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[Supersquatch]

Acidhead,
Barack Obama is the first president to have major questioning of his birth certificate. You don't think this is because of his race? People believe that he grew up in Kenya, an African country, and he's African American. How is this not racial? There is no evidence that he was born in any country besides the US (unless if you can actually give me some).

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You do realize Obama has an alias name, Barry Sortaro, which he used while living in Indonesia as a youth?

http://www.bnd.com/2...y-soetoro.html: "I know my paper's philosophy is to let people have their say (within legal limits) and the truth will win out (hopefully). But I sometimes think we should consider offering an occasional editor's note when writers take a particularly flagrant departure from reality."

[acidhead]

GOV gun grabbers historically knew the importance of using children as props:

[acidhead]

Noodly Savior, on 17 January 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

Acidhead,
Barack Obama is the first president to have major questioning of his birth certificate. You don't think this is because of his race? People believe that he grew up in Kenya, an African country, and he's African American. How is this not racial? There is no evidence that he was born in any country besides the US (unless if you can actually give me some).



http://www.bnd.com/2...y-soetoro.html: "I know my paper's philosophy is to let people have their say (within legal limits) and the truth will win out (hopefully). But I sometimes think we should consider offering an occasional editor's note when writers take a particularly flagrant departure from reality."

DO NOT DERAIL THIS THREAD

If you want to discuss your racial issue on the birth certificate please use an appropriate thread.

I have nothing more to discuss with you here on that issue.

[acidhead]

Posted on Lew Rockwell's web page:

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Warning to All Doctors and Counselors http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/

President Obama's announcement today essentially means that doctors, psychiatrists, and counselors all are on notice that they had better ask every client or patient if he or she owns guns. If they answer "yes," then look for a visit from the local police.
I have no doubt that we will see an escalation of state gun violence out of all this. Bureaucrats are risk-averse, which means that the new default position will be the confiscation of guns from anyone who might be taking any medication for depression, sleeplessness, or something like Ritalin. This is not so much because all of them will be threats to kill others, but rather it presents a new opportunity to government agents to further control, harass, bully, and even kill others.

[acidhead]

Never forget when the gun violence escalates in the USA that it was the GOV's intervention which initiated the incidents through the use of force.

[Hilander]

Noodly Savior, on 17 January 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

Acidhead,
Barack Obama is the first president to have major questioning of his birth certificate. You don't think this is because of his race? People believe that he grew up in Kenya, an African country, and he's African American. How is this not racial? There is no evidence that he was born in any country besides the US (unless if you can actually give me some).

Actually that's not true, our 21st President, Chester Alan Arthur was being accused of being Canadian.

The original "birther" controversy

[Kafkaesque]

I find it ironic... So very ironic.

That Obama is using executive orders and bypassing Congress and our Constitution.

The enabling act, which was passed on March 23rd 1933 provided (Article I: Federal laws may be enacted by the government [the cabinet] outside of the procedure provided in the Constitution . . . .) (Article II: The laws decreed by the government may deviate from the Constitution . . .) (Article III: The laws decreed by the government are to be drafted by the Chancellor and announced in the Reichsgesetzblatt.)

Hitler then used the powers from this act to mandate a prohibition of military rifles in the hands of the public.

This then was followed by him disarming "enemies of the state"; communists, gays, Jews. Remember that "communist" was a euphemism for those who weren't National Socialists. The German public were then offered to join the SS. Those who joined the Nazi Party or were in the SS or military were permitted in keeping their arms, but of course they themselves were instrumental in disarming and killing millions later targeted by Nazi Germany's reformed gun laws in 1938; those darn "communists" and Jews. The same gun law that then made it easier for Nazi civilians to get and keep handguns with a hunter's license.

Those who didn't join these state-run organizations and kept weapons were then killed.

Edited by Eonwe, 17 January 2013 - 01:29 AM.

[AsteroidX]

Stupid politicians. Add up all the infringements to your rights dont look at them singularly or your just another sheeple.

[aztek]

acidhead, on 17 January 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

GOV gun grabbers historically knew the importance of using children as props:

you know there is a big difference between USA and those. imo

ppl in Germany, china, USSR. blindly believed in their leaders, out of fear, or were raised with it, brainwashed,....w\e  (not all but vast majority)   into seeing them as demigods,  saviors. they did bring improvements to countries at first, Hitler especially, so ppl felt real results, great results. optimism was very high,

noting like that here now, economy going down, stupid laws make life harder,  prices rise,  more jobs lost, and bad vision of future for most.
and also we still have 300mil or so guns, only that we know of,  and gvmnt knows it.

