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#46    Gromdor

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:01 PM

And old co-worker of mine is a sovereign citizen,  I had to listen to a whole spiel on how all the laws don't apply because of a technicality between nautical and civil law and even if they did, they didn't because all Americans were declared enemies of the state back during the great depression to allow the passage of the social security law.  He sold Liberty Dollars and buried bullets in 10 gallon buckets in his backyard for the "revolution".  He wasn't a Christian though, he believed that the nephilium were aliens that brought us here as clones to mine gold.  Mind you, he doesn't run around blurting all this out.  You actually had to talk to him and have somewhat of a pro-libertarian mindset before he would open up to you.  His brothers were of the same mind, but didn't invest the effort into hoarding bullets or gold.  He isn't really alone over here in Iowa either, they have their own network and even militia.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:51 AM

View PostGromdor, on 04 January 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

And old co-worker of mine is a sovereign citizen,  I had to listen to a whole spiel on how all the laws don't apply because of a technicality between nautical and civil law and even if they did, they didn't because all Americans were declared enemies of the state back during the great depression to allow the passage of the social security law.  He sold Liberty Dollars and buried bullets in 10 gallon buckets in his backyard for the "revolution".  He wasn't a Christian though, he believed that the nephilium were aliens that brought us here as clones to mine gold.  Mind you, he doesn't run around blurting all this out.  You actually had to talk to him and have somewhat of a pro-libertarian mindset before he would open up to you.  His brothers were of the same mind, but didn't invest the effort into hoarding bullets or gold.  He isn't really alone over here in Iowa either, they have their own network and even militia.

There are quite a lot who,overtly or covertly, subscribe to the same thing. Their problem is once they start their "big revolution" they will be a few thousand against many millions. And it will go under as the harebrained uprising. The only problem I see is that they will furnish a good excuse to change some laws, for which those that have nothing to do with it will pay.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

View PostParacelse, on 31 December 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Being a libertarian at heat (see Etienne de la Boetie, discourse on voluntary servitude) I understand what you are saying but on the other end, isn't choosing god over a governement a leap towards an other extreme?

Id choose God over government everytime. If that makes me extreme, so be it. Though I must be about the most boring extremist on the planet.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

Haha :no:   http://www.ajc.com/n...gunshots/nTnGR/  :gun:


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:03 PM

If they don't like America, move somewhere else.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:05 PM

View PostHasina, on 06 January 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

If they don't like America, move somewhere else.

Problem is they would rather forcibly force their version of America on everybody else

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:06 PM

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Problem is they would rather forcibly force their version of America on everybody else
Guess that Bill of Rights means nothing to them. If an American feels they have to 'force' a view on someone, they're not an American, IMO. You inform and let them come to their own conclusion.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:19 AM

View PostHasina, on 06 January 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

Guess that Bill of Rights means nothing to them. If an American feels they have to 'force' a view on someone, they're not an American, IMO. You inform and let them come to their own conclusion.

Problem is the Bill of right and the constitution meant nothing to most elected officials in the country since November 1963,

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:49 AM

true.... Kennedy got wacked and the **** hit the fan

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:30 AM

View PostParacelse, on 30 December 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Then you aggree that 20 000 people could die and it would be OK??? I don't wanna know who your god is.
What the Cathars did was detestable but God never instructed them to do it.  Interesting quote though.. I've often heard the refrain "kill'em all, let God sort'em out"  I wonder if this was the beginning of that?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:35 AM

View PostHasina, on 06 January 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

If they don't like America, move somewhere else.
they keep threatening to come to Australia.
Speaking as an Australian ... "we dont want em".


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:08 PM

View Postand then, on 10 January 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

What the Cathars did was detestable but God never instructed them to do it.  Interesting quote though.. I've often heard the refrain "kill'em all, let God sort'em out"  I wonder if this was the beginning of that?
Look what the Cathars did may seems detestable to you but it is strange that St Bernard (who technically should be closer to your perspectives) said there were differences between them and christian but they lived by rules that were closer to god than most christians.
Now according to some sources Arnaud Amory said that the day of the battle of Beziers:

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In 1204, he was named a papal legate and inquisitor and was sent by Innocent III with Peter of Castelnau and Arnoul to attempt the conversion of the Albigensians. Failing in this, he distinguished himself by the zeal with which he incited men by his preaching to the crusade against them. He was in charge of the crusader army that sacked Béziers in 1209.[2] There, according to the Cistercian writer Caesar of Heisterbach, Arnaul Amalric supposedly responded when asked by a Crusader how to distinguish the Cathars from the Catholics,
Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius (Kill them all. For the Lord knoweth them that are His.)


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