of bold hypocrisy by American Jewish Congress President Jack Rosen:

"I don't think Palestinians celebrating the death of thousands of Americans should go unchallenged." 185

Is that so Jack? What about the Israelis who celebrated the death of thousands of Americans. Why haven't you challenged that?

Now read this quote from the Prince of Darkness himself - Pentagon big shot and Zionist fanatic Richard Perle:

"Neither the president nor the British Prime Minister will be deflected by Saddam's diplomatic charm offensive, the feckless moralizing of 'peace' lobbies or the unsolicited advice of retired generals." 186

Perle not only lays down the policy line for Bush, but apparently for British Prime Minister Tony Blair as well. And note how casually he dismissed the sound advice of those retired generals who warned that a war against Iraq was unnecessary. But what does Perle care! His kids won't be dying.

As always, it will only be the children of the flag waving masses, which Perle and his Zionist brothers and sisters see as nothing more than cannon fodder for Zionism, who will do the fighting and killing. What threat did Iraq ever pose to the US? None!

Iraq, and other Arab nations, are to be crushed so that Israel can have a freer hand to expand in the Middle East.

It appears that George Bush goes along with the wishes of these Zionist gangsters for his own political protection and/or advancement, but it is unclear as to what extant he is truly in agreement with them.

Bush and Cheney may even be under a some form of blackmail. But they also represent oil interests and the Caspian Sea area is rich in oil and minerals.

Plans have been in the works for years to build pipelines to take the oil from the Caspian, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, and then out to sea. The "oil angle" may be a secondary contributing factor behind the "War on Terrorism", one much nearer to the hearts of Bush/Cheney than the cause of Zionism.

It is clear from just the well publicized information that the president had at least some type of knowledge that a major attack was coming.

Do you remember Bush's strange behavior when he was first told of the attacks? He was reading to a group of Florida school children when his Chief of Staff Andy Card whispered the news of the second tower being hit in New York. Instead of just calmly excusing himself and apologizing to the kids for having to leave suddenly, Bush quickly shifted his eyes at the camera, turned somber, and then returned to reading for another 15 minutes! 187

Our major cities were under attack, 1000's of his countrymen were burning or jumping to their deaths on live TV, and more planes were still unaccounted for.

Yet Bush just sat there with a stupid look on his face and then went back to reading a story about a goat. Is this the reaction of a man who was truly surprised by these horrible attacks?

Or is this more indicative of the reaction of a guilty person who, like FDR just before Pearl Harbor, was expecting an attack and therefore was not surprised? 188

There is one more interesting coincidence worth mentioning. During the whole time that these terror attacks were expected, Bush was out of Washington DC on what the media had dubbed "the longest vacation in presidential history." Time Magazine of August 5, 2002 explains:

"Getting ready for a vacation can be so hectic. It certainly was for George W. Bush last week. While Laura Bush left the White House early to get the ranch in Crawford, Texas, ready for a month-long holiday (one of the longest in presidential history), the President rushed through some last-minute errands." 189

Bush was in Texas for the entire month of August, returned to the White House briefly, then left again and ended up in a Florida classroom on September 11. (What a tough job eh?) Is this of any significance? Well, I don't know about you, but if I had the kind of intelligence network and advance warning that we know certain people had- and surely a sitting US president would also have had- I would not have been in Washington DC on 9-11 either!

There are many politicians and journalists in America who "carry the Zionist's water" for them only because they are careerists who understand very well from whence their bread is buttered.

My suspicion is that if Bush doesn't deliver a war against Iraq, and then WW III against other Arab states, Joe Lieberman may be installed as president in 2004, with McCain running as an independent to draw votes away from Bush.

Will Bush, like Wilson in WW I, and FDR in WW II, go all the way and deliver WW III to the Zionist Mafia?

At the time of this writing it does appear that way. But if Bush should hesitate (like his father did in 1991) to "go all the way", the Zionist Mafia will try to replace him with Lieberman in 2004.

Iraq knows who is behind the planned attack on their nation. In an interview with CBS's Dan Rather, Aziz accused the Zionists:

"This war which the Bush government is a planning does not serve the basic interest in the long run of the American nation. It serves the imperialistic interest of Israel and the Zionist groups who have now a great say in the American policy." 190

How sadly ironic it is that the Arabs know that the Zionist Mafia dominates America but the American people are oblivious to it. But who will tell the American people if the Zionists dominate the media too?

