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Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:45 PM

I got possessed after I found my faith. It was a demon trieing to sit on god's throne, speaking thruogh me, masquarading as god like a babbling fool. His deceit (glory)  was short lived. I've heard other demons voices that sound like that of horror. The demons seem to be attracted to the faithful. I believe that you heard what you heard. A demon once told me that his job was to do evil to me. As far as corruption in the church - there is corruption in all large organizations. One can not expect them to be without sin, when we are not.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

Yeah I have another friend that had a demon try to talk to her as if it was god, he was basically trying to get her to face her fears by reproducing scenarios where she had to face evil spirits.. every night she lived in terror to the point she was walking around with the spirit of fear 24 hours a day, you could see it on her face and everything, like literally, her face was changed. Finally someone told her god wouldn't do that. God is the god of peace not of fear and then she was delivered... it was terrible for her but also short lived... she has a very strong testimony and very strong connection to god and the holy spirit she is a minister now. Thanks for sharing.. it makes sense what your saying. God is the winner though... :)

Edited by SpiritWriter, 27 January 2013 - 07:38 PM.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:35 PM

But thats not the one who got possessed when he stepped in the church. I dont know his whole story but I do know hes doing better now so thats good..

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:34 PM

God is always the winner and I'm happy for your friend.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:34 AM

View PostSeeker79, on 26 January 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

Don't know of any people that have ever either, and after years of doing it and trying to help others still no sign of possesion. In fact the only time I have ever seen 'possessed' people are on tv in churches.

I never saw anyone totally possessed either, although I've seen a bad entity attach to a person and come and go as it pleased. Person had to be in a weaken state of depression when it was able to take hold.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:59 AM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 28 January 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:



I never saw anyone totally possessed either, although I've seen a bad entity attach to a person and come and go as it pleased. Person had to be in a weaken state of depression when it was able to take hold.

And was this a result of AP? How long was it affecting the person and are they delivered now? When you say come and go what do you mean?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:10 AM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 28 January 2013 - 03:59 AM, said:

And was this a result of AP? How long was it affecting the person and are they delivered now? When you say come and go what do you mean?

I only saw one person who sleep walked, he never tried to AP but it was linked to when he was dreaming of his last moments in a previous incarnation while dreaming of being killed and it was very real of dream to him. Only sleep walked and went through fighting motions then  woke up after he is killed in the battle. It happened all his life.

Very weird to watch and hear a different voice and dialect from someone asleep with eyes open doing that and it was like you were watching the effects of an invisible man really attacking him from behind because  his body reacting to it like a real event and eventually falling in death!  He doesn't sleep walk any more since he reconciled to believing in the past life. He doesn't believe AP because he never experienced it or even wanted to try it. He thinks astral projection is mostly BS or the ones that really can do it  controllably are not all human.

His trauma became all too real for me when I saw the male entity and described him. It was the man who he killed and was killed by him in the dream battle.  We saw a red orb that would make the room cold every so often. Then once the room grew cold and I saw the red orb enter his head while he was peacefully asleep.  He started going into the nightmare state instantly.  I knew it was real not just his illusion and this orb was his attacker! This entity was not at peace and followed him with a vengence.I lit candles, prayed to God for strength and asked for angelic help of Michael.

It went on for hours but he wasn't going into the fight and sleep walk. The entity wouldn't come out until I told it to take ME instead because the man  was ignorant of the crime he did- he was just following orders as a soldier!  It was tormented and others had followed it to the fight.

It's hard to describe but I knew I could cancel the hate with love and mercy. I sent thoughts of only Divine Love and Forgiveness to the entity.   I told it he was missing so much and creating a hell for himself and the others, go to the Light and not curse his soul or yours any longer. It told me that the man was evil and he would take me to hell with him. I told it that it became evil itself because of revenge and it answered he only fought for his people's honor against the murderers. I told the entity that he had proved his honor and then  I  COMMANDED it never to return and go in peace and love. I  told it that I will deal with your enemy, leave us and never return!  The orb came out and was above both of us,  it  changed to a white cloud and burst with a pop and a flash and then water fell on us.  He awoke just before the orb burst into water.  He said, you fought my demon!  I told him I sent it away with the help of God's Love.

It never came back to him and he believes that God sent me to him even though he didn't deserve to be helped. He believes in God and angels now not just ghosts :)

Edited by White Unicorn, 28 January 2013 - 05:11 AM.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:59 AM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 28 January 2013 - 05:10 AM, said:



I only saw one person who sleep walked, he never tried to AP but it was linked to when he was dreaming of his last moments in a previous incarnation while dreaming of being killed and it was very real of dream to him. Only sleep walked and went through fighting motions then  woke up after he is killed in the battle. It happened all his life.

