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[prometheuslocke]

Hasina, on 23 February 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

Or in this case:

Disagree with me?

You're being mind controlled!

From the meme you have posted it seems clear to me that you know of the hidden alien involvement.  Your disinformation plan to make me look funny because of another man's hair do is transparent.  We all know you know.  Please, next time, try to use facts instead of humor to discredit the obvious truth.

/sarcasm

[Quaentum]

prometheuslocke, on 23 February 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

Or you could research more and see that he has a standing court order in a state court because of this evidence.  Further, it's been picked up and dissected by many nationally syndicated news sources.  Do you think you, with your dazzling intellect and research skills, have figured out why a court, wired magazine, and numerous other sources "overlooked" something that "looks" modified?

Please.

Here is a write up about his court case:

http://rudy2.wordpre...-rep-jim-guest/

Of Importance is this short sentence:

"The outcome: The defendant failed to show up in court."

The reason it is important is it shows that a default judgement was made.  Default judgments only indicate that one party failed to show they say nothing about the validity of the claims made by the plaintiff.  No trial was held, no expert witnesses examined and no documentation introduced or examined by the court.  In other words, Walbert did not prove anything.

One of the links you provided:

http://www.indiegogo.com/jameswalbert

Did you watch the video at all?  His motivation was not that he was implanted with rfid chips but his patent from 2005 for a can cover for soda cans.  His claims as to the crime against him were a brochure and writeup from a private detective agency and the statement by Dr Hall that the MRI showed a foreign body that was an MRI tracking chip more than likely.  Dr John Hall is an MD but his profession is anesthesiologist.  They don't evaluate the MRI's because they don't have the in-depth training for it.

If you read down the page you find reference to doctor Hildegard Staninger.  She supposedly did blood work that verified it was an rfid chip.  This link http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1669899  leads to a page where someone did a good deal of research on the doctor and it seems as if the doctor may not be a doctor after all and certainly some of her awards are bogus.

Did you watch any of the videos of the detective running the scan?  If you did then you should have noticed that the antenna of the scanner had to be right up against Mr Walbert's skin and almost on top of the location to get a signal.  Also when the scanner is moved more than a few inches away from the spot it no longer picks up the signal.  This verifies the short range of the device (6 inches or less) and validates that the range is too short for it to have been a tracking device.

James Walbert never took the device to a lab to have it examined to see exactly what it was.  Something that would have to be done to verify it was an rfid chip since neither an MRI nor blood work will give that result.

As I said the MRI looks modified, the average person would know that it is not a statement of fact but how it appeared to me.

The media likes sensationalism and drama and sometimes they don't sufficiently research an article because it sells more copies that way.

It doesn't take a dazzling intellect, just the willingness to do real research and apply critical thinking the what you find.

[Quaentum]

prometheuslocke, on 23 February 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

You know nothing of the sort.  George Orwell did very much convey information about the future, you are just too mind controlled to see it.  At least you love Big Brother, Winston.

The only mind controlled people are the ones who swallow stories like this at face value without ever conducting real research or applying critical thinking to what they read.

[shrooma]

Quaentum, on 25 February 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

The only mind controlled people are the ones who swallow stories like this

.
believe me, NO-ONE's swallowing this.
(without the aid of powerful hallucinogens....)

[prometheuslocke]

Quaentum, on 25 February 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Here is a write up about his court case:

http://rudy2.wordpre...-rep-jim-guest/

Of Importance is this short sentence:

"The outcome: The defendant failed to show up in court."

The reason it is important is it shows that a default judgement was made.  Default judgments only indicate that one party failed to show they say nothing about the validity of the claims made by the plaintiff.  No trial was held, no expert witnesses examined and no documentation introduced or examined by the court.  In other words, Walbert did not prove anything.

One of the links you provided:

http://www.indiegogo.com/jameswalbert

Did you watch the video at all?  His motivation was not that he was implanted with rfid chips but his patent from 2005 for a can cover for soda cans.  His claims as to the crime against him were a brochure and writeup from a private detective agency and the statement by Dr Hall that the MRI showed a foreign body that was an MRI tracking chip more than likely.  Dr John Hall is an MD but his profession is anesthesiologist.  They don't evaluate the MRI's because they don't have the in-depth training for it.

If you read down the page you find reference to doctor Hildegard Staninger.  She supposedly did blood work that verified it was an rfid chip.  This link http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1669899  leads to a page where someone did a good deal of research on the doctor and it seems as if the doctor may not be a doctor after all and certainly some of her awards are bogus.

