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#1    GoSC

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 01:09 AM

Highly enlightening and educating documentary. Covers alot of topics. Please enjoy!



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Posted 15 April 2013 - 01:48 PM

Great video B!
Bravo, she's a courageous,intelligent and beautiful woman who exposes the truth of the occupation!

An Israeli film maker's documentary with former Shin Bet chiefs reveals even more truths:


Film-maker captures Israeli spy chiefs' doubts over covert killing operations

Director rejects charge that Oscar-nominated secret services documentary is one-sided

By the time Dror Moreh had finished filming more than 70 hours of interviews with six former chiefs of Israel's shadowy Shin Bet secret service agency, the director knew he had "dynamite in my hands".
The result, The Gatekeepers, a 97-minute documentary which has just opened in the UK, is indeed explosive. The Oscar-nominated film has played to packed audiences in Israel, many of whom emerged stunned at what they had seen and heard.
"I thought if I could manage to get all [six] to speak openly about their experience in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it will create a shockwave," Moreh told the Observer. "I was right – it created a huge storm."....

Read : http://www.guardian....efs-covert-film


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:20 PM

View PostWHO U KIDDIN, on 15 April 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Great video B!
Bravo, she's a courageous,intelligent and beautiful woman who exposes the truth of the occupation!

An Israeli film maker's documentary with former Shin Bet chiefs reveals even more truths:


Film-maker captures Israeli spy chiefs' doubts over covert killing operations

Director rejects charge that Oscar-nominated secret services documentary is one-sided

By the time Dror Moreh had finished filming more than 70 hours of interviews with six former chiefs of Israel's shadowy Shin Bet secret service agency, the director knew he had "dynamite in my hands".
The result, The Gatekeepers, a 97-minute documentary which has just opened in the UK, is indeed explosive. The Oscar-nominated film has played to packed audiences in Israel, many of whom emerged stunned at what they had seen and heard.
"I thought if I could manage to get all [six] to speak openly about their experience in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it will create a shockwave," Moreh told the Observer. "I was right – it created a huge storm."....

Read : http://www.guardian....efs-covert-film
You seem surprised that these men would suffer doubt or angst about their behavior in service of a state at war.  Any rational, moral human being would be grieved over a long term necessity of "keeping people down" as you might express it.  Injustice thrives in such an atmosphere to be sure.  Yet the alternative is to attempt to live alongside a people who genuinely want your eradication.  My question is why there is no equivalent documentary of Palestinians who feel tortured for their behavior against Jews, or did I miss that one?

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:15 PM

Thank you B.Jenkins :tu:


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:26 PM

View Postand then, on 15 April 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

My question is why there is no equivalent documentary of Palestinians who feel tortured for their behavior against Jews, or did I miss that one?

You mean documentaries that brand victims of collective punishment as monsters, criminals and terrorists?


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:18 PM

View PostXingWi, on 15 April 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

You mean documentaries that brand victims of collective punishment as monsters, criminals and terrorists?
Nope, I mean actual examples of regret on the part of groups who celebrate the murder of innocents, including 14 month old babies by throat slitting.  That is, Palestinian "freedom fighters".  If you are going to cry me a river for the horrors the Palestinians endure, save the effort.  I live in a real world where there is more than a single side in arguments.  A world where there is more that is  evil than Israel and Jews alone.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 11:18 PM

View Postand then, on 15 April 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Nope, I mean actual examples of regret on the part of groups who celebrate the murder of innocents, including 14 month old babies by throat slitting.  That is, Palestinian "freedom fighters".  If you are going to cry me a river for the horrors the Palestinians endure, save the effort.  I live in a real world where there is more than a single side in arguments.  A world where there is more that is  evil than Israel and Jews alone.
A throat slitter you refer to without citation is no excuse to take away everyone's liberty.   Your world view is severely oversimplified the way you pick cherries and blame entire groups of humans who had nothing to do with it.   If every evil Israeli bureaucrat was another excuse for collective punishment upon all Israelis, then at least your logic would be consistent.   Of course you won't eat that cooking.   That's only for the Palestinians.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:23 AM

Sorry, my mistake.  Hadas Fogel was 3 months, not 14.  
https://en.wikipedia..._attack#Victims

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 02:39 AM

View Postand then, on 15 April 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Nope, I mean actual examples of regret on the part of groups who celebrate the murder of innocents, including 14 month old babies by throat slitting.  That is, Palestinian "freedom fighters".  If you are going to cry me a river for the horrors the Palestinians endure, save the effort.  I live in a real world where there is more than a single side in arguments.  A world where there is more that is  evil than Israel and Jews alone.