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[Warpigs]

Unasked Questions about bombs in the World Trade Center on September 11 2001

(last update: 31 Oct 2001)

Original Link: http://www.cam.net.uk/home/Nimmann/peace/explosions.htm

Summary of this page:

One (or more) eyewitness reported hearing a series of at least about "five" explosions in at least one of the buildings just before it came down. It LOOKED LIKE a professional demolition job. The "melting" theory makes little sense.

The FBI floors (22nd to 24th floors) of the North Tower had been devastated and reduced to debris BEFORE the building came down. On these floors the entire accumulation of evidence and investigation briefs on two highly important cases were being stored: the case against Mobil Oil and James Giffen on illegal oil swaps between Iran and Kazakhstan and evidence in the investigation of GOLD PRICE FIXING.

"Explosions in the World Trade Center Twin Towers"

From: PRCenter@webtv.net (Tom), Sun Sep 16, 2001

There have been several reports on the news that after the plane crashes there were several "explosions" inside the building at lower levels. One (or more) eyewitness reported hearing a series of at least about "five" explosions "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,..." in at least one of the buildings just before it came down.

I did a little research on the construction of the twin towers... it seems the structures were supported by an approximately 100 x 100 foot square (79ft x 139ft) concrete and steel column running up the center of each building.

The scenario that the "heat" from jet fuel "melted" this central support column within minutes seems unlikely to me for various reasons:

The central support collapsed very suddenly and totally going into what has been described as "free fall". This is exactly what would be expected if the central support column were demolished with explosives but not what you would see with a so-called gradual "melting" from top to bottom as the building burned.

Heat rises.... How could the fires at the tops of the buildings "melt" the support column composed of concrete and steel very far below the point at which the towers were struck, if at all?

The building has (had) an internal fire safety feature that automatically seals (sealed) off various sections and levels of the building subject to fire, cutting off the air supply.

Visually... it appeared that after the initial impact and explosion of jet fuel mostly OUTSIDE THE BUILDING... (and on a few floors inside where windows were broken). There was a great deal of smoke but relatively little flame and certainly no major inferno at lower levels INSIDE. in fact people were seen not very far below the point of impact hanging out of windows trying to escape the (smoke?)... but apparently alive and not subject to the thousands of degrees temperature that could have melted steel (and concrete?). At lower levels it has been reported by some survivors that they were inside watching the events (plane crashes) on TV when they decided it was time to get out... Again they had no indication of fire at these lower levels that could have "melted" anything.

I am no demolitions expert by any means but having grown up in a family of contractors and builders I do have lifelong construction and some demolition experience. The explanation provided to the public that the buildings sudden collapses were due to the "melting" of the supporting steel makes about as much sense as saying that a candle could suddenly "collapse" from "melting" due to the flame at the top.

The supporting columns of concrete and steel were sunk into groves cut into solid bedrock far below ground level. It makes more sense to me to say that it would have taken a considerable amount of well placed explosive to demolish this structure and send it into "free fall" than to say that it simply "melted" from the heat of the jet fuel burning (or smoldering) at the top of the building.

I think in the very least... whats left of the supporting columns should be examined to see if they were subject to explosives before all the evidence is carted away and disposed of somewhere.

I am not trying to develop a government conspiracy theory here. Whoever did this had a long time to plan it and possibly set bombs inside the building. I am not by any means anti-democratic or anti-American. But the demolition by bombs inside the building seems credible and obvious as an explanation as to why the two buildings suddenly collapsed. and this is supported by eyewitness accounts of explosions at lower levels as well as the absence of any fire at lower levels capable of "melting" anything.

By contrast, in my opinion, the "melting" theory make little if any sense at all and has little if any evidence to support it.

If the supporting structure at or near the point(s) of impact "melted" causing the top of the building(s) to fall several stories and come down... like big wrecking balls.... It seems these section(s) (tops) of the building(s) would have come up against some resistance at some point on the way down when they ran into the un-melted portion of what was left of the 100ft square steel and concrete support column(s)... they didn't... perhaps for the reason that these columns were already destroyed by explosives?

Finally... anyone who saw the buildings come down saw the obvious... it simply LOOKED LIKE a professional demolition job. Why not at least investigate this obvious explaination for what everyone witnessed?

