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[the-Unexpected-Soul]

so bashar today have made a speech, well i'm not posting the speech, this shot is exactly after he finished the speech, tell me what you think ?

[libstaK]

I think the auditorium was filled with card holding members of his party.  I doubt his security would risk his life by allowing dissenters within a mile of him.  Therefore the chanting and adoration was to be expected, if not outright orchestrated.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Do they love him for security or for money?

[the-Unexpected-Soul]

here is the full speech in English

[the-Unexpected-Soul]

libstaK, on 06 January 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

filled with card holding members of his party

they are called Shabiha (Ghost-ers)

[the-Unexpected-Soul]

The New Richard Nixon, on 06 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Do they love him for security or for money?

it's a whole culture, but i didn't expect that people would still be like that after what he done

[Helen of Annoy]

I have prejudice against long speeches.
An hour long speech is still short compared to Castro’s or Gaddafi’s records, but the very length of Assad’s speech was not promising at all.

So I decided to look for summary of sorts and here it is:

http://www.nytimes.c...ments.html?_r=0

Quote

President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, sounding defiant, confident, and, to critics, out of touch with the magnitude of his people’s grievances, proposed on Sunday what he called a plan to resolve the country’s 21-month uprising with a new constitution and cabinet.
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Mr. Assad, whose family has ruled Syria for 42 years, said Sunday that he was open to dialogue with “those who have not betrayed Syria,” a likely reference to tolerated opposition groups that reject armed revolution, such the National Coordinating Body for Democratic Change, whose members have been floated by Syria’s allies China and Russia as possible compromise brokers.
Yet Mr. Assad’s speech appeared unlikely to satisfy even those among his opponents who reject the armed rebellion, since it made no apology for the arrests of peaceful activists or for airstrikes that have destroyed neighborhoods. Mr. Assad gave no sign of acknowledging that the movement against him was anything more than a foreign plot or had any goals other than to inflict suffering and destroy the country.

So, if I understood it right, he’s not giving up, the power or the methods he used so far to stay in power.
Also, it's interesting how his definition of a foreign plot changes according to foreign preferences - it's like Assad thinks he himself is Syria, or all that matters about Syria.
A leader should care about nation more than about himself personally. Yes, I'm that naive.

[the-Unexpected-Soul]

Helen of Annoy, on 06 January 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

So I decided to look for summary of sorts and here it is:

http://www.nytimes.c...ments.html?_r=0

great summary, it sum up lots of things

Edited by the-Unexpected-Soul, 06 January 2013 - 04:45 PM.

[and then]

The good thing about his speech is that it leaves no room for any doubt of his intentions.  He's in this 'til the last dog dies.  If he isn't assassinated by one of his own - I expect him to launch chemical weapons against Israel and or Turkey when he senses that it's over for himself personally.  He's a dangerous man in a very dangerous part of the world.

[Mr Right Wing]

Helen of Annoy, on 06 January 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

I have prejudice against long speeches.
An hour long speech is still short compared to Castro’s or Gaddafi’s records, but the very length of Assad’s speech was not promising at all.

So I decided to look for summary of sorts and here it is:

http://www.nytimes.c...ments.html?_r=0

So, if I understood it right, he’s not giving up, the power or the methods he used so far to stay in power.
Also, it's interesting how his definition of a foreign plot changes according to foreign preferences - it's like Assad thinks he himself is Syria, or all that matters about Syria.
A leader should care about nation more than about himself personally. Yes, I'm that naive.

In the not too distant past China was on the rise and got its wings clipped by the British in the opium wars -
1. Afganistan was used to grow opium and smugglers allowed to take it across the border into China.
2. Iran was used to grow opium and smugglers allowed to take it across the border into China.

