Proof of Extraterrestrial Visitation

[ufojockey]

It has been said that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation to Earth. Roswell, the sacred cow of Ufology is a collection of half truths and wishful thinking.

Present day abductees were visited by fairies and succubi in days gone by. Seeing strange lights in the sky is just that....seeing strange lights in the sky.

I am looking for proof that we have been visited. If you have such proof or can put me in touch with someone who can, please leave an email at my website www.audiomartini.com

Rick

[indeed]

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...opic=49619&st=0

Start here ... only 35 pages to go

We have an identical thread running ATM

[Pannkakskungen]

Yeah, look there, loads of BS, insults and the occasional piece of information.

[Lilly]

To my knowledge, there exists no such proof. However, the concept that such an event may be possible seems to be gaining ground, at least in the opinion of some.

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Pick up any good science magazine and you’re sure to see the latest in head-scratching ideas about superstring theory, wormholes, or the stretching of spacetime itself. Meanwhile, extrasolar planetary detection is on the verge of becoming mundane.

"We are in the curious situation today that our best modern physics and astrophysics theories predict that we should be experiencing extraterrestrial visitation, yet any possible evidence of such lurking in the UFO phenomenon is scoffed at within our scientific community," contends astrophysicist Bernard Haisch.

[Bio-Mage]

If the proof was that easily available we would not be here in an Unexplained Mysteries forum talking about it.

Have some common sense if nothing else...

Edited September 16, 2005 by Bio-Mage

[DBunker]

I,like most of us here would LOVE to watch the news one day and BOOOM! !

Finaly!

But till then.....well you know the rest.

[Cebrakon]

It has been said that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation to Earth. Roswell, the sacred cow of Ufology is a collection of half truths and wishful thinking.

Present day abductees were visited by fairies and succubi in days gone by. Seeing strange lights in the sky is just that....seeing strange lights in the sky.

I am looking for proof that we have been visited. If you have such proof or can put me in touch with someone who can, please leave an email at my website www.audiomartini.com     

Rick

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Email? Why not let the world know? The proof is in the study of encounters with landed occupants. In these cases, it is easy to rule out alternatives, such as secret military craft, swamp gas, Venus, UFO psychosis, and so forth. The classic book on the subject is The Humanoids, edited by Charles Bowen, published in 1969. Yep, way back in 1969, we already knew everything we are likely to ever know about our star traveling humanoid visitors. This book is out of print, but crucial passages are found in UFOs, PSI and Spiritual Evolution, (March 2005). The earliest version (which lacks the best chapters) was published by The Flying Saucer Review. Look them up on the web, go to their site, find their past issues, scroll to the end, and there it is, The Humanoids, available for $15 USD. Cheap. You won't regret it.

Cheers! Cebrakon.

[Charlie_0978]

It has been said that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation to Earth. Roswell, the sacred cow of Ufology is a collection of half truths and wishful thinking.

Present day abductees were visited by fairies and succubi in days gone by. Seeing strange lights in the sky is just that....seeing strange lights in the sky.

I am looking for proof that we have been visited. If you have such proof or can put me in touch with someone who can, please leave an email at my website www.audiomartini.com     

Rick

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Trust no one Mr. Mulder.

[starman2003]

It has been said that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation to Earth. Roswell, the sacred cow of Ufology is a collection of half truths and wishful thinking.

845647[/snapback]

Ironically one reason I believe Roswell was an ET craft is the idiocy of official "exlanations" to the contary e.g. the claim that alien bodies seen in 1947 were 1950s crash dummies. It is true, as Randle noted, that the Roswell subject is awash with disinformation e.g. Corso's book. But, as T. Good pointed out: "It is important to stress that there would be no point in disinformation if there was nothing to cover up."

[Pannkakskungen]

True, but the cover up had nothing to do with hiding aliens. That which the cover up applied to was the Mogul project, a top secret project to monitor nuclear tests in the USSR by using high flying balloons.

[starman2003]

  The classic book on the subject is The Humanoids, edited by Charles Bowen, published in 1969.  Yep, way back in 1969, we already knew everything we are likely to ever know about our star traveling humanoid visitors. 

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For the time being, maybe. But oneday we may know as much as the government.

[starman2003]

True, but the cover up had nothing to do with hiding aliens. That which the cover up applied to was the Mogul project, a top secret project to monitor nuclear tests in the USSR by using high flying balloons.

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Honestly I don't think an intelligence officer like Marcel sr would've been fooled by mundane balloon wreckage. So what if there were 23 balloons instead of one, the material would've been still easily identifiable, with none of the strange properties or writing reported by witnesses. And Mogul obviously didn't involve occupants or crash dummies. Mogul was the cover for an ET craft.

[IamUnexplained]

there is no solid proof for this or just about anything else that is still unexplained. there are only stories and opinions. however if it was proved, you would know the next day as it would probably be in every newspaper across the world.

[Unforgiven]

thier's on "solid" proof because the people who have the evidence [ie: the US Military] deny existence with cover stories and BS.