Did you watch any of the videos of the detective running the scan?  If you did then you should have noticed that the antenna of the scanner had to be right up against Mr Walbert's skin and almost on top of the location to get a signal.  Also when the scanner is moved more than a few inches away from the spot it no longer picks up the signal.  This verifies the short range of the device (6 inches or less) and validates that the range is too short for it to have been a tracking device.

James Walbert never took the device to a lab to have it examined to see exactly what it was.  Something that would have to be done to verify it was an rfid chip since neither an MRI nor blood work will give that result.

As I said the MRI looks modified, the average person would know that it is not a statement of fact but how it appeared to me.

The media likes sensationalism and drama and sometimes they don't sufficiently research an article because it sells more copies that way.

It doesn't take a dazzling intellect, just the willingness to do real research and apply critical thinking the what you find.

So you pull out of all of that one doctor, who you acknowledge is licensed, and say he is not qualified to read an MRI.  But you are.

Then, you pull one doctor out of this list:


Here are just a few professionals that are currently advocating for my case. Please goolge these professional as well to check for the "truth"

Politician David Larson, Elected Official to the County of San  Bernardino California .

Politician The Congressional Member Todd Tiahrt

Politician The State Rep Jim Guest

Private Investigator William J. Taylor

Private Investigator Melinda Kidder

Medical Professional, Dr John Hall MD.

Medical Professional, Hector Fernandez MD.

Medical Professional, Industrial Toxicologist REIT. Dr Hildegard Staninger.

Clinical Psychologist. MA. Cathy Meadows

And say she's not legitimate.  There's a long, long list there.

Further research might yield a significant number of other credible news agencies reporting on the case:
http://www.wired.com...that-mans-mind/
http://www.examiner....ired-to-survive
http://www.forteanti...ame_of_tag.html

There is another victim who has also found both a foreign body implant, and had a cancerous tumor surrounding it removed.  Also faked?
http://theintelhub.c...-microchipping/

It just makes no sense that you are all so sure it's not real. There's a significant amount of non-circumstantial evidence staring you in the face.

[Quaentum]

prometheuslocke, on 26 February 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

So you pull out of all of that one doctor, who you acknowledge is licensed, and say he is not qualified to read an MRI.  But you are.

As I said it was how it looked to me.  I never indicated I was qualified and your continued attempts to try to present it in that light are failed attempts to try to take the focus off the Walbert claims.

Do you realize that if you have an MRI done by your doctor or hospital, it is not the doctors treating you but radiologists that read and interpret the image.  This link has information about radiologists.  http://blog.remakehe...ads-my-MRI-scan

Since I don't know that you would actually read the page I have linked to, it basically says "A Radiologist is a doctor (MD) that has specialized in interpreting Radiology tests such as MRI, CT, Ultrasound, Mammogram, DEXA, PET, X-ray, and Nuclear Medicine. Some Radiologists (interventional Radiologists) also do procedures like angiograms and biopsies. It takes 6+ years after medical school to be trained and certified. Like many specialists Radiologists are board certified, in their case by the American Board of Radiology."  Dr Hall is not a radiologist so he is not qualified to read and interpret the MRI.

prometheuslocke said:

Then, you pull one doctor out of this list:

A doctor who may not be a doctor and who, by the way, in her letter which can be found here, http://www.deborahdu...Damages2010.pdf  says the foreign body is a "piezoelectric
generator" .  Something completely different from an rfid chip so even she and Dr Hall do not agree with what it is.

prometheuslocke said:

Here are just a few professionals that are currently advocating for my case. Please goolge these professional as well to check for the "truth"

Politician David Larson, Elected Official to the County of San  Bernardino California .

Politician The Congressional Member Todd Tiahrt

Politician The State Rep Jim Guest

Private Investigator William J. Taylor

Private Investigator Melinda Kidder

Medical Professional, Dr John Hall MD.

Medical Professional, Hector Fernandez MD.

Medical Professional, Industrial Toxicologist REIT. Dr Hildegard Staninger.

Clinical Psychologist. MA. Cathy Meadows

And say she's not legitimate.  There's a long, long list there.

The politicians are only there for legislation and can supply no evidence to support Mr Walberts claims.

