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[Paracelse]

I'll tell when I'll come back.... if I remember

[sutemi]

Bling, on 24 November 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

If you are an atheist, agnostic, non believer, non religious person....what do you believe happens when you die?

Physically, Spiritually, Emotionally, Morally....whatever.

Hi ya Bling, sorry to hear of your recent loss. Here’s a short film about a NDE that is really nice I hope you like it,  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k

also here’s a 14min film by a doctor who had a stroke and tells of her experience. She did not die but her experience is heart warming and a message all should hear. I have practiced meditation for over 30yrs and have been lucky enough to have experienced the same as the good doctor and a bit more there is an Inner Light it is Love it is our home. You can KNOW this experience for yourself by practicing meditation under the tutelage of a good teacher. I like your dancing banana. Take care

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEY  ‘ a stroke of insight’

‘all that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream’ Edgar Allen Poe

[dougeaton]

There are atheist who believe in an after life here is a site:  http://www.cfpf.org.uk/.

I don't know, I do care, and I fear death.  I believe those who say they don't, well they are sincere, but perhaps we don't know know we feel about death until we get the news from our doctor.  Sorry about you loss, awful, I know there is nothing that can be said by a stranger that helps, but death sucks big time.

I hope this site gives you some help.

[C235]

I may explode & cause a black hole!!!

[Blood_Sacrifice]

"What happens when you die?"

Well, erm, you die. That's the best we can get out of it.

Frankly though, I wouldn't mind some struggle in the afterlife if one exists. What I can't fathom is complete oblivion - no pain, no happiness, no consciousness, nothing - just oblivion. That horrifies me the most.

[Alienated Being]

We rot, and our bodies become one with the earth. We don't have any evidence for an afterlife and from a scientific standpoint it is strictly impossible for one to exist. Quite frankly, I do not view death in a negative light, rather I view it as a beautiful thing; our energy will exist in the universe until its end... our energy will exist in the soil, in the trees, in the plants, etc. People who believe in afterlife are not only kidding themselves, but living an unfulfilled life. What comfort exists in believing that when you die, you get to spend an eternity with loved ones? That sounds quite depressing, to be honest. My great grandparents are dead, and that's it. I will not be seeing them at the end of milk-white tunnel as I die, and I won't be spending an eternity with them, either. In believing as such, we take things for granted.. I love life, and knowing there is only one encourages me to pursue my dreams and aspirations, as this is the only chance I will have. Life is a beautiful thing, so instead of taking pictures... experience it, cherish it... We are truly privileged to be able to thrive on this azrael mass in this vast universe.

[Seeker79]

JGirl, on 24 November 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

i'd fall under the category of non religious in the sense that i don't adhere to any specific religion - but i do believe in god

what i believe, or let's say want to believe, is that we still exist with awareness.
although i always sort of thought there must be more, it wasn't a big question in my life.  since my son died i find myself wondering where he is, how he is, if he is. it helps to imagine he is existing somewhere other than my memory.

Don't worry Jgirl. I have been to the spirit world. It's there Im certain of it.

If I am wrong, and I'm simply talented at altered states of conciousness and nature is simply a cold random but deterministic march, be assured this life is merely a snapshot of a rare probability in an infinity of causality. As such the number will come up again somewhere or some time and your life with your son will come up again and is indeed a constant of the universe. Eitherway, we spend an eternity in the presence of those that we love. Logically there is no reason to assume that there is only one go then poof it's over forever. The only way that happens is if there is a creator god that allows true death, and I do not believe that for a second

Edited by Seeker79, 24 November 2012 - 04:57 PM.

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Paracelse, on 24 November 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

I'll tell when I'll come back.... if I remember

Ah, the Houdini method.

[Sean93]

You know that state of mind you're in when in a dreamless sleep? When you aren't aware of anything at all and don't even know you're sleeping? That's the most probable way of explaining death to me.

Humans hold themselves in the highest regards because we are the most advanced creature on Earth, but even then, we're still just that...animals. My Religious teacher once told me that animals don't have souls and I know for a fact that this is because we cannot understand them or that they aren't as advanced as us but it's a fact that in reality, we too are just animals with a superiority complex.

Edited by Sean93, 24 November 2012 - 06:37 PM.

[Seeker79]

Alienated Being, on 24 November 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

We don't have any evidence for an afterlife and from a scientific standpoint it is strictly impossible for one to exist.

This is completely incorrect. We have plenty of evidence, and science says absolutely nothing about an afterlife... It can't possibly.

If the universe is built upon probability only, then the arrangements of baryonic matter are finite. If something is possible it will come about again evenchually. Our lives and universe then become a repeating scenario vastly separated but infinitely repetitive. Either way we have eternal life.

Edited by Seeker79, 24 November 2012 - 07:16 PM.

