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Posted 30 September 2012 - 08:16 PM

View PostAlienated Being, on 30 September 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

I attribute that to hallucination. In fact, that reminds me of an event that occurred to me years ago. I went to bed one night, and had a dream of a nurse telling me that I was "becoming very sick; the sickness occurred over night." The following morning, I woke up as sick as a dog, and was admitted to the hospital. Do I attribute this to any divine being, or paranormal/supernatural experience? No. Not at all. I believe that the mind/body relationship is a very powerful thing.


Do you honestly expect me to believe you? You should ask "god" for $1 Million to donate to charity. That is a great reason to be given $1 Million dollars so, assuming your god is real, he should have no problem with giving you that amount. He is, after all, the creator of all things.

When you receive the money, I'd like you to make a video of you as you count all of the money that has been given to you.

Also, what disturbs me is how you think "god" would give you, a mere mortal, $1000 to satisfy a personal need, when there are people begging for their lives in intensive care units. You are deluding yourself if you truly believe that "god" favours you over a dying cancer patient.


"God" is not mundane at all. "God" is simply a mythological construct designed to create order, prevent overpopulation and blanket the concept of death. In doing so, great disorder and misconduct has been created. I am honestly highly encouraging you to consult a therapist. And, I am NOT joking.

I wouldn't attribute it to a divine being either just your subconscious linking in a way for you to comprehend a message. This was a facade created for you to understand.

I don't believe this unifying power favors anyone it is more like a gift to those coming closer to the truth of a mystery and connecting with it somehow. Proving to skeptics who never experienced anything unexplainable in reason,  doesn't matter and brings vanity which takes away the gifts because they would be working against the source itself by doing that.

Personal confirmed experience is really the only evidence which always leads to some kind of belief, right or wrong. I may believe you are wrong but I am not going to try to change your belief.  There is more than one path that leads to the same destination but sceptics tend to want to destroy the paths of others. Sharing it with others who've had their own wierd experiences is what really matters so we can discover more about the scheme of things.  

The people who experience the unexplainable are the people who are just connecting to a source,  for whatever reason or how is a mystery in itself and there's nothing really special about people themselves. This force can be harnessed for different effects both good or evil, conscious or subconsciously.  That's why religions developed their good and evil dogmas, true or not.  The word God is just another way of saying "this is my name for my own personal theory of everything" do I understand all the facets? of course not unless I am connected to the source when asked that.

Sceptics questioning the reality of things are really being helpful to those people who they riducule because the riduculed may be able discover a misconception that they developed their on their part by trying to understand the cause of an effect.  All I try to bring to the sceptics is an open mind to discover for themselves the more out there that does exist.


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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:53 PM

View PostAlienated Being, on 30 September 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

I attribute that to hallucination. In fact, that reminds me of an event that occurred to me years ago. I went to bed one night, and had a dream of a nurse telling me that I was "becoming very sick; the sickness occurred over night." The following morning, I woke up as sick as a dog, and was admitted to the hospital. Do I attribute this to any divine being, or paranormal/supernatural experience? No. Not at all. I believe that the mind/body relationship is a very powerful thing.


Do you honestly expect me to believe you? You should ask "god" for $1 Million to donate to charity. That is a great reason to be given $1 Million dollars so, assuming your god is real, he should have no problem with giving you that amount. He is, after all, the creator of all things.

When you receive the money, I'd like you to make a video of you as you count all of the money that has been given to you.

Also, what disturbs me is how you think "god" would give you, a mere mortal, $1000 to satisfy a personal need, when there are people begging for their lives in intensive care units. You are deluding yourself if you truly believe that "god" favours you over a dying cancer patient.


"God" is not mundane at all. "God" is simply a mythological construct designed to create order, prevent overpopulation and blanket the concept of death. In doing so, great disorder and misconduct has been created. I am honestly highly encouraging you to consult a therapist. And, I am NOT joking.
HAllucinations are where one person's mind is out of sync with ordinary common reality. They are caused by biochemical or psychological causes There is a disconnect between what a person perceives /understands to be real, and what is real.

  My experiences are of/within, a common shared reality. They are not in my mind or unreal. Of course, as with all worldy things I experience, a part of them occurs within my mind .That is true for all humans, in every experience  A person can encounter a tiger and feel fear, or wonder, or joy. The tiger is common, the responses are individual.

Why should i ask god for a million dollars ? I have more than i need and i help hundreds of people with what i have already. It is not part of my relationship with god (at least as yet) to make millions of dollars and give it away. If god decides that would be beneficial, then he will make it so. Perhaps god knows that, being human, a million dollars might change me and tempt me in ways that would be harmful. Perhaps I would end up becoming selfish, and doing less good than I do now. In the end all my wifes and my assets will go to people more needy than us. In the meantime I invest those assets to raise capital to give to others.