I dont think anybody in the right mind would celebrate the murder of innocent's, and least of all a baby, doesnt matter how old they are, or even what nationality they are

The horrors the Palestinian people endure, should concern You, as it is due to those horror's why they retaliate, and while those horrors are happeneing there can never be any peace between Israel and Palestine

You do not live in the real world, You admitted to being a "Zionist and am biased for the state of Israel" (which in my opinion is blurring Your vision)... I am not trying to belittle You or anything, just trying to make You see something that is blatantly obvious

Which is why should Palestine be peaceful with Israel when Israel is doing horrendous thing's, I know for a fact, if someone was was beating ten tonne of **** out of me I would give them as good as what I got in return

There is good and bad on both the Israeli and Palestinian side's, not one of them is perfect, same can be said for all other countries

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 03:29 AM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 16 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

I dont think anybody in the right mind would celebrate the murder of innocent's, and least of all a baby, doesnt matter how old they are, or even what nationality they are

The horrors the Palestinian people endure, should concern You, as it is due to those horror's why they retaliate, and while those horrors are happeneing there can never be any peace between Israel and Palestine

You do not live in the real world, You admitted to being a "Zionist and am biased for the state of Israel" (which in my opinion is blurring Your vision)... I am not trying to belittle You or anything, just trying to make You see something that is blatantly obvious

Which is why should Palestine be peaceful with Israel when Israel is doing horrendous thing's, I know for a fact, if someone was was beating ten tonne of **** out of me I would give them as good as what I got in return

There is good and bad on both the Israeli and Palestinian side's, not one of them is perfect, same can be said for all other countries
I haven't said otherwise.  On the contrary, it is many others here who focus exclusively on the wrongs committed by Israel while completely absolving any action of the Palestinians as justified.  One does not need to be biased to see that.  And finally, there were large numbers of Palestinians who DID celebrate the Fogel murders.  My comments were in answer to XingWi's post and I feel it was the correct response as he seems to be one of those who dismiss the evils of everyone except Israel.  My only goal is to achieve some balance and not allow a steady drum beat of unbalanced anti Israel propaganda here.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 04:09 AM

View Postand then, on 16 April 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:

I haven't said otherwise.  On the contrary, it is many others here who focus exclusively on the wrongs committed by Israel while completely absolving any action of the Palestinians as justified.  One does not need to be biased to see that.  And finally, there were large numbers of Palestinians who DID celebrate the Fogel murders.  My comments were in answer to XingWi's post and I feel it was the correct response as he seems to be one of those who dismiss the evils of everyone except Israel.  My only goal is to achieve some balance and not allow a steady drum beat of unbalanced anti Israel propaganda here.

Just curious...

Do you ever re-read what you wrote?

It is extremely bias to the extreme.  An extremist point of view.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 04:17 AM

View Postacidhead, on 16 April 2013 - 04:09 AM, said:

Just curious...

Do you ever re-read what you wrote?

It is extremely bias to the extreme.  An extremist point of view.
AH you're losing it these days.  Why so personal, man?  We've had our disagreements before but never so vicious.  What's up?

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 04:25 AM

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AH you're losing it these days.  Why so personal, man?  We've had our disagreements before but never so vicious.  What's up?

ha... you're trying to butter me up.... won't work bro.

I've always called you on your self-proclaimed extreme christian-zionist point of view.  You know I find it collectively destructive.

Let's not kid yourself.  The archive is proof.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 08:00 AM

View Postacidhead, on 16 April 2013 - 04:25 AM, said:

ha... you're trying to butter me up.... won't work bro.

I've always called you on your self-proclaimed extreme christian-zionist point of view.  You know I find it collectively destructive.

Let's not kid yourself.  The archive is proof.
As I said, we've had our disagreements - in fact, MOST of the time but you never got 'round to being vicious, so what set you off?  And if someone was going off on you in this way, how would YOU like it?  It's rude, it's, to use your words "extreme" and it's uncalled for.  The fact that my being a Christian Zionist makes you sick is immaterial to me.  You don't understand that while it is a vile label to you, I actually wear it with pride and it has nothing at all to do with the hatred you attach to it.  That seems to be your biggest flaw - you cannot conceive of being wrong about anything in your world view.  Must be a grand life.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:46 AM

View Postand then, on 16 April 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:

I haven't said otherwise.  On the contrary, it is many others here who focus exclusively on the wrongs committed by Israel while completely absolving any action of the Palestinians as justified.  One does not need to be biased to see that.  And finally, there were large numbers of Palestinians who DID celebrate the Fogel murders.  My comments were in answer to XingWi's post and I feel it was the correct response as he seems to be one of those who dismiss the evils of everyone except Israel.  My only goal is to achieve some balance and not allow a steady drum beat of unbalanced anti Israel propaganda here.

None are justified but how can you compare?  How can you compare the horrors conducted by representatives of a Govt which claims to be a bastion of civilised democracy, against a bunch of local radicals (one was even arrested previously by the Palestinian Authority) angered by the constant intrusion of settlers on their land?

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