[additional question by Ralph: why did the second tower, which was hit 18 minutes later, collapse BEFORE the first one, even though the plane did not hit the core of the building structure?]

"New WTC Evidence Raises Questions Of Evidence Destruction

by Dick Eastman Yakima, Washington, 28 Oct '01

New, Strongest-Possible Evidence Of US Corporation Executive's Guilt In WTC Destruction - Destruction Of Evidence The Possible Motive

From Dick Eastman eastman@wolfenet.com - 26 October 2001

The evidence that the destruction of the WTC was to destroy evidence contained on the 23rd and 24th floors of the North Tower is now incontrovertable. This message is the first revelation of the evidence that makes this conclusion a certainty. As yet no one has contacted any authorities with this information. (I want to make sure it is well in the public sphere before I show up at the FBI office here in Yakima.)

Dick Eastman 223 S. 64th Ave Yakima, Washington

I want you to provide me with lists of names I can contact in government and elsewhere around the world. I also want you to work by your own avenues to get to any officials or law enforcement agencies with jurisdiction in this case. A war and the greatest crime in history are involved, and many of the people responsible are standing in the way of justice.

Here is evidence supplied by the Head of Security of the WTC on network television indicating that the FBI floors (the 22nd, 23rd and 24th floors) of the North Tower -- 70 floors below the crash-bombing impact -- had been devastated and reduced to debris that this same Head of Security himself dug through to get to trapped persons (whom he saved).

But it was on these floors that the entire accumulation of evidence and investigation briefs on two highly important cases were being stored:

the case against Mobil Oil and James Giffen on illegal oil swaps between Iran and Kazakhstan (at that time before a New York grand jury as described in great detail by Seymore Hersh in the July 9 New Yorker magazine);

and even more important, the evidence in the investigation of GOLD PRICE FIXING stemming from charges brought against Alan Greenspan, Morgan & Company, Goldman Sachs.

(see below [truth.htm] for full reconstruction of this crime -- that is now all but confirmed by this revelation of a bomb devastating the FBI floors of the North Tower before the tower collapsed.)

At noon I received a phone call from New England from Steve. He was reviewing recorded footage of coverage of the destruction of the WTC on NBC's program "48 Hours." Steve has reviewed the footage many times and taken detailednotes.

I took notes at my computer as he spoke. After the south tower collapsed, men went up to the 22nd floor of the WTC and "dug" someone out of the "rubble" he found there. {It is known that these floors contained the New York FBI offices -- Peter Jennings actually did a two-day network news story on the effects of the destroyed evidence and files on American financial crime investigations around the world.]

The 48 Hours anchor was interviewing the Head of Security of the WTC about the evacuation who had received a call, after the South tower was down, from the Port Authority's Command Center on the 22nd floor asking for rescue. The Head of Security himself travelled to that floor in the company of a NY Fireman where they found the offices devastated to the point where they had to "tunnel through debris" to "dig out" the two or three Port Authority workers who were trapped there. All of this happened 73 floors below crash-bombing impact.

The man who called me about this -- Steve from Maine -- said that he had received a copy detailing the evidence for a terror frame-up from one of the hundreds of people pester with my posts each day (whose name I recall from my address book) -- and that he had been reviewing three lists of occupants of the WTC.

He gave the sites for two different listings of WTC tower occupants, which I copied as follows:

Tenants by floor and square footage - http://www.cnn.com/sp-ecial/2001/tr...r/tenants1.html and Occupation by tenancy - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...cle/tower1.html

He noticed from these that listings were given for all floors EXCEPT floors 23 and 24, immediately above the location of the call for "digging out" rescue -- indicating that the debris had fallen down from a destructive event occurring on the floor directly above. Steve left off with this statement (which I am not able now to confirm or disconfirm): "The Murrah Building in Oaklahoma City was where all of the records of the Waco Seige were being kept. I think this is their MO." Meaning their modus operandi -- i.e., their distinctive pattern of crime.

Here is the post that prompted Steve's phone call:

Incontrovertable reasons for concluding that the WTC / Pentagon crash-bombings were a frame-up at truth.htm. Dick Eastman Yakima, Washington. Every man is responsible to every other man. MainPage: www.rense.com

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[Warpigs]

THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE

The more one reads about the WTC collapse, the more skeptical they should become of the “official” account. The following presentation is speculation, but well worth thinking about.