Of course i dont expect you to believe me. I am merely explaining a fact of my life which provides rationale for my understandings of life and nature. You dont need a video. There are plenty of witnesses for most occasions. In fact it once reached the stage where   it was becoming so obvious in my community winning/finding money that i had to stop for a while.

God is not helping me OVER a cancer patient. He helps them too I donate a lot of money to cancer research heart disease and childrens charities I can only do this because god has so enriched me. Ps my wife and I also give a lot of money to animal welfare /rights, and ecological movements too. Stewardship involves caring for all the planet, not just humans

He helped me through a triple by pass heart operation sending an angel to comfort me and give me a bible in hospital. And god helps me (i believe) first because i accept and understand his gifts, and second because i use them to help others.  I dont need what god gives me.  I am one of the richest and luckiest humans on this planet, statistically, but i can give it to others to help them live/be fed, get educated, not have to become sex or slave workers etc.   I dont understand it all, but I can see the logic in this. I am currenlty doing my last two years income taxes. I was just adding up our donations to charities in that time.  In essence in my working life of 40 plus years i have probably given away /shared more than a million dollars around the world and locally. That is nothing to be proud of. Everything i have is gods and so, as all humans are my family, it is only right to do what i can for them. Despite everything i have given away, I have a house, a car, food ,clothing etc.

I have all my physical needs and am provided with all my human needs of love companionship, family, and a sense of purpose. I will support my wife and i in our old age without dependence on the govt or on others and i will leave what we held during our life time to be shared among many others when we are dead. I believ I have been a good steward of waht god has given me through circumstance, and through my relationship with him.
This principle is explained in many biblical stories and parables. It is established wisdom in many faiths and beliefs.

Ps. I know people whom god told they would be cured of terminal cancer and who subsequently were.  God saves lives and helps people all the time, every day, every where. Not just christians but atheists buddhist gaeans.

  We are ALL a part of god like it or not. He is an equal opportunity employer. Of course those unaware of god and unable to communicate with him may not recognise his presence or help. And some just have to accept it in faith without a full appreciation of their relationship with god.

But if more humans understood their relationship with god in the western world, then all starvation and most poverty etc could be eliminated in this world in a very short time span. The world would cease being raped of resources for our toys and entertainment, and we would establish a long term sustainable and equitable ecology on earth. We would all be a heck of a lot happier, less depressed, and saner.

You are wrong about god. your belief is wrong. God is real and powerful. But dont concern yourself about it . This realisation has to come from within . If you are not ready for it, then it wont happen. Thats part of the deal.

ps I am one of the few posters on UM certifiably sane. WHen I first encountered god, and circumstances made it clear who and what I was encounternig of course i had my self checked out.
Both neurologiclaly and psychologically, by some of the top specialists in Australia (and thus in the world) And i continue to have the best scans available on a regular basis

Their conclusions? Physiologically /neurologically completely healthy. Psychologically, completely healthy. Not just that but "highly functional, very lucid, and grounded in reality."

A couple of the experts explained it to me like this. They dont understand the nature of the experiences but they are familiar with them through people who come to them. They have open minds and study the contextual relationships, within the experiences, the logic and common sense of those being spoken to. They do whole batteries of tests via formal interviews and discusssions. Some people are obviously deluded, hallucinatory and even "insane".

Others have encountered something that most people do not. But no professional expert will say this is impossible, simply that it is beyond their own experiences and area of professional expertise. (Except that in one or two cases it is not. Even medical experts  sometimes have real encounters with the "supernatural " That makes them more open minded.)

Edited by Mr Walker, 01 October 2012 - 12:12 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 12:31 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 30 September 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

HAllucinations are where one person's mind is out of sync with ordinary common reality. They are caused by biochemical or psychological causes There is a disconnect between what a person perceives /understands to be real, and what is real.
Exactly, and what you are experiencing is what you perceive to be real; not what is actually real. You attribute these occurrences to a divine being.

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My experiences are of/within, a common shared reality. They are not in my mind or unreal. Of course, as with all worldy things I experience, a part of them occurs within my mind .That is true for all humans, in every experience  A person can encounter a tiger and feel fear, or wonder, or joy. The tiger is common, the responses are individual.
No, these experiences are in your mind. And, while they may not be unreal, they most certainly do not point to the intervention of a creator. I am sorry to say.

