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#6826    bee

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

View PostDingoLingo, on 11 February 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:


basically the whole AA is to make money.. sell books.. sell tickets to talks and lectures.. make money from videos.. tours etc.. it is as much as of a scam as the y2k virus..


there is a hell of a lot more money to be made....and is made, by orthodox Egyptology (etc) than any of the AA stuff....

careers and belief systems are also at stake....the status quo will always close ranks when threatened...


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:49 PM

View Postbee, on 11 February 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

there is a hell of a lot more money to be made....and is made, by orthodox Egyptology (etc) than any of the AA stuff....

careers and belief systems are also at stake....the status quo will always close ranks when threatened...

I don't think so. I have never seen a bestseller written by Zawass or Lehner. Their books were written for specialists, while books written by a Hancock and Sitchin sell like hamburgers for those who prefer fast mind-food.


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 11 February 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

So the Fall of Mankind may have been, by this interpretation, true, only it was the ETs that were responsible? So therefore, the Biblical stories were not actually mythology, but were an attempt to document what actually went on, only that "God" was or were actually ETs?
This is an interesting interpretation.

You put that well.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 11 February 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

you're missing the bit where those children of women and Angels  were wiped out.
whoops. You're also missing thepolitical implication of that story in the Bible. Ohh look, we'e chosen by God, they're the bastad off-spring of Fallen Angelîc rape. We have God on our side, they'e nothing but wisted and evil troll people.

All of the Pentuarch is like that. We're God's people, he'll look after us evenif we've been d********s again and been drummed out f the magc circle (again).

I think you are correct.  There have been major changes of planetary epoch that have led to a purging of the race.  It's a long and detailed story that I am still only at the beginning of unravelling.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 11 February 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

So zoser, you have presented arguments that you feel are definitive and beyond reproach? Well, let's see:

1) Granite will never produce electricity, no matter how much it is vibrated.

2) You have basically taken tiny snippets of Ancient Egyptian art out of context and misinterpreted them to be technology when in fact their meaning has been well known for quite a long time.

3) You have failed to produce even a single bit of ancient technology to support your conclusion

4) You have failed to show definitively that aliens were in fact present in ancient history, at any point in time.

5) You have denied that egyptologists have things correct with allusions to some sort of conspiracy without giving any evidence thereof.

6) Your grasp of engineering and construction is woefully inadequate, thus the need to parrot other people's ideas who, ironically, show signs of also having inadequate knowledge.

7) You cherry pick points that might support your conclusion when taken out of context while neglecting the bigger picture.

8) All of these 'anomalies' have yet to be bound together in a cohesive, encompassing hypothesis.

9) Your continued denial of the favored theory of the Great Pyramid by modern academia shows your inability to understand or appreciate the lifetimes of study and hard work that have gone into said theory.

10) Your 'my theory stands until you disprove it' stance is a logical fallacy that really should have never made it past your lips if you were honest about your quest for the truth.

I could go on though I think the gist is apparent. If you are going to challenge the current theory on the Great Pyramid then you have a helluva lot of work to do. As it stands, you haven't even laid your hands on the apple cart, let alone upset it.

Good to see that you are keeping up with the thread.  Even if your sense of perception is a little awry.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

View Postseeder, on 11 February 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:



No youre not responding to any aspect, if that was so youd have answered my simple 2 questions, which I will persist in asking till you answer them. Only 2 questions for the man who thinks he has all the answers, Your ignorance will say 'go back and read posts', 'search youtube'.... well the answer to that mate is a simple NO.

You make the claims. You name your sources. Everyone else will post sources willingly, so play the game. Becuase most of your ideas come from one man , Dunn. Putting him on a pedestal like he knows 'stuff' that means history needs to be rewritten.

If it were the case that you 'modern researchers'  have now 'reached the conclusions' on the real 'facts' of the mids, then I want to know about them. Who wouldnt? If someone knows something and has NEW facts about the GP that I didnt know about, of course Im interested and want to know more, in one sense, so name them.

