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#61    TheMacGuffin

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:58 AM

View Post1963, on 27 October 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Yes indeed MacGuffin, ...it appears that you are most probably right about there being more to James Oberg than him being just  merely 'another debunker'!
And also it seems abundantly clear that the CSICOP organisation ( later renamed CSI ) that he co-founded has clear indications of being no more than a governmental disinformation operation!...Therefore suggesting that anything [no matter how assertively plausible] that Mr Oberg, and anyone else connected with that particular organisation says to explain or debunk any testimony or anomalous event, should be treated with 'utmost suspicion', or ignored altogether!

Of course these comments will be jeered and profoundly-derided by James's disciples on the forum...but then that's par for the course with these wannabe-debunkers that have had their heads turned by the soundly-scientific presentations  of Oberg's explanations "opinions" of the identity of an anomalous sighting!
But if his fanatical supporters that are quick to vituperously leap to his defence did any actual "research" of their own into the subject that they were actually defending...then they might just pause a little before wading in!...But then again..?...knowing the modus operandi of these characters...perhaps not!

There are a plethora of accusations of 'disinformation-agent' against him around the websites, from some quite believable accusers ,...and  though i'm sure that not every stone thrown at him will be justified...but  Here are a couple of mighty suggestive links to Robert Hastings articles in which he makes it abundantly clear that 'good ol' Jimmy Oberg' and his cohorts at CSI have some 'less than transparent motivations' for debunking all manner of otherwise truly anomalous phenomena into a seemingly general misidentification of some prosaic objects   !




I have caught Oberg on here telling the most blatant lies, which is why you just have to keep kicking him in the teeth whenever he does it.

He'll never admit he was wrong, but just tries to keep attacking and diverting attention away from it.  Naturally the rest of the "skeptical" team and junior wanna-be's on here will join in with him immediately, not matter what outrageous things he says.


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 01:02 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 28 October 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

I have caught Oberg on here telling the most blatant lies, which is why you just have to keep kicking him in the teeth whenever he does it.

He'll never admit he was wrong, but just tries to keep attacking and diverting attention away from it.  Naturally the rest of the "skeptical" team and junior wanna-be's on here will join in with him immediately, not matter what outrageous things he says.

You are just making yourself look bad McG.  You are describing yourself, not James Oberg.  It's as blatant as the nose on your face.  Only the blind can't see it.

Very sad.

Zero integrity.


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 01:04 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 28 October 2012 - 01:02 AM, said:


Zero integrity.


No, that's you, Boon.

All you ever do on here is try to pick a fight with me, and I hold you in total contempt for it.


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 01:37 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 28 October 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

No, that's you, Boon.

All you ever do on here is try to pick a fight with me, and I hold you in total contempt for it.

More accusations where there should be apologies and admissions of your own incorrect conduct.  It really is sad McG.

I do want you to know that despite your transgressions, of which there are many, I still genuinely like you and I appreciate the value that you bring.  I just wish that you could find it within yourself to defend your own credibility by admitting your own errors.  It does nothing to me or my credibility, but I still can't help but wish that you would take the high road when you are backed into a corner.  And make no mistake, you are currently backed into a corner.

It is your choice how to respond to that.

One possible route can paint you in a good light.

The route you've chosen so far does not...


The decision and resulting ramifications are completely on your shoulders.  I wash my hands of it for now.


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:07 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 28 October 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

More accusations where there should be apologies and admissions of your own incorrect conduct.  It really is sad McG.

I do want you to know that despite your transgressions, of which there are many, I still genuinely like you and I appreciate the value that you bring.  I just wish that you could find it within yourself to defend your own credibility by admitting your own errors.  It does nothing to me or my credibility, but I still can't help but wish that you would take the high road when you are backed into a corner.  And make no mistake, you are currently backed into a corner.

It is your choice how to respond to that.

One possible route can paint you in a good light.

The route you've chosen so far does not...


The decision and resulting ramifications are completely on your shoulders.  I wash my hands of it for now.


You say the exact same things every single time you disagree with me, just like a broken record.


