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#16    Corp

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:11 PM

View PostParacelse, on 22 August 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

Just writing from experience

So every British Muslim you've met has been a terrorist?

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:19 PM

Probably because being in the military is actual work, and sitting in mom's house drawing benefits and smoking pot seems more attractive.


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:44 PM

View PostCorp, on 22 August 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

So every British Muslim you've met has been a terrorist?

Before moving to France 4 years ago I was kind of like you... now after all those years of seing ... i noticed how much I was wrong.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:58 PM

View PostCorp, on 22 August 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

So judging from some of the replies people think all British muslims are terrorists then? Sad.


Anyway just send out a press gang or two and they'll sort things out.
  Not all Muslims are terrorists,but how are you going to tell the difference,as has been proved in Afghanistan who have Police in uniform who suddenly go ballistic and start shooting our Soldiers(including yours),(even the wives and kids can't be trusted as they act as carriers of amo etc)so would you trust a Muslim on a Nuke Sub, it would be like putting a tube of nitro-glycerine in a box of fireworks,hoping it wont become unstable and BANG..

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:09 PM

There is loads of reaosns less people are signing up.
  • More people realising these wars are wrong and don't want to be a part of it.
  • Morals, means they don't want to kill innocent people.
  • The fact they are lied to about it being easy to find work when they leave.
That's 3 I know of, to expand on the 3rd one. 3 of my mates who left are now unemployed and can't get work. One of them was int he REME. Engineering companies won't take ihm on because he isn't properly qaulified as an engineer. lol Which is the reaosn he joined the REME. lol

They lie and tell you that trianing in the REME will give you work when you leave. Which is rubbish.

My Step dad was a manager for an engineering company and took on a guy who left the REME and the company had to send him to colelge on day release for 2 years to get him to the standard of people half his age. He also got payed less becuase of this. My brother was earning almost double this guy was and was 15 years younger than him.

The only job roles I can think of in the forces you will seriously get work for when you leave are IT and Pilots. (maybe ship roles as well, but don't know much about that)

It also puts employers off when they know that soldiers can have mental problems after what they have been through. (not saying it's their fault and it's a shame)

View PostMaestro, on 22 August 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Probably because being in the military is actual work, and sitting in mom's house drawing benefits and smoking pot seems more attractive.

Yeah cause everyone wants to be on benefits...

I know there are a few who do like to not work. But most want to work, i eman youg et feck all money form benefits. You cna't afford to live properly on that.

There is a huge lack of jobs in the UK now.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:39 AM

I don't want to seem insensitive, but I wouldn't want to be stuck on a ship with guys for a long period of time.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:10 AM

View PostCorp, on 22 August 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

So judging from some of the replies people think all British muslims are terrorists then? Sad.

Most of them support Islamists.  So it's a very sad situation.


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:17 AM

View PostCoffey, on 22 August 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

1. There is loads of reaosns less people are signing up
  • More people realising these wars are wrong and don't want to be a part of it.
  • Morals, means they don't want to kill innocent people.
  • The fact they are lied to about it being easy to find work when they leave.
2. They lie and tell you that training in the REME will give you work when you leave. Which is rubbish.

3. The only job roles I can think of in the forces you will seriously get work for when you leave are IT and Pilots. (maybe ship roles as well, but don't know much about that)

4. It also puts employers off when they know that soldiers can have mental problems after what they have been through.

1. People that enlist have a different mentality than you. They are the type who are deeply patriotic and want to fight for their country. They aspire to a higher meaning in life so there's no moral conflict for them. I think you'll find the lower recruitment figures are related to the way in which soliders are being treated - employed one minute and dumped into civvy street the next.

2. In REME a solider gets taught what is needed to patch up armoured vehicles, to defuse IEDs and how to assemble bridges. If the guy thinks he's going to learn CAM, CAD, materials science, electronics and physics while in the army then he's living in a fantasy world. Its the idiots own fault for not knowing what an engineer actually is (civvy) and not comparing it to the skills he would pick up in REME.

3. The RAF has decent careers but thats where the universty graduates who want to fight for their country go. For instance an engineering degree would get you in as an engineering officer. The Navy is the same for engineers but again you'd need the degree.

4. I think thats being negative. A very small amount of soliders have problems which would stop them fiting back into civvy street and holding down a job. When that applies they are also under mental healthcare until they have been treated.

I know a guy who saw a RPG round hit his mate in the face then tried to hang himself at his barracks. The round caved his face in but didnt explode and he went a bit loopy in the head. He was sectioned while they treated him and then released. He is now fine. He works, there are no issues, he is like everyone else.


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:28 AM

View PostCoffey, on 22 August 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

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More people realising these wars are wrong and don't want to be a part of it.
Morals, means they don't want to kill innocent people.
The fact they are lied to about it being easy to find work when they leave.

I've never read so much garbage in my life.


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:29 AM

View PostDrayno, on 23 August 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

I don't want to seem insensitive, but I wouldn't want to be stuck on a ship with guys for a long period of time.

What do you want to be on a ship with?  Aliens?


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:07 PM

View PostTheLastLazyGun, on 23 August 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

I've never read so much garbage in my life.


Funny that I know for a fact all those reasons are true.

For a start US veterans throwing their medals away/at the goverment.

My mate the other day just posted on Facebook how the emdal he recieved was pretty much an insult.

Veterans breaking down and  apoligising for what they have done.

All my mates hated being in the forces and couldn't wait to leave and now struggle to find work. Only 2 of them are still in the forces now and the only reaosn they ahven't left is becuase of how hard it's been for my other mates and they don't want to be unemployed etc.

There those are all facts. Also the ones i posted before. Prove me wrong then if it's garbage...

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:29 PM

View PostCoffey, on 23 August 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

Funny that I know for a fact all those reasons are true.

For a start US veterans throwing their medals away/at the goverment.

My mate the other day just posted on Facebook how the emdal he recieved was pretty much an insult.

Veterans breaking down and  apoligising for what they have done.

All my mates hated being in the forces and couldn't wait to leave and now struggle to find work. Only 2 of them are still in the forces now and the only reaosn they ahven't left is becuase of how hard it's been for my other mates and they don't want to be unemployed etc.

There those are all facts. Also the ones i posted before. Prove me wrong then if it's garbage...

Great except we're on about the Royal Navy lol.


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:41 PM

View PostUncle Sam, on 22 August 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Give a chance of Radicial Islamist getting on a nuclear attack sub? You must be out of your mind... there is just to much a margin of human error.
I was joking but do you seriously believe that?  paranoid a little?  You are the perfect citizen our current fear mongering government has labored so hard to create.


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:45 PM

View PostTheLastLazyGun, on 23 August 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

Most of them support Islamists.  So it's a very sad situation.
I bet most of the ones in England do not.


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:27 PM

Submariners get paid  more than your average sailor,mostly because of the length of time they stay on mission...will say that the subs are not like the old WW2 era types..quite well kitted out now for comfort.






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