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Why should i ask god for a million dollars ? I have more than i need and i help hundreds of people with what i have already. It is not part of my relationship with god (at least as yet) to make millions of dollars and give it away. If god decides that would be beneficial, then he will make it so. Perhaps god knows that, being human, a million dollars might change me and tempt me in ways that would be harmful. Perhaps I would end up becoming selfish, and doing less good than I do now. In the end all my wifes and my assets will go to people more needy than us. In the meantime I invest those assets to raise capital to give to others.
I really do not think that an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent deity would give a hoot as to what one individual out of a seemingly-endless number of planets is tempted by, or what they would do with the money. I really, and honestly think you are a nut job.

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Of course i dont expect you to believe me.
I don't.

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I am merely explaining a fact of my life which provides rationale for my understandings of life and nature. You dont need a video. There are plenty of witnesses for most occasions. In fact it once reached the stage where   it was becoming so obvious in my community winning/finding money that i had to stop for a while.
I do need a video, because you are making these extraordinary claims... and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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God is not helping me OVER a cancer patient. He helps them too I donate a lot of money to cancer research heart disease and childrens charities I can only do this because god has so enriched me. Ps my wife and I also give a lot of money to animal welfare /rights, and ecological movements too. Stewardship involves caring for all the planet, not just humans
God is not helping cancer patients at all, as he is what created cancer to begin with. In essence, he is the reason as to why they have cancer. He purportedly sent Jesus to our planet to cure the blind, however.. he could not cure blindness? He helps those who are suffering from cancer, yet can not fully eradicate cancer in itself? Why would he help specific individuals suffering from cancer, and not just completely eliminate such needless suffering? I am assuming you are going to retort with some pseudo-logic in order to justify how "God has his reasons". Typical Christian fundamentalist mumbo-jumbo.

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He helped me through a triple by pass heart operation sending an angel to comfort me and give me a bible in hospital. And god helps me (i believe) first because i accept and understand his gifts, and second because i use them to help others.  I dont need what god gives me.  I am one of the richest and luckiest humans on this planet, statistically, but i can give it to others to help them live/be fed, get educated, not have to become sex or slave workers etc.   I dont understand it all, but I can see the logic in this. I am currenlty doing my last two years income taxes. I was just adding up our donations to charities in that time.  In essence in my working life of 40 plus years i have probably given away /shared more than a million dollars around the world and locally. That is nothing to be proud of. Everything i have is gods and so, as all humans are my family, it is only right to do what i can for them. Despite everything i have given away, I have a house, a car, food ,clothing etc.
What about those who help/accept his "gifts", yet are subjected to needless suffering, such as cancer? What about those who died in 9/11, who had families to go home to, but never made it home? And you are trying to tell me that "god" is giving you money to donate to charities, however.. he allowed a building to collapse on many individuals, killing them? He allowed such atrocities such as the holocaust to occur, yet he gives you a petty $1000 for a personal "need"?

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Ps. I know people whom god told they would be cured of terminal cancer and who subsequently were.  God saves lives and helps people all the time, every day, every where. Not just christians but atheists buddhist gaeans.
What about those who were told by god that they would be cured, and subsequently WERE NOT?

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You are wrong about god. your belief is wrong. God is real and powerful. But dont concern yourself about it . This realisation has to come from within . If you are not ready for it, then it wont happen. Thats part of the deal.
Yes, I imagine so. I assume you must have been ready for it? What is so special about you?

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ps I am one of the few posters on UM certifiably sane. WHen I first encountered god, and circumstances made it clear who and what I was encounternig of course i had my self checked out.
Both neurologiclaly and psychologically, by some of the top specialists in Australia (and thus in the world) And i continue to have the best scans available on a regular basis
Clearly you have not sought therapy to the extent that you should have.

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Their conclusions? Physiologically /neurologically completely healthy. Psychologically, completely healthy. Not just that but "highly functional, very lucid, and grounded in reality."
LOL!

With all due respect, the more I read your responses in an attempt to justify "god's" existence, the more I realize how insane you really are. You are one of those deluded, hallucinatory and insane individuals. I am sorry to say.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 01:01 AM

View PostAlienated Being, on 29 September 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

It is not a put-down. I simply do not believe that any self-respecting individual can possibly subject themselves to such fantastical beliefs.


If this "god" character that you speak of exists in the same realm as your wife and your dog, then perhaps may I suggest seeking counseling? Honestly. I am not trying to belittle you and denigrate you in any way, shape or form... but if this being is as physical as you are claiming, then perhaps a psyche evaluation is in need.