Ive named your primary source - Dunn. Please list the others.  Its a simple request , and as per the "I'm just responding to any aspect of the AA hypothesis as people discuss them" well then prove it. Respond to me?  Do not swerve again and say its all there on google/youtube, list your sources.

Because then you will really struggle to get past Dunn wont you? hence I can understand your lack of willingness to actually respond. So it comes back to what Ive said earlier...there are not a whole bunch of  modern researchers switching on...haha, to the pyramid energy theory, at all are there?

But if so - name them, so simple.


Well there are loads of them.  The chemical engineers that proposed the nuclear energy theory for a start.   For me it's not the names that are important but more the fact that people are taking up the research with enthusiasm.   The fact that they are specialists in individual fields only adds to the seriousness of the endeavour but as I said it's more the fact that people would do it.

Partly in protest of the warped mainstream theories and partly because people now have access to information that 30 years ago they could only dream about.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:14 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 11 February 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

Although it lies completely out of sight, Djoser’s burial chamber and associated tunnels and galleries are at least as impressive as any other part of the complex at Saqqara.  Djoser was buried in a red granite sarcophagus at the bottom of a 92-foot shaft under the pyramid.  His mummy was not found, and what few remains have been recovered from the burial chamber date to a later period.

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In other words...there is no proof that he was buried there or that it was purpose built for his burial...


On your link....it even says that the 'Southern Tomb' wasn't actually tomb


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Although it is called a tomb, it is too small for a sarcophagus, and like much of the rest of the complex, appears to have served a symbolic function.



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This also shows you that this older pyramid wasn't anything like your granite resonator/machine/power-plant/whatever.

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well perhaps they didn't have to be exactly the same....???


like the Great Pyramid....the 'Djoser' one has a red granite 'sarcophagus'....with no proof that a body was ever in it...


Even Egyptologist disagree on fundamental stuff like....


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Inscriptions on several jars dated to his rule indicate that he was the son of Pharaoh Khasekhemwy, the last king of the Second Dynasty. Some Egyptologists have attested that Djoser was the second king of the Third Dynasty, with his (possible) brother Sanakhte being the first. However, most now believe that Sanakhte’s rule followed that of Djoser.

Oh and I like the way, in your link....the pyramid is described as a 'machine' and a 'device'..... :D :P


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Djoser’s complex is a highly integrated machine


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This giant stone device


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

View Postbee, on 11 February 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:


Oh and I like the way, in your link....the pyramid is described as a 'machine' and a 'device'..... :D :P


Like I said; more and more people are taking up the idea.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:00 PM

Reply to slave.  Had to do it this way because multi quote wasn't working.


So zoser, you have presented arguments that you feel are definitive and beyond reproach? Well, let's see:

1) Granite will never produce electricity, no matter how much it is vibrated.


You seem so certain despite the fact that it's never been replicated.  Not that I would recommend it since according to these people there may be radioactive emissions as well.

http://nuclearpyrami...eat_pyramid.php

2) You have basically taken tiny snippets of Ancient Egyptian art out of context and misinterpreted them to be technology when in fact their meaning has been well known for quite a long time.



Well known by whom?  Maybe a growing number of people are no longer satisfied by the mindless pap that they constantly ooze.

3) You have failed to produce even a single bit of ancient technology to support your conclusion



Lots of logistics that all point to the same thing.  Unexplained high precision stonework all over the world but the GP has to be the biggest smoking gun.  No satisfacory explanations exist in the mainstream, and so well qualified specialists have risen to resolve the matter.

4) You have failed to show definitively that aliens were in fact present in ancient history, at any point in time.



The GP wasn't built by tribal folk straight out of the stone age.  Find the tools for a start and maybe we will talk again.

5) You have denied that egyptologists have things correct with allusions to some sort of conspiracy without giving any evidence thereof.


Conspiracies there maybe.  More likely though they are protecting their jobs and positions.
I know fairy tales when I hear them and they always come from the direction of Egyptologists.  I admire the folk who are standing up now all over the world to convey the truth about our enigmatic ancestors.   If you feel I have been in error in some technical sense please qualify it.




