sujayrao, on 08 May 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:
OUT OF INDIA THEORY IS NOT TENABLE - Acculturation is the key. request mainstream researchers to take up indology in the 21st century. Brining the field uptodate will lead to a revolution in many a field of science
The Demise of the Dravidian, Vedic and Paramunda Indus myths
I am publishing my sixth research paper directly online as it is an extension of my previous papers. Kindly read pages 4 to 18 as it contains a detailed discussion of the term ‘Aryan’. This paper shows why the Dravidian, Vedic and Paramunda Indus theories are not tenable.
www.scribd.com/doc/136268397/The-demise-of-the-Dravidian-Vedic-and-Paramunda-Indus-myths
Methods to reconstruct the languages of the Harappans were presented in the present and previous papers. We hope other scholars take up the exercise of reconstructing the languages of the Indus Valley civilization!
The older papers were written taking the assumptions of the 19th century school of Indology as a base and working backwards. These may appear to be outdated now (at the end of our very long journey). However, the fundamentals are still correct.
Part one
http://www.scribd.co...y-NPAP-Part-One
Part Two very,very important!
www.scribd.com/doc/27105677/Sujay-Npap-Part-Two
(These comprise the complete and comprehensive solution to the Aryan problem)
for those who have trouble reading the papers in Scribd use the links below:
part one
http://www.docstoc.c...y-NPAP-Part-One
part two (very important)
http://www.docstoc.c...Y-NPAP-Part-Two Literacy in pre-Buddhist India (before 600 BC)
Literacy in pre-Buddhist India (before 600 BC)
Please find my collection of papers on literacy in Pre-Buddhist India
Before mature phase of Indus valley civilization (before 2600 BC)
- There are some potters marks but none qualify as full writing
Indus valley civilization (2600 BC to 1900 BC)
1. The reconfirmation and reinforcement of the Indus script thesis (very logical and self explanatory paper)
www.scribd.com/doc/46387240/Sujay-Indus-Script-Final-Version-Final-Final
2. The reintroduction of the lost manuscript hypothesis (the case for this thesis has obviously become much stronger in the recent past)
www.scribd.com/doc/111707419/Sujay-Indus-Reintroducing-Lost-Manuscript-Hypothesis
Post-Harappan India (1600 BC to 600 BC)
1. Literacy in post-Harappan india (obviously literacy in post-Harappan India existed in certain pockets & were limited to very small sections of society- alphabetic scripts were brought from West Asia and the Indus script also continued – this a very logical and self-explanatory paper and anyone can cross-verify the conclusions)
www.scribd.com/doc/127306265/Sujay-Post-Harappan-Literacy-and-origin-of-Brahmi
Sujay Rao Mandavilli
You have an interesting post. Am currently reading the first link.
http://www.scribd.co...nda-Indus-myths
I had a few question regarding the basic premises of your study:
1.
Aryavartta and it's geographical bounds.
2.
Compilation of the Rig Veda took place between 1700 BC and 1500 BC WRT to the term "Arya".
This is used as an argument by you to show that the word "Arya" was coined in Iran. But can you elaborate more on where you stand with the dating of the R.V., it might have been compiled in 1700-1500 BC in written form but the word Arya might have been used in the RV way before as a spoken word i.e Smriti.
3.
You have assumed an IE migration into India and Iran.
Is it possible that there was no such migration?
4.
You state that the R.V. uses Arya to represent multiple peoples and otherwise the term is usually used in a cultural context.
Is it possible that the culture of Arya was well acepted by different peoples in India and Iran and other places as well?
5.
You claim that the term Arya was coined in Iran because the country was named after it.
Wouldn't this be evidence that the term was brought to Iran by Aryas who settled there and named the country so?
6.
You are assuming that the term "Arya" came to India only when R.V. was compiled in written form. This is a very fundamental assumption which can be wrong.
The R.V. shows almost no knowledge of Bricks "ishtaka" and various other metals and practices that were well known in India by 1700 B.C., would it be prudent to still assume that the R.V. originated in 1700 B.C. when it does not mention contemporary items in 1700 B.C.?
7.
You claim that the R.V. talks of Dasas or
Harrappans. Can you provide citations?
As far as i was aware the RV does not know of the IVC.This argument is used to predate the R.V. as compared to the IVC.
8.
You claim Mleccha was a term used for Harrapans in Sanskrit literature. Can you provide citations?
Mleccha meant unclean or polluted.
Brahmins had a stict personel hygeine routine which they followed everyday, Mleccha was an opposite to this i.e people who did not take bath regularly or did not give lot of importance to personel hygeine and a daily curriculum of cultured lifestyle.
Mleccha and Melluha connection?
Harrappans were people who clearly paid attention to personal Hygeine.I don't think Harrappans were reffered to as Mleccha's. It was a more general term for people who did not follow the arya lifestyle of hygeine and cleaniness which was associated with Arya culture.
9.
What is your take on Asura/Ahura and Deva/Daeva?
10.
If not Arya, what culture would you attribute to the IVC? Frawley's paradox.
Expanse of the IVC was huge maybe all the way till turkmenistan and iraq.
Gonur Tepe is an archaeological site in Turkmenistan that was inhabited by Indo-Iranian peoples until sometime in the 2nd millennium BCE dating back to 2500 bc. The site was discovered by Greek-Russian archaeologist Viktor Sarianidi. Sarianidi discovered a palace, a fortified mud-brick enclosure, and temples with fire altars which he believes were dedicated to the Zoroastrian religion. He also found what appears to be the boiler for the ritual drink soma, which is mentioned in the Rigveda and haoma as in the avesta. Sarianidi says he also found dishes with traces of cannabis, poppy and ephedrine. According to Sarianidi, this discovery strengthens the theory that these were the ingredients of soma. The site was most likely abandoned after the Murghab River's course moved to the west. Sarianidi declares it as the 5th oldest civilization on earth not just a culture but a lost civilization.
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Gunar_Tepe
11.
The Rig Veda talks of a battle of Ten Kings and different tribes from different geographical locations. What is your take on this?
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