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#406    cormac mac airt

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Posted 30 April 2010 - 12:23 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 29 April 2010 - 11:22 PM, said:

I aasumed I was used to British terminologies, living next door as a Dutch guy, but I had never heard of 'unis'.

What is your opinion about what was said before??

That is what I want to know....

I do know you hate ideas based on nothing but assumptions, but my assumptions are based on  finds, not dreams like Sitchin's or Von Daniken's, ok?

Hmm...ok, maybe the comet thing is a bit off, but I think my ideas about that are quite original. Up to now no one had any idea what those petroglyphs were all about.

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It's not the speculating, based on the facts, I have a problem with. It's the multiple levels of speculating I don't agree with. For me, it's an open invitation for reality to smack one in the side of the head. If I was truly interested in going that deep, I'd write a sci-fi novel. That way, I wouldn't have to worry about reality, and it pays better.

As to your multiple circles/circular patterns, it's at least a possibility. Here is another possibility. Maybe the patterns you are talking about have nothing to do with comets whatsoever and was someone's early interpretation of volcanic debris being flung through the air. Have you ever thought of that. There was a sizeable volcano within relatively close distance and period of time to doggerland to have possibly de-stabilized the Storegga Slide area causing it, eventually, to give way and decimate Doggerland. This volcano was in Grímsvötn, Iceland and was of a VEI 6 level. The dating for it is c.8230 +/- 50 BC. Not saying that that's what happened, but it has the potential of having had more of an effect on Doggerland than an unfound and unverified impactor.

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Edited by cormac mac airt, 30 April 2010 - 12:25 AM.

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Posted 30 April 2010 - 12:40 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 30 April 2010 - 12:23 AM, said:

It's not the speculating, based on the facts, I have a problem with. It's the multiple levels of speculating I don't agree with. For me, it's an open invitation for reality to smack one in the side of the head. If I was truly interested in going that deep, I'd write a sci-fi novel. That way, I wouldn't have to worry about reality, and it pays better.

As to your multiple circles/circular patterns, it's at least a possibility. Here is another possibility. Maybe the patterns you are talking about have nothing to do with comets whatsoever and was someone's early interpretation of volcanic debris being flung through the air. Have you ever thought of that. There was a sizeable volcano within relatively close distance and period of time to doggerland to have possibly de-stabilized the Storegga Slide area causing it, eventually, to give way and decimate Doggerland. This volcano was in Grímsvötn, Iceland and was of a VEI 6 level. The dating for it is c.8230 +/- 50 BC. Not saying that that's what happened, but it has the potential of having had more of an effect on Doggerland than an unfound and unverified impactor.

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I am speculating as long as no new finds show up.

This is NOT sci-fi, this is nothing but speculations based on found artifacts. What is the sci-fi part of all this according to you?

Of course I do realize the circular patterns may have nothing to do with some comet appearing in the skies.

Do you have a better idea??

Now you come up with an eruption of a volcano erupting 2000 years before 6100 BC..... hmmm. You ever heard of the Duppacher Weiher eruption, around 6200 BC??

That means you do have imagination, but also that you just don't agree wit what *I* imagined.

And that eruption doesn't explain those petroglyphs at all.

But I think you knew that already.

Edited by Abramelin, 30 April 2010 - 12:48 AM.


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Posted 30 April 2010 - 01:53 AM

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You ever heard of the Duppacher Weiher eruption, around 6200 BC??

I think your dating is off.

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West Eifel Volcanic Field

Country: Germany
Subregion Name: Germany
Volcano Number: 0100-01-
Volcano Type: Maars
Volcano Status: Radiocarbon
Last Known Eruption: 8300 BC Ī 300 years
Summit Elevation: 600 m 1,968 feet
Latitude: 50.17įN* 50į10'0"N
Longitude: 6.85įE 6į51'0"E

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West Eifel Volcanic Field

Start Date: 8300 BC Ī 300 years     Stop Date: Unknown

Dating Technique: Radiocarbon (uncorrected)          Eruptive Characteristics:
Area of Activity: Strohn, Pulvermaar                        Central vent eruption
                                                                                   Explosive eruption

Start Date: 8740 BC Ī 150 years                               Stop Date: Unknown


Dating Technique: Radiocarbon (corrected)             Eruptive Characteristics:
Area of Activity: Ulmener Maar                               Central vent eruption
                                                                                  Explosive eruption

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So based on the above information, these eruptions are contemporary, or nearly so, with the one in GrŪmsvŲtn, Iceland. Do you know what the Duppacher Weiher eruption measured on the Volcanic Explosivity Index?