6) Your grasp of engineering and construction is woefully inadequate, thus the need to parrot other people's ideas who, ironically, show signs of also having inadequate knowledge.


The bigger picture is that there have been advanced cultures here in the distant past that mainstream history takes no account of.  They interacted with the indiginous stock and the rest of the disaster can be traced over the last ten thousand years.  That's the bigger picture.  Not ego hungry Pharaohs flogging thousands of slaves to death to haul one block up a pyramid.

7) You cherry pick points that might support your conclusion when taken out of context while neglecting the bigger picture.



Ever heard of a 'work in progress'?  I know you tend to see me as a font of all knowledge but I'm really not.  Just humble zoser doing what he loves.

8) All of these 'anomalies' have yet to be bound together in a cohesive, encompassing hypothesis.



The pyramid was no tomb.  Precision stonework to that accuracy needs special high tech equipment.  Protzen, Lehner and the Japanese crew all proved the same point.

9) Your continued denial of the favored theory of the Great Pyramid by modern academia shows your inability to understand or appreciate the lifetimes of study and hard work that have gone into said theory.



The logistics are far more in favour of the machine theory than the tomb theory.  It's that simple really.

10) Your 'my theory stands until you disprove it' stance is a logical fallacy that really should have never made it past your lips if you were honest about your quest for the truth.



Was there ever a theory on the GP before Dunn's research?  Well if you could call it that, but it was about as credible as the flat earth theory wasn't it?

I could go on though I think the gist is apparent. If you are going to challenge the current theory on the Great Pyramid then you have a helluva lot of work to do. As it stands, you haven't even laid your hands on the apple cart, let alone upset it.



The truth will set you free my good friend.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:06 PM

View PostEsoteric Toad, on 11 February 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

It does not make my life difficult at all. It basically illustrates the AA's deep desire to reinvent the wheel when we already have it. Seems a terrible waste of time revising history completely when so many cultures have been writing, and quite clearly apparently, what went on and how things were done. Yet the AA folks pick and choose, ignore obvious evidence in favorite of basically degrading mankind to idiots who cannot make anything without help from alienz.

Believe what you like. Fortunately there are those that point out your flawed belief so that hope you more people can wonder at what HUMANITY did instead of taking the low road of we could not do it without help. History is full of people who have convinced their followers they are failures but it isn't their fault.....

Better to expose the truth surely than perpetuate falsehoods.  That's the principle at stake here.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:28 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 February 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Like I said; more and more people are taking up the idea.

They'll feel like idiots when they see how silly the theory is. Just like we felt like idiots in the 70's when "Chariots of the Gods" seemed to make sense until real scientists who studied these things professionally explained how a criminal mislead us and got rich doing it.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:02 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 February 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

No evidence of any gold or precious adornment found in the GP simple.  If there was gold it was most likely for functional purposes.  I can tell you with absolute certainty there was never any adorning or ritual treasure in there.
There is testimoney to the gold found in the GP given to us by the first person to get inside since Egypt fell under Roman rule- Arabs under the Caliph  Al Mamoun.  It was already quoted in this thread what they found.

Ignoring it, of course, manufactures this "mystery."

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 February 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

1) Granite will never produce electricity, no matter how much it is vibrated.


You seem so certain despite the fact that it's never been replicated.  Not that I would recommend it since according to these people there may be radioactive emissions as well.

http://nuclearpyrami...eat_pyramid.php

If anyone needs a good laugh today, don't hesitate to click on that link. It appears that zoser has accepted that granite doesn't produce electricity through piezoelectricity and has moved on to a more plausible theory: the pyramid was a nuclear reactor! Or zoser thinks they're the same thing.

Here are some gems that await you!

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Uranium ore from the center of Africa could probably be brought down the Nile River to Giza. In particular, Giza has a layer of bedrock with sand layers below it. The bedrock can support the pyramid and the sand layers can absorb and retain radioactive waste.

It's nice to hear that uranium can be easily mined without leaving a trace and doesn't need to be refined.