WHY?

Because the investigators at the WTC site were hampered to the maximum, documentation efforts were equally hampered; and the debris was too quickly – and profitably - disposed of; overseas.

Just for starters, 9-11 represented the first collapse of a steel-framed building, allegedly from fire. BUT – there were three such occurrences; not just one. That’s asking too much from ‘coincidence,’ just by virtue of two separate architectural styles; within a ten-hour period of time. Most spectacularly, no ‘official’ questions were asked. WHY?

COVERUP is the unique legacy of ALL of the 9-11 events, as is true of subsequent events. That leaves the obvious question, ”SO, what’s being covered up? The planes hit the buildings, they burned & collapsed. What’s the big deal?”

Originally, that was my question.

“Christine” recently insisted that I buy the book, “Painful Questions.” She was adamant that there was something which she believed that I would see. She didn’t know what, but she was sure that I could "...pick the sand out of the pepper," as the saying goes. That "woman's intuition" again.

The book centers on the flaws in the “official” accounts of 9-11. The color illustrations and the photographs are worth the price of the book. It took about five minutes to see that something was something very badly wrong in the “official” account. Nothing new, when it comes to anything associated with 9-11. I was slow; Christine was correct – she knew! Don't ask me how; she just knew.

One must first go to the reports and descriptions of the molten steel at the base of all three buildings, including 7-WTC. Those reports are too strange to ignore; particularly given the associated thermal imagery of the post-collapse WTC site. Those reports are not limited to a single individual, or any “group.” The ‘pools of molten steel’ descriptions quickly lead the military mindset to something on the order of massive Thermite charges. Try to imagine that the mechanical energy of the collapse could "melt and pool" any steel. Forget it! Bending steel with horrendous energy is one thing, melting it is another. For those uninformed, Thermite charges can be either ‘passive’ (melt-down only) or dynamic, in the form of “shape charges.”

Yes, such would be one hell of an undertaking; no argument. Forty-seven center-core steel columns (or a high percentage) would have to be rigged. But, just the obvious and well-documented “official” deceptions of 9-11 were massive undertakings. Thus, the term ‘impossible’ is not particularly appropriate, here

Steel will do all kinds of “tricks,” but melting requires the basic melting temperature – or greater. To obtain melting temperature, one needs the external temperature of approximately 2,700 degrees (F) with enough time for the metal to convert from a solid to a liquid. The process can be accelerated, but only with a much higher temperature – such as Thermite – approximately 4,000 degrees (F). All the jet fuel in the world won't burn hot enough to produce molten steel - under any conditions.

The center-section supporting structure of the buildings broke apart as it collapsed. An argument for ‘mechanical energy transmission’ doesn’t hold up. It’s not the same as hitting a nail with a sledge-hammer. A ‘shattering’ sledge-hammer would not carry the force to strike, deform and ‘heat’ a nail.

The south WTC tower is most representative of the collapses. Remember that it lost it's “cap”.

[Kryso]

Regardless of why, the lose of so many lives is never a thing to dance and sing about, regardless of religion or belief.

What makes you wonder is that they profess to believe in a god, and still seem to be happy at the lose of so many lives. Religion is confusion to say the very least.

[Warpigs]

Is this an F-16? If not, then what is it?

[Warpigs]

Whatever Hit the Pentagon Was Not An Airliner

These pictures, taken by an automatic security camera, show a small

jet aircraft (presumably unmanned) shooting a missile at the Pentagon,

just before slamming into it. The ratio of fuselage length to tail length

is too small for a 757.

The bright white flash could only have been made by a military

high-explosive warhead, or something like aluminum flash powder

in a fake explosion designed to deceive the witnesses. Either of these

would produce the very high temperatures that show as a white flash.

Jet fuel is kerosene (like lighter fluid), and burns with a yellow-orange

flame, not nearly as hot as the white flash in the second picture of the

sequence. It is also not nearly hot enough to vaporize the more than

100,000 pounds of aluminum and steel that comprise a Boeing 757

as the government said it did, especially without scorching the lawn!

Either the government faked the film, or it shows something very

different from the government's story.

This animated gif shows the five pictures from the security camera:

This is a magnified section of the first two frames, showing

the aircraft more clearly:

It looks very similar to an F-16 -

Looks like the US Government has fooled us all.