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And that eruption doesn't explain those petroglyphs at all.

Assuming that you have definitive, verifiable evidence to back up that claim, then why did you ask my opinion? Otherwise, itís not any more unlikely than your speculations.

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Posted 30 April 2010 - 02:34 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 30 April 2010 - 01:53 AM, said:

I think your dating is off.



Source 1

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Source 2

So based on the above information, these eruptions are contemporary, or nearly so, with the one in Grímsvötn, Iceland. Do you know what the Duppacher Weiher eruption measured on the Volcanic Explosivity Index?

http://en.wikipedia....noes_in_Germany



Assuming that you have definitive, verifiable evidence to back up that claim, then why did you ask my opinion? Otherwise, it's not any more unlikely than your speculations.

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The Duppacher Weiher eruption was not at the time you think it was, it erupted around 6200 BC.

Do YOU know what the Duppacher eruption was on the volcanic eruptions scale??


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Why I ask your opinion?? Well, I have an idea about why people created those petroglyphs, and you come up with something different:


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Maybe the patterns you are talking about have nothing to do with comets whatsoever and was someone's early interpretation of volcanic debris being flung through the air. Have you ever thought of that. There was a sizeable volcano within relatively close distance and period of time to doggerland to have possibly de-stabilized the Storegga Slide area causing it, eventually, to give way and decimate Doggerland. This volcano was in Grímsvötn, Iceland and was of a VEI 6 level. The dating for it is c.8230 +/- 50 BC. Not saying that that's what happened, but it has the potential of having had more of an effect on Doggerland than an unfound and unverified impactor.

Be honest, what I posted about the comets comes a lot closer to those petroglyphs than what your volcano might have produced. I even posted an animation of how the Hale-Bop comet looked like, as seen through a telescope: CIRCLES.

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And all I said was that that comet must have been a lot larger - and closer -  than the Hale-Bopp comet.

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Edited by Abramelin, 30 April 2010 - 02:48 AM.


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Posted 30 April 2010 - 03:02 AM

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The Duppacher Weiher eruption was not at the time you posted:

Based on what? Those dates are from the Smithsonian Institute. If you have evidence of newer dates, Iíd like to read about it.

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Do YOU know what the Duppacher eruption was on the scale??

No, which is why I asked you. If itís of a VEI 5 or less, then its direct impact is meaningless to the disappearance of Doggerland.

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Well, I have an idea about why people created those petroglyphs, and you come up with something different:

But thatís not what you said, your answer, ďAnd that eruption doesn't explain those petroglyphs at allĒ I took as written. A statement of fact. Hence, my assumption that you have definitive, verifiable evidence to back up that claim.

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Be honest, what I posted about the comets comes a lot closer to those petroglyphs than what your volcano might have produced. I even posted an animation of how the Hale-Bop comet looked like, as seen through a telescope: CIRCLES.


Itís irrelevant what Hale-Bopp looked like as there were no telescopes for anyone to use during the time of Doggerland. And I do believe what I posted has just as much merit as your comet explaination, barring any evidence to the contrary.

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Posted 30 April 2010 - 02:25 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 30 April 2010 - 03:02 AM, said:

Based on what? Those dates are from the Smithsonian Institute. If you have evidence of newer dates, I'd like to read about it.



No, which is why I asked you. If it's of a VEI 5 or less, then its direct impact is meaningless to the disappearance of Doggerland.



But that's not what you said, your answer, "And that eruption doesn't explain those petroglyphs at all" I took as written. A statement of fact. Hence, my assumption that you have definitive, verifiable evidence to back up that claim.



