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#1531    Stundie

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:14 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

You have failed to produce evidence of molten steel
Except for eyewitnesses, except eyewitnesses are not evidence when they urinate over your beliefs...lol

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and the use of thermite or thermite cuts on structural steel, and such cuts were not found during recovery operations  and during structural investigations at the salvage yards.
Because it was never looked for...lol

Again, your logic path is a circular scribble...lol

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:25 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Except for eyewitnesses, except eyewitnesses are not evidence when they urinate over your beliefs...

That doesn't work because investigators and structural experts found no such evidence. Read the reports because they have confirmed the WTC buildings collapsed because fires weaken their steel structures, which was evident when police and fire officials reported that the WTC buildings were buckling just before they collapsed, which clearly indicates that fire were weakening their structures.


The World Trade Center's Steel Structure Was Buckling Before the Collapse

Police, Firemen and Civilians Saw Warning Signs of Collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11th 2001

Before the collapse of either tower, evidence the structures of the WTC were failing was reported by Police, Firemen and civilians. As already mentioned, flying around outside the WTC, the NYPD helicopters reported "an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed."

Inside WTC 1, New York City Fire Department's Assistant Chief Joseph Callan realized the building was in trouble even before the first building, building two, collapsed. Interviewed Nov. 2, 2001, Assistant Chief Callan told New York City Fire Marshal Michael Starace, "Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower. Approximately ten minutes after that, we had a collapse of the south tower, and we were sort of blown up against the wall in the lobby of the north tower, and we gathered together those of us who were still able to."

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Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 11:29 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:32 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

That doesn't work because investigators and structural experts found no such evidence. Read the reports.
They didn't look for it as the report states

Again, highlighting that you have the reading comprehension skills of a parrot with Tourette's syndrome...lol

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:33 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:

They didn't look for it as the report states

That doesn't work either because you have to produce the evidence or you have no case.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:35 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

Inside WTC 1, New York City Fire Department's Assistant Chief Joseph Callan realized the building was in trouble even before the first building, building two, collapsed. Interviewed Nov. 2, 2001, Assistant Chief Callan told New York City Fire Marshal Michael Starace, "Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower. Approximately ten minutes after that, we had a collapse of the south tower, and we were sort of blown up against the wall in the lobby of the north tower, and we gathered together those of us who were still able to."

http://www.represent...xplosives2.html

I am just curious, but is there an explaination why for the bolded above?

Edited by Professor Buzzkill, 04 April 2013 - 11:35 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:42 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 04 April 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

I am just curious, but is there an explaination why for the bolded above?

As the fire buckled the steel frames of the WTC buildings, items became dislodged and fell to the ground. This is what happens when steel is subject to high temperatures.


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:46 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

As the fire buckled the steel frames of the WTC buildings, items became dislodged and fell to the ground. This is what happens when steel is subject to high temperatures.


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Yeah 77 floors below the impact zone....lol

That sure explains it...lol

And that photo definitely explains it....lol

Heat from 77 floors above..... about 950ft away....or 290 metres away caused it...lol

Edited by Stundie, 04 April 2013 - 11:50 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:49 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

As the fire buckled the steel frames of the WTC buildings, items became dislodged and fell to the ground. This is what happens when steel is subject to high temperatures.


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Sorry Sky, i doubt the fires would affect the lobby


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:05 AM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

Heat from 77 floors above..... about 950ft away....or 290 metres away caused it..

And, where did the collapse of the WTC buildings commenced? Right where they were struck by the aircraft.

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 04 April 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

Sorry Sky, i doubt the fires would affect the lobby

Fuel from the aircraft was also flowing down elevator shafts, and then, you had elevators crashing into the basement area..

Edited by skyeagle409, 05 April 2013 - 12:06 AM.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:18 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 05 April 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

And, where did the collapse of the WTC buildings commenced? Right where they were struck by the aircraft.



Fuel from the aircraft was also flowing down elevator shafts, and then, you had elevators crashing into the basement area..

Are you involved in construction or fire protection?  If it was hot enough to warp the steel in the lobby you could not stand inside said lobby without dying from the heat, let alone smoke/fumes (none of which were present)

Edited by Professor Buzzkill, 05 April 2013 - 12:18 AM.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:24 AM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 05 April 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

Are you involved in construction or fire protection?

I am an aircraft structural technician/inspector.

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...If it was hot enough to warp the steel in the lobby you could not stand inside said lobby without dying from the heat, let alone smoke/fumes (none of which were present)

It doesn't take that much to dislodge items from walls in buildings. That was evident during the 1950s when sonic booms knocked off plaster and damaged walls in homes. That is why aircraft have certain speed limits over CONUS.

What happened in the basement when that B-767 struck?

Edited by skyeagle409, 05 April 2013 - 12:25 AM.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:26 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 05 April 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

And, where did the collapse of the WTC buildings commenced? Right where they were struck by the aircraft.
Stop subject shifting...lol

I know you want to because it has been pointed out by someone else how absurd your argument is, that you think that fires from about 950ft or 290m away caused the steel in the lobby to buckle...lol

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:32 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 05 April 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

Fuel from the aircraft was also flowing down elevator shafts, and then, you had elevators crashing into the basement area..
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You see that small block, that is the volume of jet fuel left after the initial fireball.

So what you are saying is that this amount of jet fuel, travelled down the elevator shaft over 950ft/290M away and all the way down into the basement and then heated up the 4 inch (If I recall correctly) thick steel beams in the lower floors of lobby which caused buckling and the damage in the lobby? :blink:

Its sounds like a story Pinocchio would be proud of...lol

Edited by Stundie, 05 April 2013 - 12:34 AM.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:37 AM

View PostStundie, on 05 April 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:

Stop subject shifting...l

Are you implying that the collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 did not commence at the point of impacts?

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:41 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 05 April 2013 - 12:24 AM, said:

I am an aircraft structural technician/inspector.



It doesn't take that much to dislodge items from walls in buildings. That was evident during the 1950s when sonic booms knocked off plaster and damaged walls in homes. That is why aircraft have certain speed limits over CONUS.

What happened in the basement when that B-767 struck?

I have been a fire sprinkler system inspector and currently work in planning and developing fire protection systems in commerical buildings.

I think a much more likely explaination for the state of the lobby is crashing elevators, but only because fire damage can be ruled out completely.

Elevators falling to the basement would cause a massive sound, like an explosion, but i doubt that damage in an elevator pit (which would be lower than the lowest floor in a building usually, i am willing to change my mind if presented with the architectual layout) could cause damage to a lobby which is a significant number of floors higher then the bottom of the pit.

BTW nice change of subject in your last post.





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