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#1    hauntedinsc

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 01:45 PM

I've heard the theory from others that ghosts that's haunt the living are people who once lived but were not believers in god. I personally don't know if I believe this but was wondering what some of you all think since I've noticed a lot of posts from people that say they do not believe in god. Seems strange someone would not believe in god but believes in ghost since neither can irrevocablely be proven to exist until our time comes and we find out for sure in the afterlife. I'm personally looking forward to meeting the holy father when my time comes my husband says its not a good thing to say but its cold hard facts. Death will end my physical suffering so whats wrong with looking forward to it. And for any smart asses out there suicide is not an option I personally believe its a sin so its definately best to leave it to god I don't want to take any chances of being turned over to satan cause then id have to take over hell and turn his behind Christian :-P


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 01:55 PM

Then how do you explain the ghosts of animals?


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:03 PM

I have not seen a ghost yet.........not sure if they exist :unsure2:


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:18 PM

View PostHilander, on 16 May 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Then how do you explain the ghosts of animals?
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

I'd be very curious to hear your story about your dead pet's ghost, Hilander.  As to the question - I can see that being a reasonable view of hell.  Being forever conscious but unable to interact in any significant way with the living or the dead.  Imagine it.  It would be kind of like being in a coma or being paralyzed and inarticulate - able to observe but unable to interact.  Awful...

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  for what could be, the darkest age...

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:52 PM

You cannot connect the belief of ghosts with the belief of god.  There are too many different gods and they are all different.  Your assumption realities too heavily on a flaws



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:19 PM

My point lava is that you can't always See a ghost but they believe in them but some of the same people would argue that they don't believe in god because they do not see him physically. As for the many gods statement that's your opinion and I respect that even though I personally only believe in one God the god of the heavens and the earth.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:23 PM

Hilander I definately believe in god and ghosts but one experience I haven't had is seeing a ghost animal except on some of the ghost hunter shows on tv


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:53 PM

Damning someone to roam the earth for eternity unable to interact with it or anyone because they incorrectly thought you didn't exist seems to be an unnecessarily petty and cruel thing for God to do.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:55 PM

View Posthauntedinsc, on 16 May 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

My point lava is that you can't always See a ghost but they believe in them but some of the same people would argue that they don't believe in god because they do not see him physically
I've never heard of an atheist arguing God doesn't exist because they can't physically see him and I've read a lot of testimony from fellow atheists about why they hold their particular views on God.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:10 PM

I believe in a God but I don't believe in ghosts.  I've seen neither.

Never seen Neptune either but I believe it's there.

Guess it's just faith. :unsure2:


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:05 PM

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I've heard the theory from others that ghosts that's haunt the living are people who once lived but were not believers in god. I personally don't know if I believe this but was wondering what some of you all think since I've noticed a lot of posts from people that say they do not believe in god. Seems strange someone would not believe in god but believes in ghost since neither can irrevocablely be proven to exist until our time comes and we find out for sure in the afterlife. I'm personally looking forward to meeting the holy father when my time comes my husband says its not a good thing to say but its cold hard facts. Death will end my physical suffering so whats wrong with looking forward to it. And for any smart asses out there suicide is not an option I personally believe its a sin so its definately best to leave it to god I don't want to take any chances of being turned over to satan cause then id have to take over hell and turn his behind Christian :-P      



View Posthauntedinsc, on 16 May 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

My point lava is that you can't always See a ghost but they believe in them but some of the same people would argue that they don't believe in god because they do not see him physically. As for the many gods statement that's your opinion and I respect that even though I personally only believe in one God the god of the heavens and the earth.



First, I respect your beliefs as well, you are allowed to believe anything you want.  But, in discussing such a topic you need to be aware that that not everyone believes the same thing and that there is no one universal faith; therefore you cannot say people who believe in ghost should believe in god.

In responding to your statement, " Seems strange someone would not believe in god but believes in ghost since neither can irrevocablely be proven to exist"  This statement limits possible answers by way of assuming god and ghosts are synonymous.  Do you get my point?

If we look at your statement by way of saying, "there is only ONE god" then we would have to assume that ALL of that ONE gods rules apply.

So, now let's look at it from the ONE god POV; shall we start with Christianity?  Which sect of Christianity would you like to set the perspective from?  There are literally thousands.

We can close the gap even tighter and say let's go the Catholic route... well which Catholic POV?  There are many perspectives here too.  Some branches believe in demons and possessions.  Others do not.

Now, let's jump to a different belief system, still in the Christian school of thought; Seventh Day Adventists.  Again there are many different branches and they all have different beliefs.  The devil is in the details, to use the cliché.  The general theme is there are no such thing as ghosts.  But, there is an afterlife where the good will be resurrected after the apocalypse.  But is that really an afterlife?  Or is it more just being brought back to life?  hmm well, anyway, the point is they don't believe in ghosts at all but they are Christian.

Should we ask them, "how can you believe in god and not believe in ghosts?????"  It's in the same grain as your OP.

So, now let's look at atheists... they do not believe in a superior being or religions based on a god; but like everyone else have differing views on the details.

Are atheists being hypocritical if they believe in the concept of ghosts?  No.  Not necessarily because, like I said earlier and also in a similar post, ghosts and god are not synonymous.  That is a FACT... in certain belief systems.

Neither can be proven, as you mentioned in the OP, and to be fair, neither can be disproven.  So, if you come across an atheist who believes in and is afraid of ghosts perhaps this person is coming from an angle of belief where ghosts are merely the energy of the dead lingering.  This is an actual school of thought.

The atheist could be a subscriber to the String Theory, where multiple dimensions exist with being that live parallel lives (that is very abridged, btw).  But dimensions exist for sure, we live in 3 of them.

Anyway, my point is if you're going to ask an atheist why they believe in ghosts and don't believe in god, you have to specify which god and which religion and when you do that the answer is simply and always going to be, "I don't believe that way".   Does it make them wrong?  Absolutely not.

There is no ONE truth.


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View Postcoldethyl, on 16 May 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

I believe in a God but I don't believe in ghosts.  I've seen neither.

Never seen Neptune either but I believe it's there.

Guess it's just faith. :unsure2:

Exactly.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:07 PM

View PostArchimedes, on 16 May 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Damning someone to roam the earth for eternity unable to interact with it or anyone because they incorrectly thought you didn't exist seems to be an unnecessarily petty and cruel thing for God to do.

I agree, but which god specifically?  Even the bible has 2 conflicting parts.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:01 AM

Wow ok I totally see your point and I'm glad you posted its interesting to see the different opinions and theories of others it really gives you something to contemplate. It would be awesome to be able to communicate back and forth between realms so when one person passes they could come back to let people know whats happening on the otherside :-P ghostmail the new gmail lol I guess it would take all the mystery out of it and then what would some of us do when we get bored.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:19 AM

View Posthauntedinsc, on 17 May 2013 - 01:01 AM, said:

Wow ok I totally see your point and I'm glad you posted its interesting to see the different opinions and theories of others it really gives you something to contemplate. It would be awesome to be able to communicate back and forth between realms so when one person passes they could come back to let people know whats happening on the otherside :-P ghostmail the new gmail lol I guess it would take all the mystery out of it and then what would some of us do when we get bored.

I think you're on to something!!  Ghostmail.com!!  LOL I would totally register!

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