It's irrelevant what Hale-Bopp looked like as there were no telescopes for anyone to use during the time of Doggerland. And I do believe what I posted has just as much merit as your comet explaination, barring any evidence to the contrary.

cormac

Yeah, I didn't get the date from a scientific paper, and now I know I must have confused it with the date of an early eruption of Mt. Vesuvius in the 7th millenium BC.

But in the next links they say its 7000 +/- 1000 years, lol. A nice big margin..

http://www.search.co...noes_in_Germany
http://en.wikipedia....noes_in_Germany


Oh, and I never suggested any erupting volcano may have caused Doggerland to submerge or something. The reason I started talking about the Laacher See eruption 13,000 years ago, was just because of the effect of its ash: if I have to believe what was said, then people had to move far away from that area because all the food (plants/animals) and water was spoiled.
So my guess was - and again nothing more than that - that people fled into the direction of Doggerland.

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I still think that a spiralling comet appearing in the night skies (and maybe even followed by an impact in the North Sea) should have been an impressive and scary sight. But of course, then it must have been much closer to the earth than Hale-Bopp ever was. And that is what I said in a former post: IF such a comet appeared, then it must have been huge or very close to earth to be visible with the naked eye.

I only mentioned Hale-Bopp because it actually created spirals; to be honest, I had never heard of that or spiralling comets in general.

Now back to your idea that the petroglyphs could as well have been inspired by a volcanic eruption. Can you explain how that would create concentric circles or spirals in the sky, and visible in many countries?
I posted the Hale-Bopp comet just to show that such spiralling comets exist, and I also posted a scientific paper explaining the how and why of such comets.  Do you have a photo of an erupting volcano giving rise to the same visual effect??


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Posted 30 April 2010 - 05:44 PM

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But in the next links they say its 7000 +/- 1000 years, lol. A nice big margin.

Considering that there is no information in those links as to how those dates were determined, but the ones from the Smithsonian show they were carbon dated, Iíll go with the Smithsonianís.

Volcanic Bombs come in many sizes and, while in flight, can take on many of these spiral shapes. Clouds forming around the cone of volcanoes have been known to take on the appearance of concentric circles. Ejecta hitting the water, much like a drop of water on a calm pond, can produce a series of concentric circles.

The following link is to a picture of a large Volcanic Bomb. While travelling through the air end over end, ejecting extremely hot bits of itself, it would have taken on the appearance of a flying spiral.

From Clear Lake, California

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 12:59 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 30 April 2010 - 05:44 PM, said:

-1- Considering that there is no information in those links as to how those dates were determined, but the ones from the Smithsonian show they were carbon dated, I'll go with the Smithsonian's.

-2- Volcanic Bombs come in many sizes and, while in flight, can take on many of these spiral shapes. Clouds forming around the cone of volcanoes have been known to take on the appearance of concentric circles. Ejecta hitting the water, much like a drop of water on a calm pond, can produce a series of concentric circles.

-3- The following link is to a picture of a large Volcanic Bomb. While travelling through the air end over end, ejecting extremely hot bits of itself, it would have taken on the appearance of a flying spiral.

From Clear Lake, California

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-1- Yes, I already said I was wrong; I had confused dates and volcanos.

-2- My question is, could the spiral shapes created by volcanic bombs be visible 1000's of miles away (if we consider an Icelandic volcano and petroglyphs as far away as Norway and Scotland, and even France/Brittany) and could they be visible in their total shape, not just part of it?

And concentric circles coming from the cone of the volcano itself would only be visible completely for someone flying over that volcano.

Ejecta hitting water would of course create circles, but would that sight be special/spectacular/impressive enough for people to want to depict that effect on stone, over and over again?

--3- Cormac, I have tried to find a photo or image showing me those spiral shapes created by volanic bombs, but failed to find any.


And what explanation do you have for those socalled 'cup-and-circle' petroglyphs, petroglyphs ("rock-art") that show concentric circles with a straight line from center to the circumference?  Many look like that.



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I think the only volcanic spiral cloud, or volcanic cloud made up of concentric circles, and completely visible from far away, would be one that is vertical:

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That would indeed be spectacular, but I have never seen any photo showing that kind of volcanic cloud.