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The granite must be able to withstand the high temperature and radiation emitted by the fissioning uranium oxide. It has to survive the damage from radiation for a very long time. It must allow passage of most of the neutrons, which it does.

The damage to granite caused by absorption of radiation and extreme temperatures caused by a nuclear reaction would be very obvious. Compared to other rocks, granite doesn't handle high temperatures very well. It tends to split along internal cracks. The internal blocks in the pyramids don't show any deterioration from heat or radiation.

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Assuming retention of the uranium and plutonium oxides, the major, soluble, radioactive isotopes are Cesium-137 and Strontium-90. Because they have half-lives of 30 years and 28 years, respectively, they would no longer be detectable.

Cesium-137 decays into Barium-137 which has never been found in a pyramid. Strontium-90 decays into yttrium-90 which has also never been detected in a pyramid. The author wants you to think that nuclear materials simply disappear once they've decayed to more stable substances. I wish this were true.

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If the granite from the Kings Chamber was exposed to a neutron flux, some of the U-238 would have been transformed to plutonium isotopes. The presence of any plutonium would prove nuclear fission.

But there have been no traces of plutonium found in the pyramids. That destroys the entire theory. Oh wait, there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for this as well...

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There is no archeological evidence of power stations and electrical grids existing on earth in the past 10,000 years, which would have utilized the plutonium. The logical answer is obvious: the plutonium was taken off planet. Barring travel to another solar system, the rational destination could only be Mars.

Yep the "logical answer is obvious": Martians were using the pyramids as breeder reactors to generate plutonium and transport it back to Mars. My gosh, the pieces all fit together.

Thanks zoser!


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

My Goodness! They say women talk too much :lol: !

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:13 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 February 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

Claims won't do.  Evidence is what is needed.  Tombs were built underground in ancient Egypt all through it's history.  As far as I can see that's unarguable.

So we can comfortably dismiss any stories as just stories and not evidence? HOT DAMN! (Proceeds to rip out half of every AA book ever written)

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Flip that coin over.  Egyptologists saw burial mastabas and made the false connection with pyramids.  Are they the same?  One is built out of mud brick, while the GP for example is a marvel or precision engineering.  Are they the same?

Only an idiot would say so.  

Is this like one of those double-headed trick coins? The very first pyramid, the one built by your namesake, is nothing more than a giant mastaba. The more traditional mastabas of the same period, coincidentally, start being made of stone. The collapsed pyramid of Meidum started out as a stepped pyramid. After the old kingdom, nearly all the pyramids constructed were of mud brick cased with stone. Only and idiot would fail to draw a connection.  And you still haven't answered the question.


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That really is a bridge to far for me.  Not the Egyptologists apparently.

I'm not going along with that Mr O.  There's no connection whatsoever.  Mastaba or not it still supports burial underground as the method of choice.

No support for tomb theory there.

Underground. Huh. You don't say...

http://www.bibliotec...pto_mist_2c.htm

http://s4.hubimg.com...335207_f520.jpg

http://www.guardians...BentPyramid.htm

http://www.guardians.../egypt/red2.htm

http://guardians.net...ges/Khafre3.jpg

http://www.guardians...aurePyramid.htm


I trust I don't have to highlight the salient details.

Oh yes, the comparison with Market Garden for your views is very appropriete. Everything that could go wrong for you surely has


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Nothing about the GP whatsoever points to aesthetics.  That's one thing modern investigators all agree on.

Funny, I thought they all agreed they used tura limestone for the outside because it was prettier. Almost any structure employs some aesthetics, even if it's only symmetry.

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If the copper found on the blocks in the middle chamber shafts were not electrodes what were they?  Being master of the art of stonework I'm sure they could have fashioned handles out of stone of that is what they required.  Nothing you have said here makes sense.

It still all points to a working machine.  Not a tomb.

Gantenbrink's door is only 8cm thick. How else would you put an attachment point in it without either leaving a thin fragile spot or leaving a hole in it, which defeats the purpose of sealing it in the first place? (whatever that may be) Since the shaft behind it is sealed, what would they connect too? Despite dunn's claims to the contrary, I see no openings in the intervening space.

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