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:08 AM

I mean what's the big deal?  I caught Oberg lying about Gordon Cooper and the "skeptics" have gone nuts.  They really pile on when something like that happens, try to pull every trick in the book.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:39 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 28 October 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

I mean what's the big deal?  I caught Oberg lying about Gordon Cooper and the "skeptics" have gone nuts.  They really pile on when something like that happens, try to pull every trick in the book.

The big deal is that you didn't catch Oberg lying about anything at all and yet you insist on continuing to claim that you have.  At first I thought this was sad, but this isn't just sad anymore.

It's pathetic.


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 03:51 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 28 October 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

I mean what's the big deal?  I caught Oberg lying about Gordon Cooper and the "skeptics" have gone nuts.

No you didn't. Only in your imagination, as has been pointed out to you.

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They really pile on when something like that happens, try to pull every trick in the book.

Nope. What skeptics have done so far is pointing out, demonstrably, why you are in error. That you wish to continue parading your inability to grasp this is mind-boggling.  

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 04:21 AM

View Postbadeskov, on 28 October 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

No you didn't. Only in your imagination, as has been pointed out to you.

Nope. What skeptics have done so far is pointing out, demonstrably, why you are in error. That you wish to continue parading your inability to grasp this is mind-boggling.  


You are all just trying to cover for Oberg and divert attention from all the lies he was telling.

I admit that I do enjoy it when you people go nuts like this.  You bend over backwards to cover for your own.

View PostbooNyzarC, on 28 October 2012 - 02:39 AM, said:

The big deal is that you didn't catch Oberg lying about anything at all and yet you insist on continuing to claim that you have.  At first I thought this was sad, but this isn't just sad anymore.

It's pathetic.

Look at how how they're freaking out tonight!


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:09 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 28 October 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

I have caught Oberg on here telling the most blatant lies
No, you haven't.  Which is why you won't link to examples.

But right HERE (yes, I'm CITING my claim), I've gone into detail on a recent example of YOUR lies.

Why did you falsely claim that no planets were visible that night?  After all, the link you supplied contradicted you.  And then you refused to admit your 'error'.

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He'll never admit he was wrong
Oh the IRONY!

When will YOU admit you were completely wrong about Jupiter being visible on July 17 2008?  And when will you explain how you could possibly claim otherwise when your own reference was very clear?

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:22 PM

View PostChrlzs, on 28 October 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

No, you haven't.  Which is why you won't link to examples.

But right HERE (yes, I'm CITING my claim), I've gone into detail on a recent example of YOUR lies.

Why did you falsely claim that no planets were visible that night?  After all, the link you supplied contradicted you.  And then you refused to admit your 'error'.


Oh the IRONY!

When will YOU admit you were completely wrong about Jupiter being visible on July 17 2008?  And when will you explain how you could possibly claim otherwise when your own reference was very clear?


It should be clear enough by now that these boys are just here to do a hatchet job on Gordon Cooper, and of course on me, since I caught Oberg in some outright lies--again.


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 03:30 PM

Ok ADMINS should do their work abit better because this isn't a debate this is warzone...in every thread, well almost .. Last 3 pages of this tread that i red was nothing more than flaming each other...and no information regarding the thread at hand!

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 03:37 PM

To test the credibility of Cooper's story, I recommend comparing it to the results of the research of James McDonald, as detailed in his 1968 Congressional testimony. It would be more effective if it were first done by somebody defending Cooper's credibility. Any volunteers?

What was the observed flight path of the UFO?

Who were the witnesses? What was Cooper's role?

What was the disposition of the recordings/images?

Simple stuff, but conflicting versions.


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 03:46 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 28 October 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

Ok ADMINS should do their work abit better because this isn't a debate this is warzone...in every thread, well almost .. Last 3 pages of this tread that i red was nothing more than flaming each other...and no information regarding the thread at hand!

I agree with you Nuke_em.

The unfortunate reality is that it has devolved into a character debate, as attempted discussions with McG often do.  It is an effective tactic and one which he falls back on whenever he is cornered.

Of course it is just a smoke screen that he tries to use in order to deflect away from his own mistakes and errors.  Some people fall for it too.

Personally, I'm quite tired of it and I have been for a very long time now.


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 03:51 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 28 October 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

It should be clear enough by now that these boys are just here to do a hatchet job on Gordon Cooper, and of course on me, since I caught Oberg in some outright lies--again.

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