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Edited by Abramelin, 01 May 2010 - 01:28 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2010 - 04:47 PM

The reason I started about these 'cup-and-circle' petroglyphs is because I noticed that Scotland, England, and Ireland appear to be flooded with these symbols. They also show up on other places on earth, like Australia and North America, but much less frequent.

They are said to date from the Neolitic or the Bronze age, but that is solely based on the megalithic structures erected nearby; no one has a real idea about their true age.

There are several suggestions as to what they could symbolize/mean:

-1- drug induced/shamanic symbols. Some here will know that concentric circles and spirals can be seen in ones field of vision during 'certain'' states. For those who don't have that experience... think the other way round: a famous hypnotic tool is a revolving spiral.

Here is a site that talks about the shamanic meaning of these symbols:

http://dreamflesh.co...says/shamanism/
http://dreamflesh.com/essays/rockform/

-2- directions, settlements, in short: a land map. Together with the cup marks, these symbols could symbolize certain sacred places (the ones with the concentric circles) like wells adjoined by holes - towns? -  the 'cup marks'

-3- I once read about it being comets seen in the sky. That is why I started a search, and ended up with this nice fantasy it could have been depictions of revolving comets outgassing sideways, creating spirals and/or concentric circles in the night sky.

That alone would have been a spectacular view, but if it was connected with an impact (here: into the North Sea, causing the Storegga Slide, and the subsequent flooding of Doggerland / no proof at all, just an idea), then it would have been imprinted onto the memories of the people living back then.

-4- Cormac suggested these cup-and-circle petroglyphs or concentric circles/spirals could have been caused by people viewing a volcanic eruption that created these things (either by concentric circles of ash around the cone, or by the volcanic bombs ejecting from the volcano. But that very probably implies the volcano responsible for the heavenly spectacle had to be nearby where people started carving the spectacle in rock. Icelandic volcanos are too far away, and so I think if what Cormac says did indeed happen, then it must have been a volcano on the European mainland.



What I saw as a telling coincidence is, that ancient (earthen, wooden and stone) henges in Britain, Ireland, and Germany have a layout like many of these petroglyphs: concentric circles with a straight line cutting through the rings, from the center (the 'cup') to the outer ring.


Well, I wasn't the first to think of that:


It is noticeable that Henges create a similar design as the cup-and-ring marks found engraved on the megaliths themselves. Nowhere is this more clear than at Tara Hill in Ireland (above), where a stone inside the mound of the hostages has a set of markings on it which shows a close resemblance to the layout of the earth-works at Tara.

http://www.ancient-w...dlandscapes.htm
http://www.ancient-w...o.uk/henges.htm

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A wooden henge from Germany:
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Edited by Abramelin, 01 May 2010 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2010 - 06:09 PM

OK, I will tell you something.....

This place, nah, this forum of this site, is supposed to be about "Ancient Mysteries & Alternative History".

Now I have done my utter best to tell you about something, some place, some country, that got submerged at around 6100 BC or earlier.

Aside from a couple of people who have brains and posted here, the rest of you think this topic is boring.......... because there is no talk about flying saucers, pyramids, amazing technology, aliens, "Annunaki" (Sitchins baby, and nothing to back it up with) and so on.

If you want to choose to live in fairy land, be my guest.

But if you have ANY desire to think, compare, research, and have a critical mind, ... then start posting in this thread.

This Doggerland, this was a real submerged country. No Plato, No Annunaki, No Aztecs, no one ever knew it existed.

This was a country only SCIENCE knew about.

No 'channeling' religoius nut, or drug addict ever hear aout it.

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Heh, I need imput of more people; geologists, linguists, archeologists, geneticists, historians.

Come on people, wake up.

This is not dreamland, this is the real thing.

Use your fcking brains.

Edited by Abramelin, 01 May 2010 - 07:06 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2010 - 07:08 PM

Couldn't agree more Abe. I'd like to go to Elfheim over fairy land though, I'd settle with seeing Tara.