Very weird to watch and hear a different voice and dialect from someone asleep with eyes open doing that and it was like you were watching the effects of an invisible man really attacking him from behind because  his body reacting to it like a real event and eventually falling in death!  He doesn't sleep walk any more since he reconciled to believing in the past life. He doesn't believe AP because he never experienced it or even wanted to try it. He thinks astral projection is mostly BS or the ones that really can do it  controllably are not all human.

His trauma became all too real for me when I saw the male entity and described him. It was the man who he killed and was killed by him in the dream battle.  We saw a red orb that would make the room cold every so often. Then once the room grew cold and I saw the red orb enter his head while he was peacefully asleep.  He started going into the nightmare state instantly.  I knew it was real not just his illusion and this orb was his attacker! This entity was not at peace and followed him with a vengence.I lit candles, prayed to God for strength and asked for angelic help of Michael.

It went on for hours but he wasn't going into the fight and sleep walk. The entity wouldn't come out until I told it to take ME instead because the man  was ignorant of the crime he did- he was just following orders as a soldier!  It was tormented and others had followed it to the fight.

It's hard to describe but I knew I could cancel the hate with love and mercy. I sent thoughts of only Divine Love and Forgiveness to the entity.   I told it he was missing so much and creating a hell for himself and the others, go to the Light and not curse his soul or yours any longer. It told me that the man was evil and he would take me to hell with him. I told it that it became evil itself because of revenge and it answered he only fought for his people's honor against the murderers. I told the entity that he had proved his honor and then  I  COMMANDED it never to return and go in peace and love. I  told it that I will deal with your enemy, leave us and never return!  The orb came out and was above both of us,  it  changed to a white cloud and burst with a pop and a flash and then water fell on us.  He awoke just before the orb burst into water.  He said, you fought my demon!  I told him I sent it away with the help of God's Love.

It never came back to him and he believes that God sent me to him even though he didn't deserve to be helped. He believes in God and angels now not just ghosts :)

Amen what a truly remarkable story. Thank you so much for sharing this with me. It encourages me to stay on the path and fight the good fight! bless you. :)

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:05 AM

It is truly remarkable how you consoled the spirit as well.. nice work unicorn thanks again, this gives me something to deeply consider...

Edited by SpiritWriter, 28 January 2013 - 07:06 AM.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:08 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 26 January 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

Seeker there are devils that haunt people and posess them. I dont know if you've paid attention to any of my testimony but I was telling the truth despite your opinion or interpretation of why or how it happens... I wasn't lying about anything I said and I know others who have endured it. Demons can come out of that spirit world and into ours. More than just on tv.. tv is based on true events though they may be exagerated etc...

But I know you are speaking from "your" experience, so that is valid enough. But please dont disreguard other's experiences. It does happen and to be honest I would assume delving in the spiritual realms would open up these gateways. I feel its ironic that I was able to move my astral arms out of my body and also that the spirit tried to possess my arms first before my actual body... very odd indeed.

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Seeker... all respect, I do appreciate your contributions and experience..

Oh and btw I tried to go back and finish reading about your dream but the link just took me to the main blogs.. I'll try again later maybe it was just a little screwy at the time. I never got a chance to read it all.

P.s. 99% of all the demonic experiences I encountered was before I ever joined any church so it isnt indoctrinated fear just encase thats what you were thinking. I was delivered from this BY GOD and thats why I believe.. not the other way around if you can feel what im trying to say..

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I have never astral projected, however I have had several incidents of sleep paralysis as well as minor politergiest activity  for a while, eventually through a combination of prayer and strange as it may sound, sleeping with a bible underneath my pillow, the activity ceased or at least declined to such an extent that I did not notice it anymore. Now I have close friend who claims to have gotten involved in the occult when he was younger and he speaks of being forced outside of his body by spirits, however I admit that his accounts are suspect due to him being mentally ill. Nevertheless I have also read the accounts of other's who have dabbled in the art of AP and they report similar problems such as demons and other beings attacking them.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:15 PM

View PostBlueogre2, on 28 January 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

I have never astral projected, however I have had several incidents of sleep paralysis as well as minor politergiest activity  for a while, eventually through a combination of prayer and strange as it may sound, sleeping with a bible underneath my pillow, the activity ceased or at least declined to such an extent that I did not notice it anymore. Now I have close friend who claims to have gotten involved in the occult when he was younger and he speaks of being forced outside of his body by spirits, however I admit that his accounts are suspect due to him being mentally ill. Nevertheless I have also read the accounts of other's who have dabbled in the art of AP and they report similar problems such as demons and other beings attacking them.

