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#61    Stellar

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:08 PM

Like... what do you think is going to happen when a country continually threatens to "destroy the US imperialist aggressors"?

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:10 PM

View PostStellar, on 16 March 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

Like... what do you think is going to happen when a country continually threatens to "destroy the US imperialist aggressors"?

Nothing....

Threats are just words. The US feel everyone has a right to freedom of speech. If a Country acts on the threats, we will do what we normally do. Kick some ass and let God sort them out.

Edited by Sakari, 16 March 2013 - 07:12 PM.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:25 PM

View PostSakari, on 16 March 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

If your opinion were fact that would be all fine and dandy.....Sorry to say, your opinion is not true to the fact, not at all.




The structure of the United Nations

The structure of the United Nations is based around its charter. The United Nations Charter consists of 111 articles. These articles explain how the United Nations works.
The charter established six parts of the United Nations:
General Assembly Security Council Economic and Social Council Trusteeship Council International Court of Justice Secretariat
The General Assembly has the brief to discuss and decide on issues of international peace and security. All members of the United Nations are represented in the General Assembly. It can make recommendations to promote international peace; international economic and social co-operation and it can promote human rights. The General Assembly is expected to meet on a regular basis and when a vote is taken it needs a two-thirds majority for it to be passed.
The Security Council consists of eleven members. Five of these are permanent (USA, USSR, GB, China, France). The General Assembly appoints another six members who are non-permanent members. The Security Council is given the primary task by the United Nations of maintaining peace and security at an international level. Each member of the Security Council is given one vote and a vote of seven members is needed for action to be taken. All five permanent members have to agree with the course of action. The Security Council can recommend the use of a blockade or other financial impositions for any nation that is deemed as breaking international law. If these do not work, then the Security Council can call on the United Nations to use military force to enforce its will. This is the major difference to the League of Nations – the United Nations has the ability to enforce its decisions as each member state has to pledge to provide a military component dependent on its national wealth and capability.
The main task of the Economic and Social Council is to promote and improve the economic and social well-being of those living in the member states. This council deals with human rights and seeks to develop a greater understanding of cultures throughout the world. An improvement in world health is also in its remit. Article 57 gives a clear indication of the areas this council covers: health, education, economic, social and cultural issues and the promotion of the position of women in the world. Each member of the Council has one vote.
The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is the main judicial body of the United Nations. All members of the United Nations are party to the International Court. The ICJ consists of 15 members and only two members come from the same country at any one time. All members of the United Nations have to agree to abide by the decisions of the ICJ.
The Secretariat comprises of a Secretary-General and it is the body that runs the United Nations. The Secretary-General is appointed by the General Assembly which receives recommendations from the Security Council. The Secretary-General is the United Nations’ chief administrative officer.
Since 1945, the United Nations has been involved as a peacekeeper in Iran and the Balkans, Indonesia, Palestine and the Middle East in general, Korea and the Congo.

So you are just going to post a load of BS I already knew.... I'm not talking about what they tell the general public.


If the above was actually true then Israel would have to attend their meetings... But they don't when everyone else has to. Also if the US really cared about keeping the peace then why do they always walk out of UN meetings when Iran is talking. And no it's not because Iran is spouting loads of hatred, if you actually listen to Irans speeches you would realise how much BS the western media makes up about Iran.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:26 PM

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"Yes, and Yes." Sakari
Wrong, and wrong.
It's called "the supremacy clause" of the United States Constitution.

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  ARTICLE 6.
2 This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land ...
That's not all. Art. 2 is about the President.

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  ARTICLE 2. SECTION 1.
7 Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:-

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."  
Were any U.S. president ever caught ceding authority to the U.N. they'd be subject to impeachment for purgery; violating their oath, and their sworn duty.

I understand.
Bush (both) got U.N. approval before their Middle East wars.

But that's a fig leaf.

In the United States of America, no law trumps the United States Constitution.

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If you closely examine Art.2 Sect.1 part7, you will see "... so help me god" is NOT any part of the Constitutionally stipulated oath.
Yet presidential inaugurees have been prompted for it for as long as I can remember.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:34 PM

View Postsear, on 16 March 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Wrong, and wrong.
It's called "the supremacy clause" of the United States Constitution.

That's not all. Art. 2 is about the President.

Were any U.S. president ever caught ceding authority to the U.N. they'd be subject to impeachment for purgery; violating their oath, and their sworn duty.

I understand.
Bush (both) got U.N. approval before their Middle East wars.

But that's a fig leaf.

In the United States of America, no law trumps the United States Constitution.

PS / note:
If you closely examine Art.2 Sect.1 part7, you will see "... so help me god" is NOT any part of the Constitutionally stipulated oath.
Yet presidential inaugurees have been prompted for it for as long as I can remember.



Has the US ever gone against the UN?

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:36 PM

Oh also the UN was founded by 2 American Presidents and an American lawyer.......... (Can you get anymore corrupt than that? lol)


So the US doesn't control the UN no?

Edited by Coffey, 16 March 2013 - 07:36 PM.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:38 PM

View PostCoffey, on 16 March 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

Oh also the UN was founded by 2 American Presidents and an American lawyer.......... (Can you get anymore corrupt than that? lol)


So the US doesn't control the UN no?


No it does not....It actually disagrees with the UN quite a bit.

As said, your opinion is not fact.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:58 PM

View PostSakari, on 16 March 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

No it does not....It actually disagrees with the UN quite a bit.

As said, your opinion is not fact.

So it doesn't control it, but it was 2 American presidents and an American lawyer that founded it? Ok.....

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:58 PM

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"Has the US ever gone against the UN?" Sakari
Interesting question.
But I'm not sure it's germane.

The question is:
If the U.N. orders Iran to allow U.N. inspectors into its nuclear plant, is Iran obliged to obey?
I'm guessing in Iran's case the answer is no.
In the U.N.'s case the answer is yes.

With such impasse, the U.S. tends to prevail.

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"So the US doesn't control the UN no?" Coffey
The U.S. hosts the U.N., NYC UNHQ.

The U.S. funds the U.N. disproportionately.
The U.N. is substantially a U.S. tool. The Bush (younger) administration had U.N. approval for his invasion /  occupation of Iraq. But was ruse that was transparent to me even before the invasion began.
Not all U.N. Security Council votes go as the U.S. president wants.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:30 PM

North Korea apparently has told everyone to leave a South Korean Island


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:42 PM

I'm going put this point-blank. So, sorry if it offends anyone.

NK is a b****** nation.

They need to be 100% constrained, and quickly.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:54 PM

RN,
I did not know that.

That's potentially very, very bad.

View Postpallidin, on 16 March 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

NK is a b****** nation.
You under-state the case.

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  They need to be 100% constrained, and quickly.
Nobody has the stomache for it. The U.S. lost 54K troops there, after WWII. We don't want to do that again.

And any move on NK would almost surely result in NK shelling Seoul from North of the DMZ.
They might just level the capitol, & the capital.

Then there's China to contend with, as there was 62 years ago.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

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An additional thought on the U.N. Sakari,

The U.N.'s capacity to enforce its own dictates is extremely weak. It's main tool of coercion is "sanctions", usually trade sanctions.
By & large these seem to be ineffective.
I can't think of an example where U.N. sanctions have resulted in a nation being coerced into compliance (reversing its own policy).

The U.N. has no standing army of its own.
It does have "blue hats", but the troops that wear them are on loan from other militaries.

George Will has called the blue hats "worse than nothing", as some terrible massacres have taken place with "U.N. troops" (misnomer) standing by.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:12 PM

A small mistake willl trigger it





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