Fast foward 100 years and china is on the rise again -
1. Afganistan gets occupied and guess what? Thats right growing opium has been made legal by us.
2. In addition Afganistan was found to hold vast mineral reserves a couple years before the war including lithium. For those that dont know China exports 97% of the world lithium which is most commonly used in laptop and mobile phone batteries.
3. Iraq gets picked off so it cant export its oil to China.
4. Libya gets picked off insuring its oil goes to the west.
5. Irans ally Syria is in the process of being picked off.
6. Iran is being threatened despite no evidence of a nuclear weapons program.

Why is this? Is it because China gets 40% of its oil from Iran? Is it to flood China with opium?

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 06 January 2013 - 09:49 PM.

[Hilander]

Assad is full of himself and needs to go.  He doesn't care about anything but himself.  I hope the next leaders put the welfare of Syria first and not for just a few.

[and then]

Mr Right Wing, on 06 January 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

In the not too distant past China was on the rise and got its wings clipped by the British in the opium wars -
1. Afganistan was used to grow opium and smugglers allowed to take it across the border into China.
2. Iran was used to grow opium and smugglers allowed to take it across the border into China.

Fast foward 100 years and china is on the rise again -
1. Afganistan gets occupied and guess what? Thats right growing opium has been made legal by us.
2. In addition Afganistan was found to hold vast mineral reserves a couple years before the war including lithium. For those that dont know China exports 97% of the world lithium which is most commonly used in laptop and mobile phone batteries.
3. Iraq gets picked off so it cant export its oil to China.
4. Libya gets picked off insuring its oil goes to the west.
5. Irans ally Syria is in the process of being picked off.
6. Iran is being threatened despite no evidence of a nuclear weapons program.

Why is this? Is it because China gets 40% of its oil from Iran? Is it to flood China with opium?

Right...... they are undergoing massive, economy destroying, potentially politically destabilizing sanctions just so they can produce electricity from nuclear power.  You people are amazing...... What bothers me most is that when Iran decides to assemble their bomb you'll then make excuses for that as well.  I don't mind when a person picks a side but at least be honest about it for heaven's sake.

[acidhead]

Just curious....

A few days ago the number of deaths so far in this conflict was approximately 46, 000 individuals.  Most members here have been using the number 50, 000.  But today most trusted western mainstream media has been using a 60, 000 number.  They quote the UN as coming out with that number.

????

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The United Nations says 60,000 people have been killed in the civil war, the longest and bloodiest of the conflicts to emerge in two years of revolts in Arab states.
http://www.reuters.c...E8AJ1FK20130106

The link Reuters uses to the UN provides no article or source to back up their claim of 60, 000.... CLICK on it... all the articles in the link are about Iran.

I'm sick of being led like a dog by western MSM.  If you start throwing out numbers PROVIDE a ******* link!.... helllllllooooooooooooooooo!

*****

I'm still on the fence on this issue.  I don't trust either side.  It's none of my business.  And frankly I'm disappointed that the west would provide money and weaponry to a sovereign revolution.  Isn't this against international law?

Edited by acidhead, 07 January 2013 - 01:11 AM.

[Yamato]

and then, on 06 January 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

Right...... they are undergoing massive, economy destroying, potentially politically destabilizing sanctions just so they can produce electricity from nuclear power.  You people are amazing...... What bothers me most is that when Iran decides to assemble their bomb you'll then make excuses for that as well.  I don't mind when a person picks a side but at least be honest about it for heaven's sake.

At least be honest.   There's no evidence of a nuclear weapons program.  

The dishonest arguments are those that take the form of:
Humans develop nuclear weapons programs.   Iran has humans in it!   -->  Iran has a nuclear weapons program.

[Mike D boy]

Bashar Assad holds a grip on his country and its people, he assumes the role of hero or protector of the Syrian people. Watching the people approach him like that in fanatic zeal concerns me and with over 45,000 people killed in the civil war, I expect Bashar Assad to be indicted to the International Human rights tribunal in the Hague if approved. I only hope the violence comes to an end in Syria with the end of the tyrannical Assad regime, but I ask myself whenever Democracy actually arrives in Syria.

Edited by Tsa-La-Gie Oyate, 07 January 2013 - 02:23 AM.