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#31    GreenmansGod

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:37 PM

Someone is going to have to explain to me why and how gay and lesbian marriage is going to undermine society.  I think the only thing that undermines society is the discrimination of those who are of different gender identity.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:37 PM

View Postthe L, on 23 December 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

We have freedom of speech. Its forum. Alternative one. So whats alternative in one state in other is law. And otherway around.
Not saying that I support his view (?) but he has right to say so.

And, since we have freedom of speech, I can also call him out on his idiotic views. Or is that freedom only one way?

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:39 PM

View PostGravitorbox, on 23 December 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

1. That doesn't change the fact that a same sex couple can never have children, so the principle of male + female makes infinitely more sense.

2. In the past when it was more defined people would not get married if they did not plan to have children.


Actually, you are quite wrong. People have sex to have children. Historically speaking marriage has always been a contract between 2 parties with negotiated settlements i.e. a dowry.

Children are only one of many reasons people get married - financial (gain, security) emotional (love) society (obligation) religious.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:39 PM

View PostDarkwind, on 23 December 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

Someone is going to have to explain to me why and how gay and lesbian marriage is going to undermine society.  I think the only thing that undermines society is the discrimination of those who are of different gender identity.

Exactly! The way some people act it's like they seem to think legalising same sex marriage means that hetrosexual marriage is suddenly illegal and same sex marriage is mandatory.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:42 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 23 December 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:



But what about example of woman and dog. They love each other. Very much.
I mean , maybe its just me, already see Dog parade. So where is border? Or we push border as we advanced. Did progress move borders? Doubt that because Gay existed before Church or encyclopedias.

So just want to developed conversation here. Where is border?

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:44 PM

View PostDaughter of the Nine Moons, on 23 December 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Children are only one of many reasons people get married - financial (gain, security) emotional (love) society (obligation) religious.

However they are most valuble reason.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:47 PM

View Postthe L, on 23 December 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

But what about example of woman and dog. They love each other. Very much.
I mean , maybe its just me, already see Dog parade. So where is border? Or we push border as we advanced. Did progress move borders? Doubt that because Gay existed before Church or encyclopedias.

So just want to developed conversation here. Where is border?
Between species maybe?

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:47 PM

View Postthe L, on 23 December 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

But what about example of woman and dog. They love each other. Very much.
I mean , maybe its just me, already see Dog parade. So where is border? Or we push border as we advanced. Did progress move borders? Doubt that because Gay existed before Church or encyclopedias.

So just want to developed conversation here. Where is border?

Personally, the border to me should be that marriage is between consenting adults. Animals since they can't consent can't marry and since children are too young to give consent they shouldn't either.

I think the most important thing is the consenting part. The gender (or number) of adults involved shouldn't be the issue.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:48 PM

View Postthe L, on 23 December 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

However they are most valuble reason.

I disagree, children are valuable on their own. Marriage not required

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:49 PM

View PostDaughter of the Nine Moons, on 23 December 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Between species maybe?

But you do realize that Biologists have problem defining what spicies mean?
Its term we invented. And love doenst know what spicies mean. Explain that to woman who is in love with her dog. And dog is obviously loving her.
We have also historical evidences that was something what also happened trough our history.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:50 PM

View PostDaughter of the Nine Moons, on 23 December 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

I disagree, children are valuable on their own. Marriage not required

And also marrying/staying married for the kids can be a terrible reason to do so and make them worse off.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
Where are those droideka?
No one can tell you who you are
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"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:51 PM

View Postthe L, on 23 December 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

But you do realize that Biologists have problem defining what spicies mean?
Its term we invented. And love doenst know what spicies mean. Explain that to woman who is in love with her dog. And dog is obviously loving her.
We have also historical evidences that was something what also happened trough our history.

Are you being serious?

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:52 PM

View PostDaughter of the Nine Moons, on 23 December 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

I disagree, children are valuable on their own. Marriage not required

On that I disagree. Children need both parrents. But thats my personal view.

View PostDaughter of the Nine Moons, on 23 December 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

Are you being serious?

Ofcourse.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:57 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 23 December 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Personally, the border to me should be that marriage is between consenting adults. Animals since they can't consent can't marry and since children are too young to give consent they shouldn't either.

I think the most important thing is the consenting part. The gender (or number) of adults involved shouldn't be the issue.

Yes but age border is set by humans. Some people are not mature in 30s.
Also what about animal new research which show that animals have consciousness.

Daughter of the Nine Moon said that one of the reason for marriage can be emotions. I see that animal can have feelings. So do humans.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:59 PM

Daughter of the Nine Moon, here it is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia

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