[starman2003]

thier's on "solid" proof because the people who have the evidence [ie: the US Military] deny existence with cover stories and BS.

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Exactly, after they confiscated every bit of the evidence.

[starman2003]

And there IS other evidence such as landing traces.

[Lilly]

The confusion here seems to lie with with denotes "proof". From a scientific stand point one does not consider observation of *something*, anecdotal stories, allegations of conspiracy or physical evidence that is not definitive (ie something that could have a variety of explanations) to equal "proof". At this point in time, there just isn't sufficient data (let alone, "proof") to come to the conclusion that UFOs are of alien origin.

[Blazea58]

At this point in time, there just isn't sufficient data (let alone, "proof") to come to the conclusion that UFOs are of alien origin.

851051[/snapback]

Then what else would Ufo's be classified? If we found another life on another planet, they would see us as aliens to them, thats just how it works, no?

Ufos do not use our technology so its obvious they don't come from earth , atleast thats my opinion. There are endless amounts of government documents detailing, discribing, and examining cases fully in depth to the point where you have yourself convinced.

They cant be lies, since they were already hidden from the public initially to begin with, then later declassified or demanded from the Foi act.

We have proof, its just we don't have access to it as the general public.

Of course you won't see any headlines in the newspaper stating they have found solid proof, why because then they waste their millions of dollers they have put into covering everything up and giving us explanations as bad as military flares

[Unforgiven]

I wonder what the cover story would be if a UFO landed outside New York Times HQ?

[Lilly]

I wonder what the cover story would be if a UFO landed outside New York Times HQ?

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If this were to happen then a cover story would be useless. There would be thousands of witnesses and a great deal of clear video tape footage. Also, if this were to happen the aliens themselves would be making themselves public...that would be impossible to keep under wraps. I seriously doubt anybody could "cover up" any advanced ETs that desire to go public!

But, nothing like this has ever happened. There is no clear video, thousands may have seen unknown ariel phenomena, but not during one incident, and certainly not a landed space craft in the center of a major city! Frankly, something tangible like this is what will be needed to prove the claim that UFOs are alien space craft. Just seeing *something* isn't going to cut it, as the *something* could have any number of explanations other than ET. Black ops aircraft, misidentification of celestial phenomena and terrestrial aircraft come easily to mind.

Government secrecy certainly exists...but does it exist to cover up ET, or to cover up military black operations aircraft? If someone saw the SR71 Blackbird (before it was declassified) would this have been considered as proof for ET? What about a conspiracy to keep proof from the masses? With this type of thinking, I could say that there exists proof for any number of things, just that someone is keeping such proof hidden. There is a zero possibility for corroboration with this line of thought. Basically, invoking conspiracy is not of much use when looking for tangible evidence.

Bottom line, there is no proof that UFOs are ET space craft. The concept in and of itself isn't impossible but it hasn't been proven to be reality either.

[SurfX805]

It has been said that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation to Earth. Roswell, the sacred cow of Ufology is a collection of half truths and wishful thinking.

Present day abductees were visited by fairies and succubi in days gone by. Seeing strange lights in the sky is just that....seeing strange lights in the sky.

I am looking for proof that we have been visited. If you have such proof or can put me in touch with someone who can, please leave an email at my website www.audiomartini.com     

Rick

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here. read this. it's a trip...

This is the best part of John Lear's radio interview with Art Bell:

John Lear's Disclosure Briefing

As presented on the 11/2/03 show:

Art Bell: Let's say the government chose me. They were going to use me as an outlet to release this information. Let's just say they did that and they took me to a briefing. Then what John?

John Lear: They whisk you to Washington, DC, you get limo-ed to this building, beautiful building, you go up into this room. They say, 'Art, you're the guy and if you give us the go ahead, we are gonna release everything we know to the public. If you decide to go ahead, all major networks will be provided with information on all aspects of the cover up and no type of information will be withheld. Because of the deal for immunity for all participants of the cover up provides that nothing, no artifacts, no piece of information be withheld.'

So here's what happened, Art. We'll use some videos and stills. Our first UFO recoveries were in the late '30s. We made a couple in the beginning of the '40s and then came Roswell, which the public found out about. We got 2 live aliens from Roswell. One died shortly there after and one lived till 1956. And we found out so far there are 18 different alien species that we know about monitoring Earth. Some are good and some are hostile, most are indifferent. We found out that we are the experimental product, if you will, of an alien race who we never met and we don't know who they are. All we know is that the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There's been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for the experiments. But nothing's been proven or determined.

Since 1938 we've lost over 200 aircraft due to UFO hostilities and thousands of soldiers in all kinds of different actions with aliens. Since that time several hundred thousand civilians have disappeared with no trace. Several thousand of those were eliminated by us because of their chance encounters with the aliens which we could ill afford to have publicized.

