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#46    Michelle

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 03:04 AM

View PostFurthurBB, on 19 June 2013 - 02:40 AM, said:


Where I live neither convience stores or fast food restaurants pay minimum wage.  I am not saying that is the case everywhere because I don't know that.

They don't here either because no one will take the jobs, even on a two week trial basis with the promise of a fairly hefty wage increase at the end of the two weeks.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 03:11 AM

View PostFurthurBB, on 19 June 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

Yes, it does and in more ways than one.  I truthfully have not shopped at Walmart in over 10 years after I saw an offensive commercial and thought I do not need to support a company whose values I do not believe in, especially when there are many other places to shop for the toiletries, paper products, cleaning products, etc as these were the only things I ever bought there.  It hasn't hurt me one bit.

I looked into places like Family Dollar, Dollar General Stores and Big Lots. The only problem was when it comes to wages, benefits and profits...they didn't seem to be any better in the long run than Walmart, but on a slightly smaller scale.

We can preach about not buying things made in sweat shops or quality and all that, but really...if you want to buy Charmin toilet paper does it matter where you get the best bargain when it comes right down to it?

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 03:14 AM

In 1950 the minimum wage was $0.75, that would be $28.56 (in 2010). 90% of Americans make less than this. The problem is plain old greed by the business people in the world today. They could give a *%#$ less if their employees make less than cost of living as long as they can buy their yachts and summer homes on the beach.

There would be little need of gov't help if corporations paid the heart and souls of the companies what they are worth.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 04:25 AM

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In 1950 the minimum wage was $0.75, that would be $28.56 (in 2010). 90% of Americans make less than this. The problem is plain old greed by the business people in the world today. They could give a *%#$ less if their employees make less than cost of living as long as they can buy their yachts and summer homes on the beach.

There would be little need of gov't help if corporations paid the heart and souls of the companies what they are worth.

GOV intervention is the problem.. not corporations.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 04:32 AM

I don't understand why America doesn't have a higher minimum wage. It works in Australia, albeit our products are more expensive as a result.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 04:33 AM

Walmart is costing the tax payers millions when they get all these tax breaks,these laws must change
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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:35 AM

View PostPurifier, on 18 June 2013 - 10:33 PM, said:

Most hardcore capitalist will tell you, that if your not making enough at Wally World, "either get a higher paying job or get a second  job to make up the rest of your needed income." Especially in the case of; "instead of going to the welfare office and getting food stamps to make up the rest."

Anyway, this is what I've heard.

So anybody got a good counter argument against that? Because I haven't found one yet.








Well actually, some fast food restaurants like McDonalds pay a little more. I recall one of my kids starting out around $8 dollars an hour, with her first job at that restaurant. Don't know about the convenience stores though, it would be interesting to collect data across the nation to see what all of their starting pay is. I'd be willing to bet that not all of them start with the minimum wage. I think it has to do with the amount people who are willing and available to work for low wages, like college kids, seniors and so on. If not enough are available or willing, then those places probably start raising their starting pay a little to get applicants.
Interestingly enough, I went in with 9 years retail experience, especially in the department they were hiring in. Told I would get minimum wage because "That's what the computer says you will start out at" is what I was told. I was so desperate for work I didn't argue, but found out later that younger less experienced were getting more than I was. It is unfair and can be manipulated.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:38 AM

View PostBama13, on 18 June 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

So evil Wal-Mart helped you make it through college to get a better job. Good for you! Good luck with your new job. Sorry you hate the company that helped make it possible.
Easy to mistake that. I am lucky in the fact that my husband makes enough to support the family while I pursue my degree. Most of the workers as I stated before are low income families, divorcees, elderly and single moms.
Never said I hated them. Just don't think they are fair with handing out the paycheck.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:10 AM

View Postthewild, on 19 June 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

Interestingly enough, I went in with 9 years retail experience, especially in the department they were hiring in. Told I would get minimum wage because "That's what the computer says you will start out at" is what I was told. I was so desperate for work I didn't argue, but found out later that younger less experienced were getting more than I was. It is unfair and can be manipulated.

I don't doubt they've screwed some people over, I mean after all...they got the crap sued out of them a while back (a little over five years ago i think), for backpay on the "working through break time and lunch issue" just about all the employees got a little extra paycheck one year.