I think it is an interesting topic because it is total fact. There is no fiction involved here as we know when and where Doggerland was. There spirals, cups and balls are all enough to say that something heavy went down but some scientific support would be good.

Around that time we may have sea rises but it seems like something seismic or celestial occurred, for a whole country to fall into the sea is such a massive event. Erosion happens but over time and never on this scale. What are the geological expalantions behind it?

To spend the time toengrave those spirals it must have been impotant to the people doing it. Or was it somekind of compeition: who carved the best spiral got the most fertile bride is it?

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 12:34 AM

View PostSlimJim22, on 01 May 2010 - 07:08 PM, said:

Couldn't agree more Abe. I'd like to go to Elfheim over fairy land though, I'd settle with seeing Tara.

I think it is an interesting topic because it is total fact. There is no fiction involved here as we know when and where Doggerland was. There spirals, cups and balls are all enough to say that something heavy went down but some scientific support would be good.

Around that time we may have sea rises but it seems like something seismic or celestial occurred, for a whole country to fall into the sea is such a massive event. Erosion happens but over time and never on this scale. What are the geological expalantions behind it?

To spend the time to engrave those spirals it must have been important to the people doing it. Or was it somekind of competition: who carved the best spiral got the most fertile bride is it?


The geological explanations behind it?? Man, I have mentioned the Storegga Slide ad nauseum.

It was a submarine slide of a large part of the sea floor, the size of Iceland, west of Norway. Geologists (working for oil companies)  say it was caused by it being unstable, and that it happened several times.


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Posted 02 May 2010 - 01:17 AM

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-2- My question is, could the spiral shapes created by volcanic bombs be visible 1000's of miles away (if we consider an Icelandic volcano and petroglyphs as far away as Norway and Scotland, and even France/Brittany) and could they be visible in their total shape, not just part of it?

A counter question would be, why would the spiral shapes have to be seen from thousands of miles away? Much like different forms of pottery or flint knapping, the designs could just as well have been copied from place to place. AFAIK, there is no definitive evidence that such designs originated in any one specific place. Some versions could have been seen and copied from the Iceland volcano, others from the (nearly) contemporary Duppacher Weiher eruption. There is nothing to suggest it has to be an either/or proposition.

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And concentric circles coming from the cone of the volcano itself would only be visible completely for someone flying over that volcano.

Not really, the pictures at these links wouldn't necessarily have to be seen from overhead:

Link 1

Link 2

Picture in frame here:

Link 3

I couldnít find any pictures of volcanic bombs in flight, either, with is understandable. Thatís the last place anyone in their right mind would want to be, in the middle of a volcanic bombardment.

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Ejecta hitting water would of course create circles, but would that sight be special/spectacular/impressive enough for people to want to depict that effect on stone, over and over again?

The Egyptians and Sumerians created depictions of beings with animal parts. What would, then, be so special about someone creating some rather plain looking designs?

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Come on people, wake up.

This is not dreamland, this is the real thing.

Use your fcking brains.

In all fairness, Abramelin, I think this is rather uncalled for. No one is obligated to find your thread interesting, nor to post in it. Several of us have had threads that petered out rather quickly due to lack of interest, for whatever reason. It happens, get over it. At best, you're going to piss off more people who will not take the time to post. At worst, you'll piss off the MODS who will either shut it, or you, down. The last time you had a spastic attack, a few of us put in a word or two which possibly kept it from disappearing altogether. It's an interesting thread. In the least, I think you owe us by keeping things civil. If not, then I'll quit this thread altogether. Your choice.

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 02:20 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 02 May 2010 - 01:17 AM, said:

A counter question would be, why would the spiral shapes have to be seen from thousands of miles away? Much like different forms of pottery or flint knapping, the designs could just as well have been copied from place to place. AFAIK, there is no definitive evidence that such designs originated in any one specific place. Some versions could have been seen and copied from the Iceland volcano, others from the (nearly) contemporary Duppacher Weiher eruption. There is nothing to suggest it has to be an either/or proposition.