The private detectives supposedly received a signal from devices implanted in him and though the video does seem to support it there was no independent verification of their findings.  Further, there is no indication of readings being taken from the supposed object after extraction

Of the 5 medical people, we have already thoroughly discussed two and their support for the evidence is unqualified and even contradictory.  The other two: Hector Fernandez who may have been the surgeon removing the foreign object and Cathy Meadows who I am sure did a psychological evaluation on Walbertcan not be found on the net, outside of Walbert's writings and those places that picked up his story indicating their involvement or conclusions.

prometheuslocke said:

Further research might yield a significant number of other credible news agencies reporting on the case:
http://www.wired.com...that-mans-mind/
http://www.examiner....ired-to-survive
http://www.forteanti...ame_of_tag.html

Wired and the Examiner merely picked up the story from Fortean Times, a magazine devoted to anomalous phenomena (It is not a news paper, news magazine or news agency).   If you can find papers or magazines, other than those cited, feel free to post the links and I will look at them, though I doubt you ill find any others.

prometheuslocke said:

There is another victim who has also found both a foreign body implant, and had a cancerous tumor surrounding it removed.  Also faked?
http://theintelhub.c...-microchipping/

Since there does not seem to be a connection between My Walbert and Mr Boyce, his story has no bearing on whether the claims of Mr Walbert are valid or not.  Perhaps we will examine Mr Boyce's claims later.  Of note is that on Mr Boyce's site he has scans of the actual medical documentation, something that Mr Walbert does not seem to have produced.

prometheuslocke said:

It just makes no sense that you are all so sure it's not real. There's a significant amount of non-circumstantial evidence staring you in the face.

It's not about surety, it's about taking a claim that is made and examining the evidence used to support the claim to determine the validity of the claim.  It matters not what the claim is, whether it's implants, buildings, the supernatural, etc...  If the evidence is shown to be valid then the claim can be said to be valid but if evidence is not accurate then it calls into question the validity of the claim.

[maxcred]

Nostrodamus did not identify Hitler by name. The word Nostrodamus used was Hister. That was the name of a river and not a reference to Hitler. And thanks for giving all the conpiracy theorists a new date for the end times. The year 2000 came and went with no end of the world and Dec. 12, 2012 came and went with no end of the world. I thought all the end times dates were used up now but here you come with 8/8/2016. Thanks.

[prometheuslocke]

maxcred, on 26 February 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Nostrodamus did not identify Hitler by name. The word Nostrodamus used was Hister. That was the name of a river and not a reference to Hitler. And thanks for giving all the conpiracy theorists a new date for the end times. The year 2000 came and went with no end of the world and Dec. 12, 2012 came and went with no end of the world. I thought all the end times dates were used up now but here you come with 8/8/2016. Thanks.

No problem!

[prometheuslocke]

@Quaentum, you do a wonderful job investigating.  

It looks to me like Boyce and Walbert are linked, if not because they appear next to each other on the same page, perhaps because they both affiliate themselves with the same group of individuals.  

Frankly, I'm a bit annoyed myself at the two doctors we discussed.  John Hall is also a victim, and has written a book about it.  The other doctors credentialing is obnoxious.  

That being said, I do not believe this is a large deceptive conspiracy on the part of Mr. Walbert.. so what other explanation would one come up with for the fact that there are two "shady" references?  Do you think he sought multiple opinions and only used the ones who were in agreement?  I would find that unlikely, but remotely possible.  I have a theory, on the other hand, that explains it well:

Satan.

[euroninja]

Revelation 22:18
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.


Revelation 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

[monk 56]

I'm known for my zany English humour, and find it humorous that Prometheuslocke has picked on 8th August 2016, which happens to be my birthday and i have a pentagram on my birth chart, eeek, ha ha! I might have 666 stamped on my butt?  LOL!!!!

http://www.mauricefe...&t=1989&start=0

I admit i'm a bit strange, but no whiff of brimstone ha ha!

Edited by monk 56, 27 February 2013 - 12:08 AM.

[Quaentum]

prometheuslocke, on 26 February 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

@Quaentum, you do a wonderful job investigating.  

It looks to me like Boyce and Walbert are linked, if not because they appear next to each other on the same page, perhaps because they both affiliate themselves with the same group of individuals.  

Frankly, I'm a bit annoyed myself at the two doctors we discussed.  John Hall is also a victim, and has written a book about it.  The other doctors credentialing is obnoxious.  

That being said, I do not believe this is a large deceptive conspiracy on the part of Mr. Walbert.. so what other explanation would one come up with for the fact that there are two "shady" references?  Do you think he sought multiple opinions and only used the ones who were in agreement?  I would find that unlikely, but remotely possible.  I have a theory, on the other hand, that explains it well:

Satan.

If I were to guess at why he used them, admitting I have no inside knowledge of why he does things, I would say it was to try to bolster his case for the lawsuit.  It is also possible, again just a guess on my part, that he may have done it to try to make some money.  It seems he has been looking for startup funding for a proposed company Kleen Kan (I think it's called), and he may have viewed a law suit as just the ticket to get the money.

Again those are only guesses.