Well, that depends - if you don't want to appear as a fool, then evidence most-definitely is required. You cannot say that he is as real as you and me, then turn around and provide not a shred of evidence for it. That equates to me saying "I have a daily conversation with a unicorn, and it is as real as you and me; however, I do not have any transferable evidence to reinforce my claims."

Before you turn around and say that "God" and unicorns are not the same, yes they are - both have dedicated communities, both have people who worship them, both have communities that claim to have felt the presence of these things. There is no difference, in terms of the belief involved.


Self-evidently real... to you, apparently. As I said, if these beings are as real as you say they are to you, you need to seek psychiatric evaluation.


Clearly your sanity is the least of your concerns, my friend.


If the evidences for god are physical, then explain to me why no empirical evidence exists to reinforce its physicality?


This appears to be the result of schizophrenia, my friend.


As I said, if god is so physical and mundane, how come there has never been any conclusive scientific research the show that god exists? Anything that is physical can be measured, so why has it not been measured?..


Okay, well... what about Zeus, Apollo, Gaia? Do those gods exist? Can they exist, or do you just believe in one god? If only one god, then how come only that one god? Why can you not believe in other gods?


No, this "god" does not enjoy teaching you anything - it is what you learn as a part of your personal experiences with the physical, natural realm... not from trials that are purportedly given to you by "god".



No, "god" is a fairy tale - period. I think you should take my advice, and seek counseling. If anybody were to come to you and say that a 20-foot lizard that only they could see was providing them with all of the experiences that you are saying that "God" is providing you with, you would tell them to do the exact same thing.

When they are real they are neither fantastical, nor beliefs. Once europeans thought platypi were unreal fantastical creatures.

Your advice on counselling is noted See previous response. BUT your advice is based on your BELIEF that god cannot be real .  Why should one need a psych evaluation when they encounter anything real?

I am not a fool And i know that  to be so. Your opinion and that of others is neither relevant; nor pertinent to the truth. It is not my role in life to convince or convert you, or anyone else. I am merely explaining what is real and what is not. This reality is not mine alone, it impinges on your reality/our shared reality as well. Henc  i understand your reluctance to accept it as real. But that is your issue not mine Iamot resposnsible for anyone's relationship with god, other than my own.

Dont be silly, unicorns are mythological constructs :innocent:

Seriously, I do not know if unicorns existed  I doubt it, because ive never met one (like you doubt god because youve never met one) But I retain an open mind. After all, the reality of triceratops has been established in the last century or two.  Physical unicorns are no more inherently impossible than triceratops. The narwhales horn probably formed the basis for this belief but no one knows or sure.

In many ways, the existence of god is measured. if you mean scientifically, then how long has science had anything like the abilty to identify and measure an alien entity of superior technology?.

None theless, all real physicla things are capable of measurement, so god is capable of measurement, once we have the technology and means to do so.
Some human gods are constructs created by the nature of huan thought Others are a recognition by human sapience of realities within their universe. Realities with an indpendent existence but are not understood eg the sun and the moon.  And some gods are  actually independent entities with sapient self willed purpose.

You decide which human gods are which. Personally i allow the potential for all gods to be real from cromagnon times to today. In their sapience humans have an ability to recognise and catalogue entities. It is we who decide what are gods, and give them the name of gods. To me jehovah and gaea are one and the same. They are avatars of what i know as the cosmic consciousness. I dont know about thor odin etc They may well be human cultural expressions arising from contact by humans of those times with the same cosmic consciousness. I make no judgements on other people's religions, other than on their effects on people/society for creative or destructive purposes.


How can you know what god teaches me or what methods he uses to do so? You can only believe based on your own lack of similar experiences That leaves you very open to being wrong in your conclusions.  God doesnt give me trials or exams. He teaches me like i teach children. WOrds, pictures,  analogies, stories  rhetorical questions, investigations. puzzles. research assignments etc.


But it is not only me who sees and commmunicates with god, is it? That is a pert of the point. Ordinary, sane individual humans ahve been doing this for at least 50000 years  My pov is the opposite. I find it incredible, and hard to accept that so many humans are "god -blind". That they can't see what is theer all around them and inside them. That they can't hear god or communicate with him . I have to accept there is some natural reason for this, like why I am colour blind or tone deaf, or why i cannot see images inside my head while conscious.  (consciously visualise things) Why i think in words not pictures. Why i can read and memorise a page in an instant, but cant remember peoples' names

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 01:11 AM

View PostAlienated Being, on 01 October 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

Exactly, and what you are experiencing is what you perceive to be real; not what is actually real. You attribute these occurrences to a divine being.


No, these experiences are in your mind. And, while they may not be unreal, they most certainly do not point to the intervention of a creator. I am sorry to say.