[aztek]

acidhead, on 17 January 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

Never forget when the gun violence escalates in the USA that it was the GOV's intervention which initiated the incidents through the use of force.

it already happened, before,   Waco,  ruby ridge, atf was trying to remove guns. from private property

Edited by aztek, 17 January 2013 - 01:39 AM.

[ChewiesArmy]

Eonwe, on 17 January 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

I find it ironic... So very ironic.

That Obama is using executive orders and bypassing Congress and our Constitution.

The enabling act, which was passed on March 23rd 1933 provided (Article I: Federal laws may be enacted by the government [the cabinet] outside of the procedure provided in the Constitution . . . .) (Article II: The laws decreed by the government may deviate from the Constitution . . .) (Article III: The laws decreed by the government are to be drafted by the Chancellor and announced in the Reichsgesetzblatt.)

Hitler then used the powers from this act to mandate a prohibition of military rifles in the hands of the public.

This then was followed by him disarming "enemies of the state"; communists, gays, Jews. Remember that "communist" was a euphemism for those who weren't National Socialists. The German public were then offered to join the SS. Those who joined the Nazi Party or were in the SS or military were permitted in keeping their arms, but of course they themselves were instrumental in disarming and killing millions later targeted by Nazi Germany's reformed gun laws in 1938; those darn "communists" and Jews. The same gun law that then made it easier for Nazi civilians to get and keep handguns with a hunter's license.

Those who didn't join these state-run organizations and kept weapons were then killed.

So then having guns didn't stop their government?

[Kafkaesque]

ChewiesArmy, on 17 January 2013 - 01:56 AM, said:

So then having guns didn't stop their government?

All civilians joined the SS or were overly supportive of Hitler. They didn't try to stop their government.

[Kafkaesque]

I'd like to discuss some of the executive orders issued by president Obama today.

Order #5 Law enforcement shall “run full background check” before “returning seized guns”

So they are going to seize some guns? AKA, the guns that were perfectly fine and legal before they arbitrarily decided they weren't?

Order #7 Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign

So anti-gun propaganda? Great.

Order #15 Attorney General report on ‘gun-safety technologies’

Biden seemed interested in smart technology; like guns not being able to be used except by the buyer of the gun.

And our AG the guy who said he wants to brainwash people about guns in the same way they did about cigarettes.

Guess we know what Order 7 is for.

Order #16 Under Obamacare, doctors can ask patients about “guns in their homes"

This provides the basis of people being interviewed to see if they can own a gun or not.

That is, if you're in line with the liberal ideology of the government.

Order #17 Orders a letter to health care providers reminding them to “report threats of violence” to law enforcement

So the Obamacare doctors are encouraged to snitch on those who might differ in ideology, eh?

The "enemies of the state" will now be known as the mentally ill.

Order #20 Clarify mental health coverage under Medicaid

It seems mental health is the focus of the effort and definitely won't be abused as a loophole to assault people's rights.

Order #23 ‘National dialogue’ on “mental health” w/ HHS Sec. Kathleen Sebelius & Ed. Sec. Arne Duncan

So the head of the Department of Education wants to educate me on mental health? Orwellian doublespeak at it's finest.

More like the Department of Misinformation. This Department needs to go.

Edited by Eonwe, 17 January 2013 - 02:19 AM.

[ChewiesArmy]

Eonwe, on 17 January 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

All civilians joined the SS or were overly supportive of Hitler. They didn't try to stop their government.

The biggest argument against gun control is that assault weapons are needed incase the government decides to take over. This is such a tired and poor excuse for average citizens to have that kind of weapon. Is an assault weapon really going to stop the government?

The only citizens using assault weapons are gang bangers and mass murderers. I know most of the legal gun owners out there are respectful, law abiding citizens and should be able to own a gun if they are able, but there is no reason for any civilian to own an assault weapon, so then why not try to get rid of all of these weapons from the streets?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Eonwe, on 17 January 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

All civilians joined the SS or were overly supportive of Hitler. They didn't try to stop their government.

or you know, only a third of the population actually voted for him.
and it's a bit disengunuous to say they all supported Hitler, more like they saw what was coming and shutup for safety's sake or had the crap kicked out of them by the SA and later the SS and Gestapo.