A slightly more frightening phenomena known as "human mutilations" have occurred on a regular basis and are similar to "cattle mutilations". In that the human or humans are taken from the street, so to speak, and returned to the same area about 45 minutes to an hour later with their rectums cored out, their genitals removed, eyes removed from their sockets, and completely drained of blood. In all cases it appeared that the mutilation procedures occurred while the persons were still alive and conscious. One of our scientists speculates that apparently the human specimens had to be alive for the samples to be worth anything. Abductions occur on a daily basis throughout the United States to at least 10% of the population.

When we were first made aware this we protested to the little grey being we had held in captivity at the YY-2 facility in Los Alamos, but a deal was struck that in exchange for advanced technology from the aliens we would allow them to abduct a very small number of persons and we would periodically be given a list of those persons abducted. We got something less than the technology we bargained for and found the abductions exceeded by a million fold than what we had naively agreed to.

In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards Airforce Base. This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology.

At this point it became apparent to all involved that there was no such thing as a God, at least how the public perceives God. Certainly some form of computer recorder stores information and an occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a religious event. This so unnerved Eisenhower that he had "In God We Trust" put on paper money and coins and put in the Pledge of Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God. Shortly after this it was determined in meetings between the US and the Russians that the situation was serious enough that a cold war should be manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from UFOs towards some other scary threat like the H-bomb. It was also decided to keep the ruse secret from any elected or appointed officials within both the US and Russian governments as it took so long to vet these officials and the ruse was easier to manage if the top people didn't know about it.

In the late 1950's NASA was formed to compartmentalize, containerize, and sanitize information from all space platforms and vehicles. We sold NASA to the public claiming that all information would belong to them but they got very little and even that was highly sanitized.

Our first efforts were to keep the public from learning about Venus. A very similar planet to Earth and it's population is very similar to us just technologically advanced. We have learned a lot from them starting with the Russian Venera 1 and US Mariner 2, we made Venus look like a lead melting, volcanic surface, spewing sulfuric acid into a pressurized atmosphere 90 times that of Earth. And as often the case we over did it and we wondered why nobody asked how a parachute survived a descent into 800-degree air. We set up operations in Pine Gap, Australia to preclude any prying eyes figuring out what we were up to. We regularly eliminated through extreme prejudice anybody who was part of the operation and made the least little tiny threat about disclosure or dissatisfaction with the operation. Any space mission that included Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Mariner, Voyager, Clementine, and all the rest. All data initially came transmitted to Pine Gap then it was relayed to JPL or wherever after sanitizing. We had a little trouble with amateur radio operators but we figured out how they could intercept these signals but we managed to deal with that.

When the Russian threat began to fade we introduced Vietnam which kept the public occupied for over ten years. The cover up and personnel to run the operation began to get bigger and bigger and required more and more money. We were forced to inflate the defense budget, which soon not enough. Then we got into the drug business which was still not enough. We were the ones that looted the savings and loan industry and Wall Street to boot. It is so out of control now most people want immunity and want out. But there is so much secrecy and so many double and triple blinds in place that it's unlikely that this thing can ever be dismantled. And even if you give us the go ahead to spill the beans to the public it's unlikely they will get anything more than "yes, we recovered a flying saucer and yes, there was an occupant" but that's all we're gonna tell ya.

So go ahead and roll the tape for Mr. Bell. What you see here are what human mutilations look like. That one was a male about 27 years old. That one is film of dead aliens being pulled from the wreckage of a craft that crashed in Olancha, California in the '50s. That craft you see over there was over 250ft. in diameter and had to be buried on the spot. That site is in Utah near Dugway Proving Grounds. The object you're looking at now is the as the Kecksburg Acorn which was brought to Wright Patt in the middle '60s. There's Frank Drake trying to force information out of a being tied down to a stretcher. He was supposedly from Tao Ceti.

These pictures you're looking at now are structures on the Moon. That's the tower in Sinus Medii and it's over seven miles tall. And that thing over there is what we call the Colossus of Oguram(sp) in Mare Crisium. We don't know what it does but the machine itself is bigger than Brooklyn, New York. Now those are videos of the domes covering the craters. As you can see, some are in a very advanced state of decay.

These are 5 second slides of the 18 different alien species we are looking at. That one there is the most gruesome looking. The guards at one facility are carefully indoctrinated over several months being shown pictures similar to but not exactly like the alien. Only when he'd been acclimatized, so to speak, of the horrible looking beings are they allowed to stand in security positions. Before these acclimatizations were done, we had two guards die of a heart attack as the aliens came down the hallway unexpectedly.

And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination. You've heard of the second gunman theory? Well, this is the second camera that recorded exactly what happened and we had 4 gunmen. And the bottom line was that Kennedy had to go. He insisted on releasing what little alien information we had told him about and he was trying to withdraw troops from Vietnam which we were using as a diversion for the public. After Kennedy we never told any President anything. Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952. That's how we knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the alien bodies we had in storage there.

And that's about it. What say you Art Bell? Do we brief the public? Yay or nay?"

--Special thanks to "Spaceprophet" of Fantastic Forum who provided this transcription.

[theSOURCE]

John Lear is a total nutcase and a waste of time. He's about as reliable as the Weekly World News.