Demonic accounts and "mental illness" sometimes go hand in hand...

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 28 January 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Demonic accounts and "mental illness" sometimes go hand in hand...
True, but I have read enough to know that regardless of rather my friend was right about his experiences these things do happen to people who get involved in the occult.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:50 AM

View PostBlueogre2, on 28 January 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

True, but I have read enough to know that regardless of rather my friend was right about his experiences these things do happen to people who get involved in the occult.

And I know enough about the spiritual that your friend probably did go through what he claims unless his mental illness is lying... people with so called mental illnesses have higher perceptions to the spirit realm and perhaps because of thier weakness can become victim of attack. I am sorry he has to suffer this I hope it has eased up for him and I hope you keep him in prayer.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:23 AM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 28 January 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

It is truly remarkable how you consoled the spirit as well.. nice work unicorn thanks again, this gives me something to deeply consider...

I never thought I'd share that story, but I know you are discovering those sort of things and thought it may help you.

When the spirit came into to me,  I was taken into another reality a lower level of astral realms that's more connected to lucid dreaming states.  I became one with it and that was a very traumatic and I really didn't know what I was doing except that I wanted to release it from it's bondage and free it's victim. That's when I discovered he was an honorable spirit who was the leader hundreds that were senselessly killed in battle and still leading some. I didn't see or hear any angels to help or guide me except I instinctively knew how to handle it at one moment and felt a power come to me.  I felt like I was alone begging the Highest God for guidance on how to succeed and please grant me the power of his strongest angels to help me and I was able to command it with 100% belief.

After it was over I was drained for a long time, my protection seemed to be gone. It was the most horrible experience I ever lived through. I thought what if it weren't an honorable soul deep down, would I have also become haughted by it and it's followers?  I did learn that just as in science, spiritual energy is just transformed never really destroyed.  Positive always can cancel out the negative. It projected hate and revenge and visions,  I just knew I had to project love and forgiveness. When I first started to do that it became more strong and angry and gathering others, just like an atheist would object to gettting baptised by force by a hell fire preacher I'd imagine!  No matter how it lashed out I kept saying I forgive you and love you and God loves you, eventually I felt the strength to be able command it away.  I had God's permission.

I'm not a really religious but I've been a sensitive all my life and there's no way you can just shut it off. You have to learn to make the best of it, since it was given to you to use for a reason.  I realize that now.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:05 AM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 29 January 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:



I never thought I'd share that story, but I know you are discovering those sort of things and thought it may help you.

When the spirit came into to me,  I was taken into another reality a lower level of astral realms that's more connected to lucid dreaming states.  I became one with it and that was a very traumatic and I really didn't know what I was doing except that I wanted to release it from it's bondage and free it's victim. That's when I discovered he was an honorable spirit who was the leader hundreds that were senselessly killed in battle and still leading some. I didn't see or hear any angels to help or guide me except I instinctively knew how to handle it at one moment and felt a power come to me.  I felt like I was alone begging the Highest God for guidance on how to succeed and please grant me the power of his strongest angels to help me and I was able to command it with 100% belief.

After it was over I was drained for a long time, my protection seemed to be gone. It was the most horrible experience I ever lived through. I thought what if it weren't an honorable soul deep down, would I have also become haughted by it and it's followers?  I did learn that just as in science, spiritual energy is just transformed never really destroyed.  Positive always can cancel out the negative. It projected hate and revenge and visions,  I just knew I had to project love and forgiveness. When I first started to do that it became more strong and angry and gathering others, just like an atheist would object to gettting baptised by force by a hell fire preacher I'd imagine!  No matter how it lashed out I kept saying I forgive you and love you and God loves you, eventually I felt the strength to be able command it away.  I had God's permission.

I'm not a really religious but I've been a sensitive all my life and there's no way you can just shut it off. You have to learn to make the best of it, since it was given to you to use for a reason.  I realize that now.

Well I really appreciate you sharing it with me. I might inbox you later another time I have some ideas about it and I understand what you mean about not really having control, that you just 'knew' what to do, or it was 'automatic'. I am serious, thanks for sharing...

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