I really do not think that an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent deity would give a hoot as to what one individual out of a seemingly-endless number of planets is tempted by, or what they would do with the money. I really, and honestly think you are a nut job.


I don't.


I do need a video, because you are making these extraordinary claims... and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


God is not helping cancer patients at all, as he is what created cancer to begin with. In essence, he is the reason as to why they have cancer. He purportedly sent Jesus to our planet to cure the blind, however.. he could not cure blindness? He helps those who are suffering from cancer, yet can not fully eradicate cancer in itself? Why would he help specific individuals suffering from cancer, and not just completely eliminate such needless suffering? I am assuming you are going to retort with some pseudo-logic in order to justify how "God has his reasons". Typical Christian fundamentalist mumbo-jumbo.


What about those who help/accept his "gifts", yet are subjected to needless suffering, such as cancer? What about those who died in 9/11, who had families to go home to, but never made it home? And you are trying to tell me that "god" is giving you money to donate to charities, however.. he allowed a building to collapse on many individuals, killing them? He allowed such atrocities such as the holocaust to occur, yet he gives you a petty $1000 for a personal "need"?


What about those who were told by god that they would be cured, and subsequently WERE NOT?


Yes, I imagine so. I assume you must have been ready for it? What is so special about you?


Clearly you have not sought therapy to the extent that you should have.


LOL!

With all due respect, the more I read your responses in an attempt to justify "god's" existence, the more I realize how insane you really are. You are one of those deluded, hallucinatory and insane individuals. I am sorry to say.
Roflmao Have you ever considered the possibility that iam right and you are wrong. That, technically, in refusing to acknowledge truth you aer the deluded one in need of counselling? :innocent:

Humans cant decide/determine/choose, what is real or not. We have to accept that which is. however strange or fantastical it seems. Humans once understood this but in the age of science it is less obvious. What is real is real, no matter how much we want to believe it is not. And the only way a person can know, for sure, if something is real is to experience it for themsleves. All else is faith in others experiences.

Ps I am not god. I can only do what a human can do and sometimes a little bit more becaus eof the power of god in me' Most human problems are caused by humans and can/must be cured by humans. I am doing my bit. Talk to others about the unfairness of life, do your bit and change it. CAncer is curable, war is preventable, hunger and pain are preventable all by humans. And god has told us how to achieve all these things.

My form of "insanity" could cure the world of most of its current problems, if applied .To be honest i do not see your form of sanity working terribly well. At best it does nothing. At worst it causes inequality and great harm to humanity and to the planet. Do you think it is insane to work actively towards ending  the problems caused by humanity's current attitudes and values?


Where do you get some of your ideas from, such as god causing cancer. NAture and environment causes cancer. It's scientific causes are increasingly understood. Dont smoke, eat meat, drink alcohol, do exercise regularly, avoid known artificial carcinogens, and dont spend too much time in the sun; and your cancer risk is dramatically reduced. God tells me( and humanity) that how we live our lives affects the outcomes in those lives. (In ALL things) So does science, but not so powerfully or articulately. P from evidences available to me god can cure cancer completelty and almost immedaitely He can do lots of things. You would have to ask him exactly WHY he makes certain choices and decisions  I note logic and rational purpose in how god acts and so i can extrpolate that he has reasons for his behaviours.

I am not special. That is the point i am trying to make. by many of my posts on UM. I am  almost exactly the same as any other human being, in biological and neuroloical make up, and so god exists within every human being, and is available to each one of them. What god does for and with me, he can, and will, do with anyone who is capable of accpeting him and acting in accord with him. He can't ,or choses not to, force humans to act in a way that might seem best for them but would not allow them to evolve and improve ethemselves. God is a teacher not a tyrant. Ultimately our individual and species future and survival  depends on us  not on god.The choics we make, and how we act. God can help us make wiser decisions, and to survive some of the less wise ones, but wont force us into them. That would not help us at all, ultimately.

Because god is real, I dont need to "justify" his existence, any more than i need to "justify" my wifes existence. It is just as it is.