The real perpetrators of 9/11? The US and Israel.

Edited October 16, 2004 by Warpigs

[Warpigs]

Video and Photographic Evidence of the Largest Cover-Up In Modern Day History

by William Lewis

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Whether or not you believe the official story surrounding the events of September 11, 2001, it is impossible to walk away, having seen “911 In Plane Site,” and still believe that terrorists wielding box cutters were the masterminds behind the single most horrific terrorist act ever carried out against the citizens of the United States of America.

The producers of “Power Hour Productions” and “BridgeStone Media Group” set out to make a video documentary, using a modern news magazine format, to examine and ultimately expose the falsehoods contained in the official story of what took place on September 11, 2001. What has transpired as a result of these efforts has blossomed into a full-scale battle – not of right as opposed to left, or conservative in contrast to liberal, but simply of right versus wrong.

IF A PHOTOGRAPH SPEAKS A THOUSAND WORDS, WHAT DOES VIDEO SAY?

What “911 In Plane Site” accomplishes that no other video expose’ on September 11th has to date, is it exposes the viewer to a barrage of news clips from a majority of the mainstream news outlets. The official story of that day was told on live TV by reporters, policemen, firefighters, and other on-the-scene eyewitnesses, however, that footage was shown only once on live television broadcasts in the first hours of the attacks and then… it was never repeated. The stories changed, information was enigmatically omitted, and what can only be described as officially prescribed propaganda took the place of indisputable reality.

THE PENTAGON:

Some of the most damning evidence surrounding the attack on the Pentagon centers about substantial and incontrovertible video and photographic evidence which insights viewers to ask crucial and essential questions. After all, the laws of physics cannot be suspended or can they?

One question many viewers ask is, “why was America and the rest of the world not shown the video footage and the photographs of the Pentagon, BEFORE the outer wall had collapsed?” Many people do not realize that the outer wall of the Pentagon did not collapse until 33 minutes after the initial impact of what we were told was a Boeing 757. Upon examining these photographs, one can clearly see a hole, which is only 16 feet in diameter. This begs the question: “How can a Boeing 757 which is over 44 feet in height and 124 feet in width simply disappear without a trace into a hole that is only 16 ft. in diameter? Why is there no external damage to the Pentagon where the wings and the tail section would have impacted with the outer wall?

Contrary to the video footage shown to the American public, photographs taken only moments after the impact show no wreckage on the lawn of the Pentagon. Where is the plane? Where are the tail, the wings, the luggage, the seats, the landing gear, and the engines? Most importantly, what happened to the passengers who were aboard that plane? America remembers the photographs that they were shown of tiny, indiscernible fragments, which were described as pieces of a Boeing 757. Were these fragments of a Boeing 757? Internal photographs of the Pentagon taken by Jocelyn Augustino, a FEMA photographer, do not show engine parts matching the description of a 757’s engine turbofan according to John W. Brown, who happens to be a spokesman for Rolls Royce. Pratt & Whitney and Rolls Royce manufacture the engines used on these jetliners. The turbofans themselves are approximately 7 feet in diameter. The FEMA photos show what appears to be a turbofan that is approximately 3 feet in diameter. This better fits the descriptions of eyewitnesses who claim that they saw what could only be described as a commuter plane capable of holding only 8 to 12 passengers. This single piece of evidence also helps support other reports from witnesses such as Lon Rains who said “I heard a very loud, quick whooshing sound. I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast – it sounded nothing like an airplane.” Don Parkal said, “A bomb had gone off. I could smell the cordite. I knew explosives had been set off somewhere.” Tom Seibert said, “We heard what sounded like a missile.”

Another interesting point worth mentioning is that in the aftermath following the Pentagon attack, it was reported by media sources that a giant 100 feet crater had been plowed into the front lawn of the Pentagon as the result of a powerful airliner crash. Photographic evidence overwhelmingly shows that this was absolutely not the case. No crater – no skid marks – no burn marks… (No plane?) Why was the American public and the entire world deliberately misled?