Not really, the pictures at these links wouldn't necessarily have to be seen from overhead:

Link 1

Link 2

Picture in frame here:

Link 3

I couldn't find any pictures of volcanic bombs in flight, either, with is understandable. That's the last place anyone in their right mind would want to be, in the middle of a volcanic bombardment.



The Egyptians and Sumerians created depictions of beings with animal parts. What would, then, be so special about someone creating some rather plain looking designs?



In all fairness, Abramelin, I think this is rather uncalled for. No one is obligated to find your thread interesting, nor to post in it. Several of us have had threads that petered out rather quickly due to lack of interest, for whatever reason. It happens, get over it. At best, you're going to piss off more people who will not take the time to post. At worst, you'll piss off the MODS who will either shut it, or you, down. The last time you had a spastic attack, a few of us put in a word or two which possibly kept it from disappearing altogether. It's an interesting thread. In the least, I think you owe us by keeping things civil. If not, then I'll quit this thread altogether. Your choice.

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You are suggesting that, first, a spiral shaped cloud (or one made up from several concentric circular clouds) formed on 2 volcanos around the same time?? I have never seen even one, not one single photo on the entire internet, though you claim they can form. Show me one example, please. The ones you posted the links to (and of which only one actually produced a photo) do not look at all like what we are talking about here.

Second, for what reason were the ancient ancestors of the Scots the ones who carved these spirals all over their country? Because they had telescope eyes and could watch both the Icelandic and German volcanos from afar? Were there volcano missionaries, and the Scots were there most fanatic converts?? Come on.

Third, my spastic attacks kept this thread going for 28 pages. It's good to be spastic, and I think I can keep it going on for many more pages, entirely on my own. But any input from others would be welcome. There are lots of people posting here who have lots more imagination, and even real knowledge,  than I will ever have, so I sometimes challenge them.


There are threads here going on for 150 pages, and most of the posts are based on people not interested on reading the previous pages, or to stubborn to accept what was explained a thousand times before. That is why I sometimes post something resembling a summary, so that even the laziest amongst us can know what is going on. Not that it helps much, true...

And are you really afraid I will piss of the MODs? What for? Because I challenge people to use their imagination in a constructive way instead of using it to dream of aliens and werewolves??


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Posted 02 May 2010 - 05:14 AM

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You are suggesting that, first, a spiral shaped cloud (or one made up from several concentric circular clouds) formed on 2 volcanos around the same time??

No, which is why I said the following, although I should have amended it to include both spiral shapes and concentric circles.

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Some versions could have been seen and copied from the Iceland volcano, others from the (nearly) contemporary Duppacher Weiher eruption. There is nothing to suggest it has to be an either/or proposition.

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The ones you posted the links to (and of which only one actually produced a photo) do not look at all like what we are talking about here.

Actually, the middle one didnít work for me. Donít know why, but it was the worst example anyway and not worth bothering with. The one in the frame was the best example and could have been interpreted as concentric circles, which was what I was trying to show.

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Second, for what reason were the ancient ancestors of the Scots the ones who carved these spirals all over their country? Because they had telescope eyes and could watch both the Icelandic and German volcanos from afar?

Again, it doesn't have to be an either/or proposition. And what evidence do you have that the ancestors of todayís Scots were responsible for these depictions? How do you know that someone else didnít do it and pass it down to the Scots? Particularly as Irish legend, IIRC, would have the todayís Scots originating from Eochaid Allmuir (c.240 AD) and other immigrants, who had left their homeland when a bid for independence was severely crushed by their High-King.

Also, Doggerland wasnít the only area above sea level prior to 6100 BC. Northern, Western and Southern areas around England and Ireland were as well. Possibly even a bigger portion of the Faroe Islands and intermittent areas southwest from there.

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Third, my spastic attacks kept this thread going for 28 pages. It's good to be spastic, and I think I can keep it going on for many more pages, entirely on my own. But any input from others would be welcome. There are lots of people posting here who have lots more imagination, and even real knowledge, than I will ever have, so I sometimes challenge them.

So youíd rather talk to yourself and insult people for not being interested enough to post in your thread. Youíre not encouraging anything. But thatís OK, Iím done here.

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The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction, we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined, were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians. --  Plato's Timaeus




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