Ps you make one valid point. I wasnt "ready" for gods appearance and intervention in my life. I didnt know what it was or accept it immediately. I did examine it with logic, and i was scared. I did seek professional and medical help. I didnt need god or want it ,at that point in my life. God intervened anyway. However, i was 'ready' in many senses. I was used, all my life, to paranormal and supernaturalabilities and incidents, i didnt understand all these. Some appeared hereditary some unique to me. They were real and powerful enough to scare other children/adolescents, and so I moslty kept quiet about them and studied them . When god manifested, my first thought was that this was another paranormal power from within myself, but the capabilities demonstrated by god were so great that logically, i knew they didnt come from within myslelf. Over time  I  came to understand that all those lprevious manifestions, including my tapping into the cosmic consciousness as a pre adolescent, were actually connected, and part of the entity i  chose to call god
I was also ready and able to respond to god. i was wiling and able to completely change my life; give up smoking drinking  wild women and materialism /hedonism, to be a spiritual person. It took time effort discipline and training, but with gods mentoring teaching and guidance i evolved into what i am today. As a consequence thousands of humans and dozens of communities are better off than the would have bene if god had nevr intevened in my life. Perhaps god knew he could make a small difference to the world, by making a big one in me. Perhaps that just isn't true for most people.

Edited by Mr Walker, 01 October 2012 - 02:03 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Watch thismovie and it will surely change your attitude towards all you believe in hauntings,ghosts etc.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:58 AM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 29 September 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

For me the experiences lead to the curiosity of finding the truth of what ever the subject. I don't believe in anything until it thrown in face and then I do a lot of speculation. Life is full of mysteries to be reconciled with each other and UM is an excellent source of finding people to share every kind of subject and expand your perception of what is the reality of it.

This is my story of how the mystical part of life started to make me interested in the unexplained. I've witnessed other things far more mysterious in the physical world to me then the ghostly phenomenons but I will share my ghostly beginnings aspect since you asked about ghosts. It did change my whole view on life as I try to solve the other mysteries.

I was about 4 when my apparently healthy but very old great grandfather died suddenly. It was my first experience of a family death and I got told the usual he's in heaven thing.  I cried because I thought I'd never see him again and I was told I was too young to go see him at the service and it was during my bedtime. But I dreamed I was there! I saw his body and people there and he was floating above with me like a shiny version of himself. I saw something or someone else there with us like a beautiful colorful shining star. He told me not to cry that dead people aren't really dead they just change back into what they really are and there's different places they can go. He told me I could go to places while alive in the same way although most people don't do it until they die. I asked what the star thing was and he told me it was an angel. I told my family and my grandmother told me it would be better not to tell people about my dream and that God works in mysterious ways.

My next experience with a death of a loved one was my grandfather when I was 7.  No one suspected he died because he was still younger. That deceased grandfather never came to me in any dreams but SOMETHING came in real life told me about him.

I saw a mistlike thing with really weird dark big eyes while playing in a wood pile in the woods and being a kid I thought- neat it's a Casper or something! I started questioning him and he didn't answer my questions and I got scared. Then it "spoke" to me in thought and said he was my grandad's father that I never knew. He told me he came because it was important for me to tell my dad that my grandfather was dead. I always believed in a land of the dead as I called it where I saw my great grandfather in my dream but I didn't know they could come to us while awake -double neat!!!   I ran home and told my mother. She called my grandfather's house, no answer, then the neighbors, then the police since the neighbors said they didn't see him and he was supposed to be home. Dad got off early and we went to my grandfather's house. He had been dead for three days, yuk!  That was the proof I needed for myself that some if not all people don't really die like most grownups understand it happens. I knew in my heart, my grandfather was never really that horrible, stinky yukky thing stuck to the floor but it was only a body something like a broken robot!

I was really young but that was the day when I truly became devoted to understand life, death and the those other places or connections that somehow exist beyond the understanding of modern science or religions.  

As I got older I became skeptical of my own belief system, mainly because I was exposed to more science as well as a vast variety of religious doctrines. I always try to analyze events for more then face value.

Was is it just a manifestation of some kind of telepathy of subconscious or group subconscious that comes to you in a way that you understand?
Some religious views would say it was a demon since it said it was my great grandfather and the dead are dead?
Was that misty form with really big eyes actually what some people call aliens?
Was I just delusional and the message being true was just a coincidence?

I was really young but that was first day when I began a quest to try understand life, death and the those other places or connections that somehow exist beyond the understanding of modern science and religions.  

Many years later, I lost my other grandfather. I was closer to him than anyone and I was devestated. He had a long lingering death and I wasn't at his side when it happened. I felt so guilty I wasn't there and would be so alone without him. Just before his funeral when I was crying I saw him but transparent, younger and healthy and he spoke very quickly and disappeared. Don't cry, it's ok ...and for crying out loud you have to tell your mother, "There are other people here". I was surprised and confused, I thought I've just lost my sanity for sure!