But yeah I knew about the pay scale system they had setup in their data programs and how it worked, had a chat with a Co-Manager about it once upon a time. She told me it depends on the type of job you had before and how much experience you have. But in your case, sounds like that wasn't the case afterall. But here's the thing, it also depends on which dept. your working in; about the pay rates I mean. They're different in each department. If you working in let's say the electronic dept., getting payed minimum wage and found out about a younger person whose working in let's say the TLE dept., is getting more than the minimum wage, that employee is going to be making a little more than you just because of the dept. he/she is working in. In other words, some departments have different pay rates because of the type of work involved. Not sure if that was the case here, though, concerning you. Were these two less experience employees working in the same dept. as you? And if so? Did you talk to the home office in Bentonville, AR. about it? Not like that would probably have done you any good, but you never know if you hadn't.

And I don't know why they tell their employees not to tell other employees about what they're getting paid. Right! Like that discussion between employees is not gonna happen. *roll eyes*




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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:20 AM

View PostPurifier, on 19 June 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:

And I don't know why they tell their employees not to tell other employees about what they're getting paid. Right! Like that discussion between employees is not gonna happen.

As an employer I will tell you that when all the grown men who work for me yap to each other about their wage they turn into little girls. That particular subject has caused more problems than any other single thing. In my business some people mistake tenure to mean they should get paid more but the reality is that skills are what it's based on.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 05:17 PM

View Postjugoso, on 18 June 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

Even if it costs YOU 6,000$ a year to make such a profit?? I don´t despise Walmart because they make a profit but for all the loop-holes they use to avoid paying benefits.

Then you should despise the lawmakers that wrote the laws with the "loopholes". "Loophole" is a popular buzzword for a perfectly legal action.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 05:20 PM

View PostMichelle, on 19 June 2013 - 03:04 AM, said:

They don't here either because no one will take the jobs, even on a two week trial basis with the promise of a fairly hefty wage increase at the end of the two weeks.

Really? Well I can tell you that in Alabama, Florida, and Georgia they do. At least in every fast food restaurant I ever worked in (10 years in management, not counting working while in HS and college, probably another 2.5 to 3 yrs). Every hourly employee started out at minimum.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 05:23 PM

View Postcoolguy, on 19 June 2013 - 04:33 AM, said:

Walmart is costing the tax payers millions when they get all these tax breaks,these laws must change
Walmart is the evil empire.

No. The government is incompetent, Wal-Mart isn't. Most people do all they can to lower their taxes. Some do it better than others. That doesn't make any of them evil.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 05:26 PM

View PostThickasaBrick, on 19 June 2013 - 03:14 AM, said:

In 1950 the minimum wage was $0.75, that would be $28.56 (in 2010). 90% of Americans make less than this. The problem is plain old greed by the business people in the world today. They could give a *%#$ less if their employees make less than cost of living as long as they can buy their yachts and summer homes on the beach.

There would be little need of gov't help if corporations paid the heart and souls of the companies what they are worth.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 05:34 PM

View PostF3SS, on 19 June 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

As an employer I will tell you that when all the grown men who work for me yap to each other about their wage they turn into little girls. That particular subject has caused more problems than any other single thing. In my business some people mistake tenure to mean they should get paid more but the reality is that skills are what it's based on.

I'm pretty sure that sucks for you, F3SS. And men are just the same like old women when they get to talking, by that I mean in gossiping and digging for info. But you know it's bound to happen and it's just one of those things that comes along with being an employer. Because Sheetrock Dan is liable to hear Roofer Joe brag about his new boat and wonder how Roofer Joe could afford such a thing when Sheetrock Dan hasn't been able to even afford another riding lawnmower yet. Sheetrock Dan may ask him if Roofer Joe "got it on credit" and Roofer Joe may say "no, I paid for it in full". And then before you know it, Sheetrock Dan eventually manipulates the details out of Roofer Joe into admitting his take home pay and figures out how much he's getting payed per hour, job salary or commision-based salary. Then before you know it, here comes Roofer Dan asking you for a raise. You might give it to him just to shut him up or keep him from quitting, if he's worth it, or you might might not and start looking at applications again just in case. But if you do give Sheetrock Dan the raise, you suspect Roofer Dan is gonna be feeling not so special when he finds out about it and then before you know it, he comes to you asking for a raise just to feel special again. Aaah, the endless circle of employee probabilities. It gets you every time, it never ends.

It's a pain and on that part of being a business owner, I don't envy you, F3SS. But you know it comes with the territory and this is such a common thing now, that even game designers put these type of situations into computer-based business simulation games in one type of probability or another; when working with fake employees. Of course it's not quite the same in real life but that just shows you how common it is and a well known situation of being a real employer.

That's why I wonder why they (Wal-Mart) even bother, telling their employees not to mention their pay rate to other employees, those other employees are gonna find out one way or another, either by accident or out of curiosity. Makes no difference, F3SS...that's all I'm saying.

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