Six months after the attacks, as many Americans began to stand up and ask questions concerning the official story of what happened at the heart of the nation’s military establishment, Pentagon officials responded by releasing five fuzzy frames of what they claimed was a 757 plowing into the side of the Pentagon. We were told that a surveillance camera located across from the heliport pad took these photos. However, these five frames seemed to raise more questions than they attempted to answer. First of all, the date code on the first frame was dated September 12, 2001 at 5:37 P.M. That’s one day and eights hours too late. Secondly, the resolution of the frames was so incredibly low that they did not allow for a thorough analysis of the images that we were being shown. Thirdly, the one frame labeled “plane” did not show anything that could even remotely be interpreted as a Boeing 757. Are we truly expected to believe that there was only one security camera capable of capturing the most heinous attack ever carried out against the nucleus of U.S. national defense? Upon further examination of this area of the Pentagon, one can clearly count at least five additional security cameras, two of which were unmistakably aimed directly where the plane would have impacted.

It is also worth mentioning that there was three privately owned security cameras all trained in the direction necessary to capture video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. One at a gas station across I-135, one on the rooftop of the Hilton International Hotel, and another located at the Virginia Department of Transportation, which would have captured the plane descending over Interstate 135. Literally, within only a few minutes after the attack, Federal officials arrived at all three locations and confiscated the videotapes. The contents have never been released to the public.

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER:

Summarizing similar discrepancies relating to the World Trade Center attacks, Marc Bernback, who was described on air as an employee of Fox News, stated on live television that the plane he saw crash into the South tower came down so low that he could make out the fact that the “commercial airliner” had no windows. This was repeated twice in the same interview. Even the Fox anchorperson asked, “Could these have been cargo planes?” Marc went on to describe a blue, circular logo located on the front of the plane. He also alluded to the fact that this plane “did not look like it was from around here;” speculating that the plane may have come from a military base - not a commercial airport. The producers of “911 In Plane Site” later interviewed Marc Bernback and he stands firmly behind his on-air account. “No windows…”

Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and other news networks provided live video feed of witnesses who claim that they heard other explosions going off in and around the World Trade Center AFTER both planes had struck their respective targets. These witnesses were policemen, firefighters, reporters, and businessmen who were on the scene as the events unfolded and were in a unique position to know the intricacies of what was taking place. One after the other a reporter would ask, “Was that a building collapse or did you hear an explosion.” One right after the next they all came back with the same equally resonant answers - “It sounded like a bomb…” “It sounded like an explosion.” One eyewitness in particular, a physician, who was interviewed live on Fox News said, “I think it was a bomb because there were two of them.”

Another eyewitness, Louie Cacchioli, a 51 year old firefighter assigned to engine 47 in Harlem whose interview appeared in the September 24, 2001 edition of People Magazine had this to say, “We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off.”

In the documentary “The Filmmakers' Commemorative Edition” a film about the New York City firefighters by Gedeon and Jules Naudet, other firefighters articulated their alarming accounts about the possibility of demolition explosives being planted in the North and South tower - “Floor by floor it started popping out… It was as if they had detonators planted to take down a building.”

The firefighters battling the blazes that day weren’t the only onlookers who noticed something out of the ordinary when it came to the demise of the twin towers. A significant number of news anchors and on-the-scene reporters also began to make on-air comments regarding the North and South tower collapses. Each in turn making distinctive comparisons of how the towers fell in such a controlled “demolition-like” fashion. One by one the reports came in. “We heard a loud explosion.” “We have a report now of a second explosion.” “We have a report now of a fourth explosion.” “The top of the building just blew up.” “We heard a very loud blast – an explosion. Not clear now is why that explosion took place.”

[Warpigs]

Rick Sanchez, who was giving his report live on MSNBC, had this to say, “I spoke with some police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me they have reason to believe that one of the explosions at the World Trade Center, aside from the one that may have been caused by the impact of the plane with the building, may have been caused by a van that was parked in the building that may have had some type of explosive device in it.” In a separate event he also describes police evacuating an area where police had discovered a ‘suspicious device’ which police officials fear may lead to another explosion. These accounts echo on and on until it is evident that we are not discussing simple terrorists with box cutters hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings. Something else took place September 11, 2001, and what has been presented thus far isn’t even the most damning evidence to suggest a high level cover-up.

FLIGHT 175 ANOMALIES:

The most controversial footage contained in “911 In Plane Site” comes from at least four separate mainstream sources – CNN’s “America Remembers,” BBC’s “Why The Towers Fell,” PBS’s “Son of Al Qaeda,” and Gedeon and Jules Naudet’s “The Filmmakers' Commemorative Edition,” as well as, three other independent sources of video shot by private citizens on the streets of New York using their handheld camcorders and eventually purchased for licensing from a company in New York named Camera Planet.