I reluctly told my mother after the funeral at her house. She cried in happiness and started jumping up and down saying "My God he did it this is wonderful!"   She told him to give her that message of those exact words if he could to let her know for certain that people live after death. He agreed. She said they were doing a Houdini like experiment with a message what ever that is. She wanted to know if he was able to reunite with her beloved Grandma and Uncle so she could rest assured in seeing them again too...... Only my mother would ask a dying man to speak a certain phrase into a tape recorder after death after watching some stupid psychic show to prove something to her! He obviously couldn't do the message through the recording but came to me with it. My dad just said, "Thank God. Now we can turn off that damnedable tape recorder instead of me getting up in the middle of the night to rewind and listen to bunch of blank tape!" I laughed and my dad just said to my mom "See I told you, you don't need a tape to know the answer to that!"

I believe that it was my grandad but on still the skeptic side of things I can't test it to prove it. Could have been a telepathic connection from my dad in some way so he could shut off a tape recorder for good? LOL  

My grandad has came to me in dreams after that but usually years apart. It's like stupid dreams suddenly end/ or no dreams then suddenly I am in that other world and he's there. We can talk, walk, float, change what we look like, he even showed me his first car with a rumble seat. We meet other people and we have fun but then it always ends up the same.  By the same, he gives a message of advise on how to deal with a tragedy, death or something that just happened that I didn't know about.

The dreams are always come a few days before the event in the message except once. That happened at the same time as the dream. I  really wanted to stay in that dream place but Grandpa told me that my mom's beloved dog was having a heart attack and would die -call her NOW if you don't she will die too! I saw the dog with my granddad in the end of the dream.  I woke up and called her. My dad answered, the dog just died as I was on the phone. Mom was hysterical and having a heart attack but wouldn't go to the hospital. I told my dad to tell her I just saw Grandpa and the dog is with him and his message of advise -dogs can go to heaven too! She had just freaked to my dad about not knowing if animals died permenently and gave herself a small heart attack while the dog was dying. She finally went to the hospital after she calmed down some. She was getting worse and worse and wouldn't listen to my dad at all. She only calmed down after my call.  I think she would have had a much worse heart attack if I didn't call like my Grandpa told me.  

I have dreams with my grandmother and strangers too but it's always that same world and when your in it and most of the people are deceased although sometimes one will say I'm like you. Its like you wake up in another reality you go to sleep there and wake up in.  I noticed there can be buildings and things there like here but they are different because it's like the people there can make the enviroment appear as what they want it to be. People there can even teach each others what they know and just like my grandad showed me his first car -poof-see it first hand and sit in it! Awesome!!!

My grandmother had a near death experience when she was young. When she was in her 90's she told me she was ready and wanted to go back there to stay and told me all this stuff I needed to know if she is gone...I didn't believe she'd die but she died in her sleep that night with a BIG smile on her face and looked beautiful when I came to see her the next morning.  I never saw anyone die naturally that way they said her heart just stopped even though she was healthy.  She went to sleep in that dream place and stayed there just like she said. I truly think this is what's meant by the kiss of God.

She came to me in dreams more than my Grandad ever did.  Probably because she still worries about the whole world not just family :)

Whatever ghosts really are they do come to people in the physical world as well, which when you have others present that witness the same thing it is much more interesting to try to explain it.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

I grew up reading every UFO, Bigfoot, ESP and Believe It or Not book I could find. I was sure all of it was real because people aren't stupid and frauds would be exposed. Surely those people bought Chariots of the Gods because it was all true!

Then I discovered people are stupid and the things we experience are hard to explain sometimes. Photos were easily faked even a hundred years ago. Legends (i.e. lying) are profitable and some people desperately want fame and attention more than they want money. Isn't it better to pretend that supernatural things exist than find out whether they really exist?

Nearly all of my beloved supernatural tales from my childhood have now been debunked or had reasonable explanations.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:44 PM

View Postscowl, on 01 October 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

I grew up reading every UFO, Bigfoot, ESP and Believe It or Not book I could find. I was sure all of it was real because people aren't stupid and frauds would be exposed. Surely those people bought Chariots of the Gods because it was all true!

Then I discovered people are stupid and the things we experience are hard to explain sometimes. Photos were easily faked even a hundred years ago. Legends (i.e. lying) are profitable and some people desperately want fame and attention more than they want money. Isn't it better to pretend that supernatural things exist than find out whether they really exist?

Nearly all of my beloved supernatural tales from my childhood have now been debunked or had reasonable explanations.

There are real mysteries to be solved and I take heart with your disappointments. You can only look for the little known facts that somehow inspired the liars and  money seekers. That is a very hard thing to do, time consuming  and often very misleading. Being sceptical is good when you seek an answer to a persoal mystery but if you seek to find one you will find more deceit because those are the same people who are seeking material rewards. Something will happen to you out of the blue one day and it will be real. Build on that and seek an answer for you. It leads you to a more rewarding path of discovery than reading someone elses blown up stories with very little truth :)


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:07 PM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 01 October 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Something will happen to you out of the blue one day and it will be real.

