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#16    Sakari

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 02:24 AM

View PostLeah G., on 19 May 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

Hahahhaa, who feeds who??? And you think they aren't smarter... silly person... We are their shepherds, they are our teachers of unconditional love.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 03:29 AM

View PostSakari, on 19 May 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

They are smarter :)

That is why they do not make the same mistakes....


View PostLeah G., on 19 May 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

Hahahhaa, who feeds who??? And you think they aren't smarter... silly person... We are their shepherds, they are our teachers of unconditional love.

Haha I know what you guys are saying. Animals are definitely smart, smarter than a lot of people give them credit for, especially their emotions.    As a kid, our cat would always protect my little sister from my bullying.

I guess there are two ways to look at it: What's smarter?, Being able to build bridges and building etc. or not destroying bridges and building. I know which one I like more.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 03:57 AM

View PostSakari, on 19 May 2013 - 01:07 AM, said:

How many wars have dogs caused?....How many toxins do Dogs put in the earth?
Either way, I can show a thousand things like above.....I no I can not find much that is negative for dogs...

Dogs that bite and kill things do it to eat, protection, rabid, or were neglected and hurt by a person.

I am an abolitionist, I don't think it is ethically right to treat non-human animals as property. Pets are a tricky category. I think it is ethically right to care for stray or abandoned pets, since we have domesticated them to suit our needs I think we bear some responsibility towards them.  

That said, it is easy to anthropomorphize animals, especially pets. Sure they exhibit basic emotions like fear and sadness, but beyond that it gets messy. I think most pet owners could give examples where they believe their pets exhibited more complex emotions like guilt or shame, but I think that's because we have conditioned them with scoldings.

As far as philosophy and the law is concerned, homo sapiens is the only species that is a moral agent.

"Traditionally, only rational human beings can be moral agents, for they must hold responsibility for their actions. Marginal human beings, such as children and brain-damaged people, are not regarded as having moral responsibility for their behavior, and hence are not moral agents. However, they are still the objects of moral consideration and are protected from suffering by moral laws. Accordingly they are referred to as moral patients."

I submit that animals should also be classified as moral patients. Sometimes, the law is an ass.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 04:09 AM

View Postredhen, on 19 May 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

I am an abolitionist, I don't think it is ethically right to treat non-human animals as property. Pets are a tricky category. I think it is ethically right to care for stray or abandoned pets, since we have domesticated them to suit our needs I think we bear some responsibility towards them.  

That said, it is easy to anthropomorphize animals, especially pets. Sure they exhibit basic emotions like fear and sadness, but beyond that it gets messy. I think most pet owners could give examples where they believe their pets exhibited more complex emotions like guilt or shame, but I think that's because we have conditioned them with scoldings.

As far as philosophy and the law is concerned, homo sapiens is the only species that is a moral agent.

"Traditionally, only rational human beings can be moral agents, for they must hold responsibility for their actions. Marginal human beings, such as children and brain-damaged people, are not regarded as having moral responsibility for their behavior, and hence are not moral agents. However, they are still the objects of moral consideration and are protected from suffering by moral laws. Accordingly they are referred to as moral patients."

I submit that animals should also be classified as moral patients. Sometimes, the law is an ass.


Your problem here.....

" pet owners "......

Sorry, I feel that these are gifts to us, they find us. They give us, and teach us ( those willing to listen ) un conditional love.

We do not own them, they do not own us.....We share something special.

As I said, some are lucky enough to experience this, some never do.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 05:50 AM

I don't like when people keep animals as property, like someone buying a dog just so it can be a guard dog. But I've always considered my pets to be family. If one of my pets died I would be devastated.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 12:53 PM

View PostSakari, on 19 May 2013 - 04:09 AM, said:

Your problem here.....
" pet owners "......

You're right, I should have said guardians.

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Sorry, I feel that these are gifts to us, they find us. They give us, and teach us ( those willing to listen ) un conditional love.

We do not own them, they do not own us.....We share something special.

As I said, some are lucky enough to experience this, some never do.

Agreed, on all counts.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 12:55 PM

View PostDKO, on 19 May 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

I don't like when people keep animals as property, like someone buying a dog just so it can be a guard dog.

I agree. There is a neighbour here who thinks his dog is a lawn ornament. He keeps it chained up on his front lawn, 24 hrs/365 days a year. The worst part is, the SPCA Act says that's just fine.


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:14 PM

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Dogs that bite and kill things do it to eat, protection, rabid, or were neglected and hurt by a person.

You could say the same about people if you wanted to. And you can find tons of youtube videos showing dogs attacking something or people doing really great, loving things.  I think most dogs are great! Some are definitely better than some people. Some, many? But not all.

But yah, this isn't a people vs. dog topic. I certainly wasn't making it one.

And my comment wasn't particularly to you either, Sakari, just a general thing. I see a lot of people who HATE the human race as a whole, and I dislike generalizations. They're usually wrong.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:21 PM

View PostPurplos, on 25 May 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

You could say the same about people if you wanted to. And you can find tons of youtube videos showing dogs attacking something or people doing really great, loving things.  I think most dogs are great! Some are definitely better than some people. Some, many? But not all.

But yah, this isn't a people vs. dog topic. I certainly wasn't making it one.

And my comment wasn't particularly to you either, Sakari, just a general thing. I see a lot of people who HATE the human race as a whole, and I dislike generalizations. They're usually wrong.


I know your comment was not at me. I just take these things real personal, as it is near and dear to my heart.

And people kill  for pleasure, and greed, and by polluting....Sorry, had to through that in :)

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