Let’s begin by examining the original source footage from CNN. Everyone has seen this same footage over and over again. The Boeing 767 enters from the left side of the frame and plows full speed into the corner of the South tower. Still frames from this shot appear on dozens of national magazine covers from all over the country and it is also the trademark video that used by most filmmakers for their documentaries on 9/11. What most people have failed to recognize, until recently, is that on the underside of the plane, just to the right of the fuselage, there appears to be a peculiar three-dimensional anomaly. By comparison, this “protrusion” looks as if it is slightly smaller than one of the engines mounted to the plane. Keep in mind that the engines on a 767 are approximately 9 feet in diameter and 12 feet in length.

The first impression is that it might be a trick of light and shadow, so it was important to turn to experts in this field. La Vanguardia, a publication in Barcelona, Spain, published an investigative report by a Spanish university, back in June of 2003. What was their professional opinion? After a thorough digital image analysis, the university experts came to the conclusion that the object mounted to the bottom of this plane was three-dimensional in nature and could not have been caused by shadows or reflections. This brings us to a very interesting point in our investigation and begs us to ask some very serious questions. What is mounted to the underbelly of Flight 175? What purpose did it serve in the attacks? How could this plane have departed from a commercial airport without such a large attachment being noticed by maintenance and refueling personnel? Wouldn’t the baggage handlers have noticed it? Surely we can all agree that they would have noticed it - that is, if it had taken off from a commercial airport.

Let’s stop for a moment and ask the question, “Did this plane take off from a commercial airport?” We already have one Fox News employee making the statement that the plane had no passenger windows. What commercial airliner has no passenger windows? The answer, I’m sure we all can agree, is none. We have a Fox News anchor asking the question, “Is it possible that was some sort of cargo plane?”

After a few weeks of searching, we were able to obtain photographs of a military Boeing 767. This plane is being marketed to the U.S. Air Force by Boeing to replace their KC-130 series. The most perplexing aspect of this military craft is that it has no passenger windows and is in fact a refueling tanker aircraft. Is it possible that the plane we all saw crashing into the South tower was a Boeing 767 refueling tanker aircraft? Wouldn’t such a plane take off from a military base?

Upon further examination of the plane that hit the second tower we see nothing out of the ordinary… or do we? When the footage is viewed at full speed, 30 frames per second, we do indeed see nothing out of the ordinary. In spite of this, when we slow the footage down from 100% to roughly 2% we see something completely unexpected. Just as the plane is making contact with the building we see something quite remarkable. Just to the right side of the nosecone we can make out a distinct bright red flash.

Some have speculated that this is simply a reflection of light caused by the sun reflecting on the metal surface of the plane. Then again, we have to take into account the physical properties of what causes a reflection. Reflections can only be seen from one angle. For instance, you can use a mirror to aim a reflection of the sun’s rays and point those rays at a different point in space. This is a direct result of light bouncing off of one surface and being directed at another single point. So, in short, a reflection can only be seen from one particular angle. If you move away from that that position, you no longer see the reflection.

“911 In Plane Site” actually uses a total of 4 different pieces of footage to demonstrate that this is no mere reflection. In fact, in one of the most spectacular illustrations the viewer can actually see the bright red flash being directed back onto the fuselage itself.

There has also been speculation that the flash may be landing lights mounted on the underside of each of the wings on the plane and that these powerful lights are radiating on the surface of the building. This theory sounds plausible at first. However, upon closer inspection of additional video footage, which was shot from an angle under the plane, we have a clear view of the other side of the plane. Is there a flash, reflection, or sparkle of light on the left side of the plane? No, there is not. If we rule out landing lights and glinting reflections, does this bring us any closer to explaining this mystery?

What we needed now was further confirmation that something out of the ordinary was taking place. So now we turn to the North tower, the first building struck by an airliner. When we slowed down this footage, did we see anything out of the ordinary? Indeed we did. There is a massive momentary flash, which occurs just a split second before the plane strikes the outer skin of the building. In this case the flash appears to be a giant solid blast of white smoke.