No, nothing will happen to me. I carry a camera (with video modes) with me at all times and I know how to use it. This prevents anything supernatural from happening to me.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:33 PM

View Postscowl, on 01 October 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

No, nothing will happen to me. I carry a camera (with video modes) with me at all times and I know how to use it. This prevents anything supernatural from happening to me.

I wouldn't say that prevents you at all. Don't give up hope in something you'd like to discover.
I  don't agree that  its better to pretend because then the real things go unresearched.
We really need more sceptic but open minded people like you out there with cameras :)

Lots of people have taken pictures but usually it doesn't mean anything except to them because only they and who ever was with them know it was a real "something". Maybe you are just looking for something that you might never find. I also don't agree that  its better to pretend because then the real things go unresearched.

Unexplained things seem to happen more to people when not looking for it. Maybe this is because they are not so intense and not looking for a specific something, so they actually observe more by not looking for something else in the wrong place. Don't want to be looking in the sky when something is behind you.

Just be open minded and when something does happen, I'm sure you will be the good sceptic that seeks the truth :)

You will also discover when you dig deeper into a personal experience you will learn more on your own and from others who share in similar ones. A domino effect can start to happen and you will have a lot more to deal with. When you get to that point it sometimes brings way more then you ever really wanted know!  Other times you may discover it wasn't anything or you will end up clueless. Even then its fun to do the research to discover what the real truth is :)

I do hope you see something some day and get a good video!


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:48 PM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 01 October 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

I wouldn't say that prevents you at all.

It's well established that paranormal phenomena that happen regularly tend to disappear once properly investigated.

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You will also discover when you dig deeper into a personal experience you will learn more on your own and from others who share in similar ones. A domino effect can start to happen and you will have a lot more to deal with. When you get to that point it sometimes brings way more then you ever really wanted know!  Other times you may discover it wasn't anything or you will end up clueless. Even then its fun to do the research to discover what the real truth is :)

Your life advice doesn't jibe with my decades of presumed paranormal experiences.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:10 AM

View Postscowl, on 01 October 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

It's well established that paranormal phenomena that happen regularly tend to disappear once properly investigated.



Why do you think I'm carrying the camera?



Your life advice doesn't jibe with my decades of presumed paranormal experiences.

This is true because the majority are not paranormal.

Its like if you discover a beehive its not hard to find a queen bee but you will never find one in the open field. But you can follow a bee to find the hive.

I'm sorry you did not find what you are seeking so far but it is a random luck in many cases.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:43 AM

View Postscowl, on 01 October 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

No, nothing will happen to me. I carry a camera (with video modes) with me at all times and I know how to use it. This prevents anything supernatural from happening to me.

ROFLMAO

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 03:02 PM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 01 October 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

I wouldn't say that prevents you at all. Don't give up hope in something you'd like to discover.
I  don't agree that  its better to pretend because then the real things go unresearched.
We really need more sceptic but open minded people like you out there with cameras :)

Lots of people have taken pictures but usually it doesn't mean anything except to them because only they and who ever was with them know it was a real "something". Maybe you are just looking for something that you might never find. I also don't agree that  its better to pretend because then the real things go unresearched.

Unexplained things seem to happen more to people when not looking for it. Maybe this is because they are not so intense and not looking for a specific something, so they actually observe more by not looking for something else in the wrong place. Don't want to be looking in the sky when something is behind you.

Just be open minded and when something does happen, I'm sure you will be the good sceptic that seeks the truth :)

You will also discover when you dig deeper into a personal experience you will learn more on your own and from others who share in similar ones. A domino effect can start to happen and you will have a lot more to deal with. When you get to that point it sometimes brings way more then you ever really wanted know!  Other times you may discover it wasn't anything or you will end up clueless. Even then its fun to do the research to discover what the real truth is :)

I do hope you see something some day and get a good video!

What Is The Point Of Carrying A Camera Around??

Even If Something DOES Happen, And Say You Manage To Get It On Tape Or Pic .. Show It To Someone Or Post It On Here And In A Blink Of An Eye You'll Be Called A Hoaxer, Fraud Or Troll ..

There's Been Plenty Of Examples Of It On Here .. And While I Agree 99% of Pics And Vids Nowdays Are Fakes, There's Always At Least That 1% That Can't Be Explained By Anyone .. Yet No One Will Think Twice About It, But Simply Call It A Fake ..

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