[Sean93]

Seeker79, on 24 November 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

This is completely incorrect. We have plenty of evidence, and science says absolutely nothing about an afterlife... It can't possibly.

What is the most significant piece of evidence for an afterlife, as you have stated we have 'plenty'.  Surely if we have plenty it would be known on a wide scale.

[Seeker79]

Sean93, on 24 November 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

What is the most significant piece of evidence for an afterlife, as you have stated we have 'plenty'.  Surely if we have plenty it would be known on a wide scale.

It is.
I did not say proof... I said evidence.
http://near-death.com/

That's just one body of evidence. Haveing been there myself. I cannot deni it's existence.

Edited by Seeker79, 24 November 2012 - 07:22 PM.

[Sean93]

Seeker79, on 24 November 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

It is.
I did not say proof... I said evidence.
http://near-death.com/

Oh, NDE'S...thought it would be something more mind blowing that that, NDE's are debated all over the place, some think it's brain activity, others think it's a genuine after life. Of course, they vary from God to God, culture to culture, faith to faith so either it's to do with culture or there IS  indeed an after life but not affiliated with any of our Earthly religions OR that all the religions are right, one of the accounts on that site you linked is that a woman saw a girl turn into a mermaid? I want some of what she's smoking!

People have told me that I have had astral projections before. I have said it was Sleep Paralysis. Y'see, I get sleep paralysis a lot due to anxiety but every time I open my eyes in Sleep Paralysis, I can see my room exactly as it is, to the detail. I once even saw myself standing beside my Tv. If the room is bright, I 'wake up' in brightness, if it's dark, I 'wake up' in darkness, even if I change room and awake in SP, I can see that other room before me. I think Astral Projection is balls and if it's real I must be ******* great at it because I can do it any time I'm tired.

What I'm saying is, people are quick to jump onto the 'extra-ordinary' bandwagon when something weird happens and say that science can't explain it. Of course, it is important to note that the effects of NDE's have been brought on in test's by stimulation of the Temporal Lobe, you know, the Godly presence etc. One of the effects of people being near death is a feeling of indifference and seeing a tunnel. Well, a bully once came behind me and strangled me so hard, that I went limp and felt nothing, my mind was almost blank and before me was the ceiling, which I was staring back at through tunnelled vision. I knew I was in the class room, but I felt nothing. This went on for a few seconds and was WEIRD but I eventually got back up and felt numb all over - my oxygen depraved brain most likely.

Edited by Sean93, 24 November 2012 - 07:45 PM.

[Cybele]

Sean93, on 24 November 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

You know that state of mind you're in when in a dreamless sleep? When you aren't aware of anything at all and don't even know you're sleeping? That's the most probable way of explaining death to me.

Even in sleep there are varying levels of awareness. For anyone who's been under anesthesia for major surgery (which I had the misfortune of requiring on my eye at the tender age of 14), the time between going under and waking up is just completely gone. There seems to be absolutely no consciousness or any sort of transition between these two points. It's striking, really.

This is what I imagine death to be like except, you know, you can't wake up because your body has rotted to the point where it can't sustain neural activity. What I described was neither a good or bad experience. We fear change and the unknown, so we invent stories and interpret our experiences so as to comfort ourselves. I do not believe our consciousness survives death, though I think it can certainly do funny things while we're dying, which we can then report if we're "given a second chance" which doesn't come with significant brain damage.

Now this is making me curious as to what anesthesia actually does to the brain...

Edited by Cybele, 24 November 2012 - 07:47 PM.

[Sean93]

Cybele, on 24 November 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

Even in sleep there are varying levels of awareness. For anyone who's been under anesthesia for major surgery (which I had the misfortune of requiring on my eye at the tender age of 14), the time between going under and waking up is just completely gone. There seems to be absolutely no consciousness or any sort of transition between these two points. It's striking, really.

This is what I imagine death to be like except, you know, you can't wake up because your body has rotted to the point where it can't sustain neural activity. What I described was neither a good or bad experience. We fear change and the unknown, so we invent stories and interpret our experiences so as to comfort ourselves. I do not believe our consciousness survives death, though I think it can certainly do funny things while we're dying, which we can then report if we're "given a second chance" which doesn't come with significant brain damage.

Now this is making me curious as to what anesthesia actually does to the brain...

I've been under anesthesia before too - it's nothingness. I'm not trying to sound depressing here (I certainly don't intend for it to be so) but I am happiest when I am in that deep dreamless sleep, to me that is paradise in itself, because it's like nothing exists, no fears or concerns, no cares or pain - just oblivion. That's why i love a good sleep, at least until the Sleep Paralysis kicks in, then it all goes to ****.

Edited by Sean93, 24 November 2012 - 07:54 PM.