Ones first impression of this phenomenon might be that it is simply the outer wall of the tower being pulverized into a giant plume of dust and debris. This theory sounds plausible until you play the video backwards in slow motion. It then becomes overwhelmingly apparent that the plane is clear of the building before the blast takes place. We clearly have confirmation of not just one mysterious flash, but two.

What does this all mean? Simply put, there were more things going on the morning of September 11, 2001, than the American public has been led to believe. It is not necessarily our intention to answer all of the questions raised in this documentary, but simply to ask the questions. It is up to the viewing audience to decide if the video and photographic evidence that they are viewing with their own eyes warrants further investigation. If you are like most people who have seen this video, you will no doubt be stricken with an overpowering sense of betrayal. Serious questions need to be addressed by those officials to whom we have entrusted the very survival of this great country.

There can be no doubt; video footage and still photographs need no voice because they speak for themselves. They are incontrovertible evidence of a massive cover-up concerning the events of 9/11. Action is needed and action must be taken – at the polls, in the voting booths, on the street corners, and in your very own living rooms. Spread the word. Spread the video.

To those innumerable individuals who all ask the same drumming question, “What happened to the people onboard those jetliners?” Keep this one simple idea in mind. If you have an unlimited black ops budget, you can make people say anything, do anything, and go anywhere – and no one said choice was an option.

If you still believe that terrorists with box cutters carried out 9/11, then you may have nothing to worry about, but the next time you hear on your local news station that the terrorist threat level has just been elevated, remember the words of Dave vonKleist as he closes this video presentation. “Where is your line in the sand?”

COPYRIGHT 2004 William Lewis/BSMG

[Blood Angel]

Is this an F-16?  If not, then what is it?

310774[/snapback]

I believe that the first animated gif shown here to be faked. Notice the object moves, yet nothing else in the picture does, not even the explosions, or any dust, nor does the smoke move. All that moves is the "camera" and the object.

[Fluffybunny]

The plane your are referring to as an F-16 is not an F-16, it looks more like an f-15 to me.

Either way, the photos are far too blurry to be able to make out any plane type in my opinion. Saying it is one or the other, or anything other than an airliner is just wild speculation.

F-16:

F-15:

[vimjams]

War Pigs...Great post. Keep it up!

Either way, the photos are far too blurry to be able to make out any plane type in my opinion. Saying it is one or the other, or anything other than an airliner is just wild speculation.

This is true Fluffy...But you have to admit that the tailplane shown in the fuzzy frame is a great deal smaller than a 757's.

Vimjams

Edited October 18, 2004 by vimjams

[LucidElement]

interesting thread... its like the mystery of the pentagon.. where there is a a perfect circle in it like a missle hit it.. and no remains of the airplane!

[bathory]

This is true Fluffy...But you have to admit that the tailplane shown in the fuzzy frame is a great deal smaller than a 757's.

you are almost as bad as Beckjord

its a great big blurry grey smudge, to claim with some kind of certainty its one plane over another is ridiculous

[vimjams]

its a great big blurry grey smudge, to claim with some kind of certainty its one plane over another is ridiculous

If it is that "blurry" and a person cannot determine what kind of plane it is...How come you can see a American Airlines Boeing 757?

And Bathory...Take a closer look...it's almost black not grey! I think you are looking at the grey coloured 'exhaust trail' behind...The wrong object: Gimp!

Vimjams

[bathory]

If it is that "blurry" and a person cannot determine what kind of plane it is...How come you can see a American Airlines Boeing 757?

who said i could? I see a blurry smudge that resembles a plane

And Bathory...Take a closer look...it's almost black not grey! I think you are looking at the grey coloured 'exhaust trail' behind...The wrong object: Gimp!

i could correct you and say that almost black means something is grey, but i don't think its necessary, the only feature i can indentify is the tail, the apparent cockpit bubble seems to be an illusion created by that post in front of the plane.

here's a 757 for comparison

we also have to remember the plane came in at an angle to the camera making it appear smaller than it actually is, as well as the lack of depth the image shows thanks to its low detail.

as i said before its rediculous to claim one plane over another (especially with the image being ver easy to fake thanks to the low fps)

Edited October 19, 2004 by bathory

[bathory]

bump cmon guys, this stuff is still relavant

[Blood Angel]

I'm going to have to agree with bathory, on regards to the pictures as possible fakes. Given the right amount of time i could probably make the first plane hitting the towers look like a hotdog...and still make it look convincing, especially with like bathory said a low fps.